Good Win

[CowboyRoy]

We won, which is always good! I don't worry about the draft, but we win and our offense sucks which gives me hope that we will get some new offensive staff and maybe a weapon or two. Defense is getting younger and better and will be very good if we keep some keys pieces and add a couple more.
I'm a Homer, I don't ever want to lose.

Oh, I almost forgot...... Garrett Sucks!!!!

How was that a good win? You couldnt get a worse win.

 

[Ranching]

How was that a good win? You couldnt get a worse win.

Every win is good in my opinion. Just my opinion, I'll respect yours.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Every win is good in my opinion. Just my opinion, I'll respect yours.

Yah, you need to have way more foresite then that.

This was about as bad a win as you could ever want. We played horrid, and the win did nothing but drop us 6 slots in the draft. If you consider those factors as a positive for the team then absolutely I do not respect that view.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This was the furthest thing from a "good win". Itaccomplished nothing and only succeeded in hurting draft position and possibly keeping undeserving coaches employed.

Nothing "good" about today.

Its like some of these homers live in la la land.

 

[Rockport]

Yah, you need to have way more foresite then that.

This was about as bad a win as you could ever want. We played horrid, and the win did nothing but drop us 6 slots in the draft. If you consider those factors as a positive for the team then absolutely I do not respect that view.

It didn’t drop them 6 positions in the draft. Quit lying.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I like to win. Sorry

Actually you enjoy losing as it would seem.

 

[Pants]

I will take a win against an NFCE opponent any day of the week; draft be damned....the defense did what they were supposed to do, shut out a hapless, under-staffed offense (check); the offense, however, showed that they are not worth the resources that were put there for them...the coaches didn't use Zeke correctly (again), Dak couldn't throw the ball like an NFL QB (again)....the OC could not do ANYTHING to muster an offense (AGAIN) against a 2nd tier defense....if this were any other team than the Dallas Cowboys, we would ALL be laughing at that,,,,thus, we cry in our drinks....

 

[Ranching]

Actually you enjoy losing as it would seem.

I enjoy seeing idiots take a game so seriously. Lol! Makes my day every time..

 

[stiletto]

The only good thing about the game yesterday was seeing the young players get experience in the secondary. Otherwise it was complete garbage.

 

[Cmac]

If that was a good win......then buckle up for 2018. Smokescreen. Flaws and unresolved issues all over the place.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I enjoy seeing idiots take a game so seriously. Lol! Makes my day every time..

You seem to enjoy being a totally clueless homer as it would seem. LOL

 

[Ranching]

You seem to enjoy being a totally clueless homer as it would seem. LOL

I do. Much happier that way. Why let it wreck my day, I have more important things to worry about. Salud, Happ New Year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I do. Much happier that way. Why let it wreck my day, I have more important things to worry about. Salud, Happ New Year.

thats what I figured. I am to the point where I absolutely hate this franchise. I have more fun rooting against them.

 

[Ranching]

thats what I figured. I am to the point where I absolutely hate this franchise. I have more fun rooting against them.

I feel your pain, been there myself. Just my hatred never overcame my loyalty, so I just decided not to take it to seriously. It's tough on a fan. Don't let it get to you brother, and don't take me too seriously I like to mess around.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I feel your pain, been there myself. Just my hatred never overcame my loyalty, so I just decided not to take it to seriously. It's tough on a fan. Don't let it get to you brother, and don't take me too seriously I like to mess around.

I cant even stand to look at Garrett anymore. Tyron Smith is done. The Oline is falling apart. Loved zeke but he has turned out to be an immature, idiot that quits. Lee is on his way out. Dak seemed to have regressed. What is there to like about this team anymore? They are heading in the wrong direction. The receiving corps is the worst in the NFL.

The only hope was to lose last game and get a higher draft pick and these losers tried everything they could to win a meaningless game. What kind of morons are running this team? And nothing is going to change. I can no longer turn a blind eye. This franchise is the worst in the NFL. The Browns will win a championship before we do.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Competitive drive. Will. A disgust and distaste for losing. Being the best possible in every contest. These are among the measures that separate participants from spectators.

I appreciate the value of a better draft position. I also appreciate the need and drive of coaches and players to win every contest.

The best in today's game, up there in New England, places greater value in the latter. I am sure he can't help himself.

 

[Nightman]

So allow me to ask a question or two.

First off, as projected right now, there are a couple of DTs lurking around 16 in the up coming draft. There is also a DE in the group. Plus an OT. And CB's. And there is someone who falls every year to the middle of the first round with projected top of first talent.

So my questions are these. Do you equate yesterday's win against back-ups to be a better option than a starting NT, DE, OT that might play six to nine years for this team?

So one win is better than a player who possibly could be here in 2023 starting for this team? Perhaps even a pro bowl players, or an All Pro. Sure it could go the opposite way, or there could be someone where Dallas will draft that is a player. But the higher up you are in the first round the closer you are to talent and the meat of the first round.

Now to the story.

It was 1988 and Dallas had nothing at quarterback but Steve Pelluer and a broken Danny White. This team was headed to one of the worst seasons (3-13) since the inaugural season of 1960 when they went 0-11-1. Now understand this franchise did not have one season between 1960 and 1988 where they won less than four games. And that was twice. They won five games twice. We are talking 29 years. And those dismal seasons were within the first five seasons. They did have a six game win season in 1982. So in 29 years, this franchise had a winning record every year but six. And all but one were the first five years of the expansion team.

Now we are in 1988. Dallas has no quarterback. That is The Most Important position on the field. I had been a pretty big player that year in call in shows like Randy Galloway. It was some time in October when I realized there was this kid in UCLA who was exactly what Dallas needed. I brought this up to Galloway and he had no real idea of who Aikman was at that point more than his name. I kept it up calling his show every now and then. Not saying I started a ground swell, but as the year went along, more people started talking about Aikman on his show.

