Goodell Extends Pacman's Suspension

[TellerMorrow34]

Pacman might be a thug, but tell me what hurt the NFL more? Jones or the Patriots? Where's Bellicheck's suspension?

What Jones has been accused of is FAR worse. They're not even on the same playing field. Getting caught cheating at a game doesn't even remotely compare to being involved in a shooting that paralyzes a person. It's not even close.

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

No on Vick. They probably will not until he gets out of jail and then Goodell will probably suspend him for a year, at least. At least I remember reading/hearing that this was a very likely scenerio when Vick was being sentenced to his jail time.

As for Goodell being capricious...please. Jones has continued to get into trouble, and arrested, in the exact same types of places, and the same types of situations, that he is suppose to be AVOIDING as part of his suspension and yet he continues to get arrested and in trouble. I don't care if he's ever convicted of anything the guy is an idiot who simply isn't smart enough to realize that you have to STOP BEING STUPID and stop putting himself into these kinds of situations.

He does not deserve any leniancy cause he's a fool.

Vick admitted guilt on several felony counts and is serving jail time. You predict he will be suspended for 1 year. Pacman has not admitted to being or found guilty of anything yet he has been suspended for over a year. I don't think Goodell has the right to deny pacman his livelyhood because Goodell does not like his lifestyle. I don't know the reason he was suspended but I don't think it will be long before pacman decides to file a lawsuit. I am in no way defending him but I think he could state a claim that would survive summary judgment and once that occurs lawsuits are almost always filed. I don't know if you have an opinion about Bellicheck's treatment verses Wade Wilson's treatment but the difference would probably meet the capricious standard. Unless pacman is found guilty of something criminal I think he could win a lawsuit if properly worded. If all or most his arrests occur in the same city he could sue that city and make claims of being arrested on charges w/o merit and that was to prevent him making a living. How many other players does Goodell dictate lifestyle actions to? We live in a litigious society, you can sue anyone for anything, whether or not you will win is another story.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Vick admitted guilt on several felony counts and is serving jail time. You predict he will be suspended for 1 year. Pacman has not admitted to being or found guilty of anything yet he has been suspended for over a year. I don't think Goodell has the right to deny pacman his livelyhood because Goodell does not like his lifestyle. I don't know the reason he was suspended but I don't think it will be long before pacman decides to file a lawsuit. I am in no way defending him but I think he could state a claim that would survive summary judgment and once that occurs lawsuits are almost always filed. I don't know if you have an opinion about Bellicheck's treatment verses Wade Wilson's treatment but the difference would probably meet the capricious standard. Unless pacman is found guilty of something criminal I think he could win a lawsuit if properly worded. If all or most his arrests occur in the same city he could sue that city and make claims of being arrested on charges w/o merit and that was to prevent him making a living. How many other players does Goodell dictate lifestyle actions to? We live in a litigious society, you can sue anyone for anything, whether or not you will win is another story.

The reason for the year suspension is because it's a year suspension added upon the 2 seasons, well 3 when you count this year, that Vick will have already missed cause of his court stuff and then the 18 months he's spending in the pen. So Goodell is basically just adding another year off the field to him, basically putting him out of the NFL for about 4 seasons. Thats a pretty good amount of time for what he did, specially since I think it's highly unlikely that he'll ever do much after he gets out and finally gets back on the field anyway.

He got suspended for a year for repeated violations of the NFL's Player Conduct Policy. When you're off the field you're still a representive of the NFL and your actions, and things you get into, reflect the league. he's been arrested, numerous times, for various night club incidents.

He was told, when he was suspended, to keep his nose clean, basically, and not do more things to continue to get himself into trouble. Instead of doing so he's done the exact opposite. He's been arrested a couple of more times, while suspended, for incidents in night clubs. Thus he's pretty much ignored the fact that he's CONTINUING to involve himself in the same behavior and situations that got him in trouble in the first place.

So, yeah, he deserves to continue to stay suspended as long as it takes for him to stop doing whats getting him suspended.

 

[Nors]

NFL is setting a very dangerous policy of suspending people before legal due process.

