Good statistical company for Schoonmaker

[gimmesix]

Jason Witten caught 34-452-5 in his final season at Tennessee. Schoonmaker caught 35-418-3 his last year. Hopefully, Schoonmaker ends up with anything close to the career that Witten had.

 

[Centex]

So Schoonmaker only scored 60 percent as many touchdowns as Witten

I do wish he wa s younger though.

 

[xwalker]

So Schoonmaker only scored 60 percent as many touchdowns as Witten

I do wish he wa s younger though.

Witten played 1 more game than Schoon.

 

[gtb1943]

This comes under the heading of the most useless thread of the day

 

[Zekeats]

Wow, what a comparison. HOFer just hope he doesn't quit on this team for a shinny new wig

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Receptions Share
Witten: 17.7%
Schoonmaker: 14.7%
YPC
Witten: 12.6
Schoonmaker: 11.9

I couldn't find target share, but Witten was clearly a more integral part of the passing game, and you have to adjust for era. 35 catches meant a heck of a lot more in 2002 than it does now. Schoonmaker's numbers also probably get cut in half, at least, if Erick All didn't get hurt - he had 1 catch in each of the first 3 games.

And not for nothing, but Schoonmaker was pretty invisible against good defenses. He had 2 catches for 47 yards against Penn St., Ohio St. and TCU. Conversely, he had 16 for 129 - nearly half of his production - in two games against Maryland and Indiana.

Schoon will probably be an average TE in the league for a lot of years, but he's not anything special. If not for the weakness of this draft, he's a 5th rounder.

 

[speedkilz88]

Receptions Share
Witten: 17.7%
Schoonmaker: 14.7%
YPC
Witten: 12.6
Schoonmaker: 11.9

I couldn't find target share, but Witten was clearly a more integral part of the passing game, and you have to adjust for era. 35 catches meant a heck of a lot more in 2002 than it does now. Schoonmaker's numbers also probably get cut in half, at least, if Erick All didn't get hurt - he had 1 catch in each of the first 3 games.

And not for nothing, but Schoonmaker was pretty invisible against good defenses. He had 2 catches for 47 yards against Penn St., Ohio St. and TCU. Conversely, he had 16 for 129 - nearly half of his production - in two games against Maryland and Indiana.

Schoon will probably be an average TE in the league for a lot of years, but he's not anything special. If not for the weakness of this draft, he's a 5th rounder.

The different era's don't mean anything. Michigan is a run heavy team that runs a pro attack, not a spread offense everyone is running elsewhere.

 

[morasp]

The other one was Kittle in his senior year at Iowa, 22/314 14.3 average 4 TDs.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The different era's don't mean anything. Michigan is a run heavy team that runs a pro attack, not a spread offense everyone is running elsewhere.

What exactly do you think Tennesee was in 2002? Air raid?

 

[beware_d-ware]

TE college production isn't really correlated with pro success moving forward. It's a lot more of a "measurables" position. And the good thing for Schoon is that he's got those in spades.

 

[gimmesix]

The other one was Kittle in his senior year at Iowa, 22/314 14.3 average 4 TDs.

Just goes to show that it's hard to know. One of the reasons so many players fail. Production is an important component of evaluation, but it certainly doesn't mean everything.

Have no idea how Schoonmaker will turn out (not like some on this board who have it all figured out), but there are plenty of examples of players with so-so production and good athleticism who have turned into top players and players with great production and so-so athleticism who have too. Then, you get the same thing with players who have failed.

 

[morasp]

Just goes to show that it's hard to know. One of the reasons so many players fail. Production is an important component of evaluation, but it certainly doesn't mean everything.

Have no idea how Schoonmaker will turn out (not like some on this board who have it all figured out), but there are plenty of examples of players with so-so production and good athleticism who have turned into top players and players with great production and so-so athleticism who have too. Then, you get the same thing with players who have failed.

The other thing they all have in common is their 40 times which was good for all of them. So maybe we hit on a good one.

 

[Stash]

The other thing they all have in common is their 40 times which was good for all of them. So maybe we hit on a good one.

Let me preface this by saying it’s based strictly on comparable measurables, but several of Schoonmaker’s measurements and times compare favorably to Travis Kelce, the best in the game. They include height, weight, and 40-time.

 

[morasp]

Let me preface this by saying it’s based strictly on comparable measurables, but several of Schoonmaker’s measurements and times compare favorably to Travis Kelce, the best in the game. They include height, weight, and 40-time.

That would be nice.

 

[Stash]

That would be nice.

Anywhere in the same universe would be nice! And maybe help to somehow make up for passing on Kelce in the first place. (I will never forget!)

 

[morasp]

Anywhere in the same universe would be nice! And maybe help to somehow make up for passing on Kelce in the first place. (I will never forget!)

Any predictions for how quickly Schoonmaker develops? I'm hoping his blocking is up to the task early and with Wells working with him his receive is respectable by the end of the season.

 

[Rockport]

This comes under the heading of the most useless thread of the day

Yet here you are.

 

[Stash]

Any predictions for how quickly Schoonmaker develops? I'm hoping his blocking is up to the task early and with Wells working with him his receive is respectable by the end of the season.

In Lunda I trust. He did an amazing job with Ferguson and Hendershot last year, so I have high hopes again this year.

 

[Pass2Run]

This comes under the heading of the most useless thread of the day

It depends on how you look at it. I look at it and see no reason not to be optimistic about Schoon.

 

[timb2]

I don't have a problem with Schoonmaker. Several good things vs other TEs in the draft.

Bigger than most of the top tier.

Ran faster than freak Darnell Washington.

Kincaid- bad back

Mayer- short arms

Musgrave- injury prone.


Schoonmaker will be a solid TE