Good Raphael Vela Wrapup on OL performance against the Bears

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I really enjoyed his analysis on our OL's performance on Sunday. For the most part they all played pretty good.

He particularly cited the big improvement Colombo has made since 06 season. Jerry will have to decide if he wants to want til after 08 season when Colombo a FA or give him a new contract at the end of this season.

Davis is working out well and even Kyle Kosier is doing his job. Same goes for Gurode & Adams despite his penalties. I think as this players get used to working together they will continue to improve. Their size and attitude has already to be shown wearing down opponents as the game goes on. That something we need to take into account against all the teams we face, including the 0-3 Rams and then the Bills. Wonder how Pats defense will react to our OL.
 

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Here's the article.


Fans of the ’90s Cowboys have several memories of dominating offensive line performances, in games and on individual plays. I can recall three off the top of my head: watching Nate Newton and Derek Kennard roll butterball Packers DT Gabe Wilkins in the ‘96 NFC title game; watching Larry Allen beat Simeon Rice into submission in a ‘98 matchup at Texas Stadium and my personal favorite, watching Mark Tuinei blast Bryant Young back into Ken Norton and ride the stack into the end zone in in the ‘95 NFC Championship game.

I had some deja vu watching this year’s line manhandle the Bears Sunday night. We can get carried away with the hyperbole but take some time if you’ve recorded the game and watch how dominant the line was. Flozell Adams was beaten on Dallas’ first offensive play of the night but a very good Mark Anderson never came close to replicating the feat. Adams got very little chip help and kept the left edge clean.

You would think Flozell’s in a salary drive or something, the way he’s playing. He’s faced Osi Umenyioua, Jason Taylor and Anderson the first three weeks and still looks fresh.

RT Marc Colombo was even better on his edge. Did you ever notice Bears left end Adewale Ogunleye or Alex Brown? That’s because Colombo put them under wraps. He’s taken a big step forward from last year.

C Andre Gurode kept the blitzing Bears ILBs at bay. Lance Briggs tried a delayed move in the 2nd quarter and Gurode stuffed him. Later that quarter, he engaged a blitzing Chicago safety. It wasn’t pretty — for the safety.

LG Kyle Kosier was a pregame concern but he had little difficulty with Bears’ Pro Bowler Tommie Harris, who finished the day with one tackle.

If you want to watch some Larry Allen-like brutality, center in on RG Leonard Davis. Bigg lived up to his name. Offensive line play in today’s game, where lineman can fully extend their hands, is based on reach and punchouts. Davis has a stunning punch. On running plays, he drove the Bears’ linemen laterally and into the turf. Darwin Walker was a frequent victim.

The real howlers come on pass plays. Davis helped Colombo late in the second quarter and caught Ogunleye unprepared. The end flew sideways and landed on his shoulder. It’s an examplar of a “decleater.”

Bigg was equally as dominant vs. Harris. Remember all the pearl clutching and salt smelling one of the Metroplex scribes was doing in camp, warning that Davis was “stuggling” pass blocking? Ask Harris if he’s struggling. Davis faced him at least a dozen times and on every occasion save one the result was the same. Harris would charge upfield, Davis would hit him with two fists just below the armpits and Harris would stagger sideways. Harris beat him one time all game, with a rush low and outside, though Tony Romo was able to sidestep Harris’ lunge with ease.

Bigg gets another test Sunday when he faces LaRoi Glover. If he passes, I think we can declare him a success.

Even the tight ends are getting in on the act. Jason Witten’s wham block on Walker pushed the DT backwards and let Marion Barber get a key first down on a Cowboys’ TD drive. When your ancillary blockers are taking on and beating the biggest lineman on the previously baddest D in all the NFC, domination days may be back.

I Hear Crickets

What happened to all the worry about nose tackle? Where did all the doom sayers who ripped the front office for not simply snapping their fingers and finding the next Jamal Williams? Sure, Dallas signed Tank Williams, but he’s still five or six games away. Isn’t the Dallas running defense still vulnerable? I mean, even Bill Parcells thinks so.

Wade Phillips doesn’t. He’s stood by Jay Ratliff and Sunday’s game showed why. Ratliff clogged up the middle. He faced Olin Kreutz, the NFC’s Pro Bowl center and beat him. When Chicago double teamed him, Ratliff showed good technique, dropped low and clogged up his lane.

When the Bears left him one-on-one, Ratliff walked Kreutz into the backfield.

If Jay Ratliff can handle Olin Kreutz, he can beat just about any center in the league. I’ll say it again. Ratliff got a golden opportunity and he’s making the best of it. A few sacks and people will be talking about him as a unique pass rushing nose guard.
 