 

[skinsscalper]

Vick admitted guilt on several felony counts and is serving jail time. You predict he will be suspended for 1 year. Pacman has not admitted to being or found guilty of anything yet he has been suspended for over a year. I don't think Goodell has the right to deny pacman his livelyhood because Goodell does not like his lifestyle. I don't know the reason he was suspended but I don't think it will be long before pacman decides to file a lawsuit. I am in no way defending him but I think he could state a claim that would survive summary judgment and once that occurs lawsuits are almost always filed. I don't know if you have an opinion about Bellicheck's treatment verses Wade Wilson's treatment but the difference would probably meet the capricious standard. Unless pacman is found guilty of something criminal I think he could win a lawsuit if properly worded. If all or most his arrests occur in the same city he could sue that city and make claims of being arrested on charges w/o merit and that was to prevent him making a living. How many other players does Goodell dictate lifestyle actions to? We live in a litigious society, you can sue anyone for anything, whether or not you will win is another story.

You REALLY ought to do a little research. I'm not going to do it for you but let's just say you might want to look into it before you declare your boy of being completely innocent.

Add to that the fact that Pacman has established a pattern. It seems to involve strip clubs and some type of assault accusation every time. The guy can't possibly be a victim of circumstance that many times without a modicum of involvement. Where there's smoke there's fire. Which would probably explain Jones' propensity to "make it rain".


Is his lifestyle illegal? Maybe some of the stuff he does isn't. The fact remains he was given a set of guidelines to adhere to in order to demonstrate that he's learned a lesson and he's willing to make concessions to get his career back on track. He's ignored them at every turn. No one is stopping PacMan from making a living. Get a job as a strip club bouncer (falls right in line with his **** and violence theme). If he wants to work in the NFL, however, the message has been sent to clean up his act or hit the road. His actions ever since the meeting with Goodell went down seem to indicate he's more interested in the latter.

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

First off pacman is not my boy. I think he is a thug. My point is that I think sooner or later he will file a lawsuit against the nfl. I am not saying he is innocent of anything. I am only saying he has not been found guilty of anything. Unless Goodell prevents all the nfl players from going to strip bars how can he single out pacman? Completely legal actions. Again pacman is not my boy. I think he is a thug, but I also think a lawsuit will be filed. Hell OJ was found not guilty, doesn't mean he was innocent. The judge didn't say well you were found not guilty but I don't like you so I am sending you to jail anyway. There are attorneys everywhere that would be willing to take his case and I believe it will happen. A few years ago some guy won $300 million plus in the lottery. He ran his own business and had never been sued before he won the lottery. After he won there were 400 plus lawsuits filed against him. I guess he had to be guilty of something if 400 lawsuits were filed against him. You state that "The fact remains he was given a set of guidelines to adhere to in order to demonstrate that he's learned a lesson and he's willing to make concessions to get his career back on track." I don't think Goodell or the nfl has the broad authority to compel him to do this until he has been found guilty of criminal actions. Out of curiosity if it is found that Bellicheck has been taping illegally and for 6+ years, yet not guilty of any crime, what should the punishment be?

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

NFL is setting a very dangerous policy of suspending people before legal due process.

Nice job of restating my points in a very few words.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

First off pacman is not my boy. I think he is a thug. My point is that I think sooner or later he will file a lawsuit against the nfl. I am not saying he is innocent of anything. I am only saying he has not been found guilty of anything. Unless Goodell prevents all the nfl players from going to strip bars how can he single out pacman? Completely legal actions. Again pacman is not my boy. I think he is a thug, but I also think a lawsuit will be filed. Hell OJ was found not guilty, doesn't mean he was innocent. The judge didn't say well you were found not guilty but I don't like you so I am sending you to jail anyway. There are attorneys everywhere that would be willing to take his case and I believe it will happen. A few years ago some guy won $300 million plus in the lottery. He ran his own business and had never been sued before he won the lottery. After he won there were 400 plus lawsuits filed against him. I guess he had to be guilty of something if 400 lawsuits were filed against him. You state that "The fact remains he was given a set of guidelines to adhere to in order to demonstrate that he's learned a lesson and he's willing to make concessions to get his career back on track." I don't think Goodell or the nfl has the broad authority to compel him to do this until he has been found guilty of criminal actions. Out of curiosity if it is found that Bellicheck has been taping illegally and for 6+ years, yet not guilty of any crime, what should the punishment be?

The main difference between him and others who go to strip joints, they don't continue to get arrested for assualts, shootings, and the like. If they did then they'd be getting suspended as well.

It's not because he goes to strip clubs it's the trouble he seems to get into, or in some way be involved in, when he does go. Rather he's guilty or not he can't continue to go to these places, with the same people, and put himself into the same situations over and over and over and expect to not get into trouble.