November 13th Dallas hosted Minnesota. I had complimentary tickets for that game from Budweiser. I sty right at the 40 yard line with five of my friends. I wore a Dallas Cowboy ball cap, but was vocally rooting for Minnesota, to the annoyance of people around us. Come half time several people turned and asked me what the hell was going on.

I explained about Aikman.

By the end of the third quarter I had converted a hand full of Cowboy fans. We were a Dallas Cowboy contingency who rooted for Minny because we needed a quarterback.

Come the last weekend of the regular season. Green Bay was mathematically ahead of Dallas for the Aikman pick. They were playing Arizona who was a much better team. Green Bay invited Aikman to that game, because he was their pick if they lost. And they knew they would lose against a better Arizona team.

Dallas was scheduled to play the 9-6 Philadelphia Eagles. That was a sure bet Dallas would lose. But in no way would Dallas get Aikman unless Green Bay beat a better team.

Arizona lost to Green Bay. Bum Bright sold the team to Jerry Jones, who brought in Jimmy Johnson. They picked Troy Aikman and went on and won three Super Bowls.

Troy Aikman
Tony Mandrich
Barry Sanders
Derrick Thomas
Deion Sanders

These were the first five picks that year. Outside of Mandrich, any one of these guys would be a great first over-all pick. But not a franchise quarterback.

Jeff George
Blair Thomas
Cortez Kennedy
Keith McCants
Junior Seau

These were the first five picks the next year. There is no franchise quarterback here. Dallas did pick up Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft the year Aikman was selected.

So how would this franchise have been different if Dallas was stuck with Steve Walsh who they picked up in the supplemental draft the year before, because Jimmy was familiar with him?

The Triplets Walsh, Smith, Irvin - frankly that would have been the twins with a mentally and surely physically challenged brother at QB.

I did not cause Aikman to come to the Cowboys. My rooting against the team to get that pick had no influence. But they did get that pick because of a loss, or maybe several losses that season.

Now tell me please how winning one extra game that year in a 3-13 season would have been a benefit for this franchise in the big scheme of things?

This game is about Super Bowls. I don't give a flying rat's ankle what some of the younger fans here say about gettying to the play-offs, or "you don't understand how tought it is to get to the Super Bowl. 13 and 3 and losing in the first round of the play-offs has significance only if that team comes back stronger the next year.

There is one champion every season. The rest of the franchises failed.

So all the chest beating about this victory, or wanting to lose for a better draft slot is a loser mentality is horse manure. Every quality piece that can be put in place has a trickle down effect on the team and gets you a step closer to the NFC Championship game. Then it is win one and you are in the Dance.

Yesterday's win did not cost this team an Aikman. But it very well could have cost this team a NT that made the front line much better. Or another cornerback, or OT in the event Smith becomes a liability. We don't know.

But what I do know is ten years from now, this board will still be active, and you will not see a post about beating the Eagles in a 9-7 season was the lynchpin to greatness. It really was, for the Cowboys, a loser takes all game.

Sorry, but I sat in the stands for the very first Cowboy game at the Cotton Bowl. Been one since day one. This team should have played every back up for every position they could. Zeke and Dak and Dez and Lee and Hitchins would have been pulled after the first series if I were calling the shots.

But then I don't clap my hands after each play because i got nothing else.

If your guy is there at 16 then make a move up to get him....it may cost one of our 10 Draft picks

But if 4 or 5 of our guys are still there then we saved money by drafting later and may even be able to trade back and more picks

Hypotheticals can be good news too and our drafting has been awesome lately

 

[Nightman]

I cant even stand to look at Garrett anymore. Tyron Smith is done. The Oline is falling apart. Loved zeke but he has turned out to be an immature, idiot that quits. Lee is on his way out. Dak seemed to have regressed. What is there to like about this team anymore? They are heading in the wrong direction. The receiving corps is the worst in the NFL.

The only hope was to lose last game and get a higher draft pick and these losers tried everything they could to win a meaningless game. What kind of morons are running this team? And nothing is going to change. I can no longer turn a blind eye. This franchise is the worst in the NFL. The Browns will win a championship before we do.

Go see a priest and or doc or something and give football a break for awhile

Don't give into the Dark Side

 

[CATCH17]

I have watched every game during the last 42 years. Great, good and bad. I don't get it, why would a fan want to lose to the Eagles for any reason. The city that cheered when Michael Irvin lay on their freaking field and never played again. Some fans come on here and say, I didn't bother to watch or I'm not gonna watch anymore and they expect us to buy their line of crap! To each his own, but I have been around through thick and thin and I never put a bag over my face. I'm a proud fan and I have physically proved it to some in my Wilder days. Today, I mostly get a kick outta reading all the crap that spews out of a lot of us, me including. That said, we're all fans and I respect that! Salud and Happy 2018!!
GARRETT Sucks!!

Because the game means nothing.

It’s the equivalent of the Stephen McGee game but worse.

You can’t even take a moral victory from that. We played awful against the Eagles backups.

 

[trickamsterdam]

Here's a fun exercise

Go through old posts and see who praises the Eagles for playing their starters in last years win over Dallas' backups.

Now see who calls Dallas stupid for doing the same.

We really should have a way to notate these members if we're logged in. Some type of highlighting for their names, so we can remember how utterly childish they are.

But the Eagles lit up Dallas with a rookie quarterback, and their defense was playing against credible back-up Cowboy quarterbacks (in fact, Romo should have been the starter). You could see how the Eagles thought it was a building experience.

The Cowboys were playing with their second-year quarterback, looked disgusting doing it, and were largely playing against an Eagle quarterback in his first game. Not the same thing.