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Sorry, I forget to include his analysis. I also failed to read Vela's analysis of how well Ratliff is playing. If he can stay healthy the whole year, maybe this will be his job long term once Ferguson is done. Now Tank Johnson could be used to give him some rest along with Remi Ayodele but maybe we've got Marcus Spears replacement on board if he doesn't step it up. Anyway, here goes:

Fans of the ’90s Cowboys have several memories of dominating offensive line performances, in games and on individual plays. I can recall three off the top of my head: watching Nate Newton and Derek Kennard roll butterball Packers DT Gabe Wilkins in the ‘96 NFC title game; watching Larry Allen beat Simeon Rice into submission in a ‘98 matchup at Texas Stadium and my personal favorite, watching Mark Tuinei blast Bryant Young back into Ken Norton and ride the stack into the end zone in in the ‘95 NFC Championship game.

I had some deja vu watching this year’s line manhandle the Bears Sunday night. We can get carried away with the hyperbole but take some time if you’ve recorded the game and watch how dominant the line was. Flozell Adams was beaten on Dallas’ first offensive play of the night but a very good Mark Anderson never came close to replicating the feat. Adams got very little chip help and kept the left edge clean.

You would think Flozell’s in a salary drive or something, the way he’s playing. He’s faced Osi Umenyioua, Jason Taylor and Anderson the first three weeks and still looks fresh.

RT Marc Colombo was even better on his edge. Did you ever notice Bears left end Adewale Ogunleye or Alex Brown? That’s because Colombo put them under wraps. He’s taken a big step forward from last year.

C Andre Gurode kept the blitzing Bears ILBs at bay. Lance Briggs tried a delayed move in the 2nd quarter and Gurode stuffed him. Later that quarter, he engaged a blitzing Chicago safety. It wasn’t pretty — for the safety.

LG Kyle Kosier was a pregame concern but he had little difficulty with Bears’ Pro Bowler Tommie Harris, who finished the day with one tackle.

If you want to watch some Larry Allen-like brutality, center in on RG Leonard Davis. Bigg lived up to his name. Offensive line play in today’s game, where lineman can fully extend their hands, is based on reach and punchouts. Davis has a stunning punch. On running plays, he drove the Bears’ linemen laterally and into the turf. Darwin Walker was a frequent victim.

The real howlers come on pass plays. Davis helped Colombo late in the second quarter and caught Ogunleye unprepared. The end flew sideways and landed on his shoulder. It’s an examplar of a “decleater.”

Bigg was equally as dominant vs. Harris. Remember all the pearl clutching and salt smelling one of the Metroplex scribes was doing in camp, warning that Davis was “stuggling” pass blocking? Ask Harris if he’s struggling. Davis faced him at least a dozen times and on every occasion save one the result was the same. Harris would charge upfield, Davis would hit him with two fists just below the armpits and Harris would stagger sideways. Harris beat him one time all game, with a rush low and outside, though Tony Romo was able to sidestep Harris’ lunge with ease.

Bigg gets another test Sunday when he faces LaRoi Glover. If he passes, I think we can declare him a success.

Even the tight ends are getting in on the act. Jason Witten’s wham block on Walker pushed the DT backwards and let Marion Barber get a key first down on a Cowboys’ TD drive. When your ancillary blockers are taking on and beating the biggest lineman on the previously baddest D in all the NFC, domination days may be back.

I Hear Crickets

What happened to all the worry about nose tackle? Where did all the doom sayers who ripped the front office for not simply snapping their fingers and finding the next Jamal Williams? Sure, Dallas signed Tank Williams, but he’s still five or six games away. Isn’t the Dallas running defense still vulnerable? I mean, even Bill Parcells thinks so.

Wade Phillips doesn’t. He’s stood by Jay Ratliff and Sunday’s game showed why. Ratliff clogged up the middle. He faced Olin Kreutz, the NFC’s Pro Bowl center and beat him. When Chicago double teamed him, Ratliff showed good technique, dropped low and clogged up his lane.

When the Bears left him one-on-one, Ratliff walked Kreutz into the backfield.

If Jay Ratliff can handle Olin Kreutz, he can beat just about any center in the league. I’ll say it again. Ratliff got a golden opportunity and he’s making the best of it. A few sacks and people will be talking about him as a unique pass rushing nose guard.
 

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I was re-watching parts of the game and focusing on the O-line, and man, it's true about Bigg. He really is playing that well. How could the idiot Cardinals take such a dominant, natural guard and put him where he's just average at left tackle?
 

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Chocolate Lab;1672241 said:
How could the idiot Cardinals take such a dominant, natural guard and put him where he's just average at left tackle?

They drafted him No. 2 overall and felt obligated to make him into a left tackle. He was better than average at tackle, but he's much better at guard.
 

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Ratliff is impressive, especially since he's likely playing out of position.

This defense haven't played a good power rushing offense yet. Other than the Commanders (and maybe, by default, the Bills), there isn't one on the schedule.
 

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It is funny watching defense linemen take Bigg's intial punch. Their legs turn to jello and it takes them a second before they solidify again.
 

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InmanRoshi;1672260 said:
It is funny watching defense linemen take Bigg's intial punch. Their legs turn to jello and it takes them a second before they solidify again.
I can't imagine what it must be like to look across the line of scrimmage and to see that enormous freight train of a man preparing to run you over. Geeze!
 

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Chocolate Lab;1672241 said:
I was re-watching parts of the game and focusing on the O-line, and man, it's true about Bigg. He really is playing that well. How could the idiot Cardinals take such a dominant, natural guard and put him where he's just average at left tackle?


I think because of what they were paying him. That is what they drafted him for and that is where he ended up.

And of course Dennis green was the head coach. So mistakes and confused fit right in with him.
 

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Well yeah, I know... The only answer is that they aren't very smart. :D

But it was clear to see that his problem was that his feet weren't quite quick enough to play LT. At guard, he can just maul people. On Barber's last TD run, he trapped across and just mauled Walker. Such a beautiful thing. :)

I wonder if Gurode and Bigg will be the most powerful double-team Wilfork has ever faced... I think I know the answer.

I guess we're just lucky the Skins only wanted to drive the price up for him and not actually sign him. ;)
 

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Chocolate Lab;1672429 said:
Well yeah, I know... The only answer is that they aren't very smart. :D

But it was clear to see that his problem was that his feet weren't quite quick enough to play LT. At guard, he can just maul people. On Barber's last TD run, he trapped across and just mauled Walker. Such a beautiful thing. :)

I wonder if Gurode and Bigg will be the most powerful double-team Wilfork has ever faced... I think I know the answer.

I guess we're just lucky the Skins only wanted to drive the price up for him and not actually sign him. ;)


wilfork might be the best interior player in the league, I am still bitter the pats moved up ahead of us to pick him!

it will be gurodes toughest test yet, he is playing the two gap on first and second down right over the center and he is staying on the field in third down playing a 1 gap lining up between the guard and center.... He is a serious force...
 

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percyhoward;1672225 said:
Here's the article.


Fans of the ’90s Cowboys have several memories of dominating offensive line performances, in games and on individual plays. I can recall three off the top of my head: watching Nate Newton and Derek Kennard roll butterball Packers DT Gabe Wilkins in the ‘96 NFC title game; watching Larry Allen beat Simeon Rice into submission in a ‘98 matchup at Texas Stadium and my personal favorite, watching Mark Tuinei blast Bryant Young back into Ken Norton and ride the stack into the end zone in in the ‘95 NFC Championship game.
The matchup that just seems to epitomize the domination of the line in the early 90's was the Erik Williams domination of Reggie White. Reggie White was a beast and got the better of almost every left tackle he faced except Erik Williams. Erik Williams would completely shut down White every time they played.
 

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Romo's ability to dodge on-coming traffic is unreal.........Bledsoe would have gone down quite a few times.......
 

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DAVIS IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!
AND WE LET EM OFF THE HOOK!
 

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AtlCB;1672655 said:
The matchup that just seems to epitomize the domination of the line in the early 90's was the Erik Williams domination of Reggie White. Reggie White was a beast and got the better of almost every left tackle he faced except Erik Williams. Erik Williams would completely shut down White every time they played.

and then the league stepped in and made the Erik Davis rule...cause wittle bitty weggie was cwying to the weague office...so fagliabue put Big E on lockdown.
 

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AdamJT13;1672256 said:
They drafted him No. 2 overall and felt obligated to make him into a left tackle. He was better than average at tackle, but he's much better at guard.


You're always right, so I suppose I don't have to say this... but that is exactly why they did. :)

They felt like that high pick and big money should go to the most important position along the OL... which is of course LT.

He's just so dominant at G though... seems like Weisenhunt (sp?) would have just spent the money and moved him back to G.

Perhaps he didn't go back a couple of years to look at how well he played G? I don't know.

Personally, I remembered from his rookie season how he dominated and wanted him immediately for Rivera's spot.
 
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