I dont know what the penalty would be for Bill, or how they'd go about that, but again i do not in any way see how cheating in football even remotely falls near the same realm as being in trouble for assualts and shootings.

Pacman's lifestyle, rather they found him guilty or not, is just stupid. He continues to go back to the same types of places and get into the same types of trouble. Even if he's just one very unlucky lad, and people are just picking on him, it's still his own fault for continuing to put himself in the same situations over and over.

 

[skinsscalper]

First off pacman is not my boy. I think he is a thug. My point is that I think sooner or later he will file a lawsuit against the nfl. I am not saying he is innocent of anything. I am only saying he has not been found guilty of anything. Unless Goodell prevents all the nfl players from going to strip bars how can he single out pacman? Completely legal actions. Again pacman is not my boy. I think he is a thug, but I also think a lawsuit will be filed. Hell OJ was found not guilty, doesn't mean he was innocent. The judge didn't say well you were found not guilty but I don't like you so I am sending you to jail anyway. There are attorneys everywhere that would be willing to take his case and I believe it will happen. A few years ago some guy won $300 million plus in the lottery. He ran his own business and had never been sued before he won the lottery. After he won there were 400 plus lawsuits filed against him. I guess he had to be guilty of something if 400 lawsuits were filed against him. You state that "The fact remains he was given a set of guidelines to adhere to in order to demonstrate that he's learned a lesson and he's willing to make concessions to get his career back on track." I don't think Goodell or the nfl has the broad authority to compel him to do this until he has been found guilty of criminal actions. Out of curiosity if it is found that Bellicheck has been taping illegally and for 6+ years, yet not guilty of any crime, what should the punishment be?

OK I get that he's not your boy. I think, though, that the extension of his suspension has a bit to do with the denial that he had done anything illegal in Las Vegas. He has since pleaded guilty of two (I believe) misdemeanors regarding that incident.

Now, I get that they were misdemeanors. Hardly a reason to suspend a guy. But I think that the fact that he was adamant about being completely innocent and a year later pleads guilty (on any level) had a bit to do with why Goodell has extended his vacation.

At the rate he's going he'll roll into some type of trouble that will get him banned again anyway. Wasn't there another strip club allegation just this past January? I don't know what became of it, but it's painfully obvious that this guy just doesn't have any interest in keeping his nose clean. The NFL doesn't need Pacman Jones. Pacman needs the NFL to be considered anything more than your average punk thug. At this point, punk thug seems to be his career choice.

 

[tyke1doe]

Wow. From where I sit, what Pacman was accused of being involved in, the shooting of a man who is now paralyzed, is far worse than what the Patriots have allegedly done. I agree Belicheck deserved at least the same suspension Wade Wilson got. However, if you ask me who has harmed the image of the league more...hands down it is the criminal acts that have been worse.

JMO

 

[Big Dakota]

Mr. Arora, tip for you sir. Tell your client to stay away from strip clubs. Shooting bouncers and choking lady attorneys is only going to exacerebate his ostracism from the NFL.

Too many big words for Pac

 

[tyke1doe]

Just like in most workplaces, convictions aren't necessary for suspensions. NFL has a code of conduct policy, just like most companies. So even if Jones took the NFL to court, I doubt he'd win.

 

[Big Dakota]

Just like in most workplaces, convictions aren't necessary for suspensions. NFL has a code of conduct policy, just like most companies. So even if Jones took the NFL to court, I doubt he'd win.

Which is why he hasn't, that's my guess. There were guys on ESPN(Cossack) that i remember saying he's win in a suite, but he has filed one, HHHMMMMM....

 

[5Stars]

Goodell extends Pacman's suspension

Jones’ fate regarding the add-on of the suspension was apparently sealed when he was in an Atlanta strip club in January. Initially, a woman claimed that Jones punched her in the establishment, but the application for a warrant was withdrawn.

Ouch! I bet that hurt really bad? I got punched in the establishment one time and it hurt like hell!! But, I'm pretty sure my establishment is nothing like her establishment...

Oh, well, PacThug gets what he deserves. Lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas...

 

[RealCowboyfan]

You know Roger Goddell is a pain in the rare behind. Why do he continue to do this to the guy?

I believe roger needs to ask himself some questions like:

Why am I here as the NFL Commisioner?

- I believe he really doesn't help by suspending all african american players. I don't see anything happening to David Kircus who was investigated for assault and felony charges. People please notice he still hasn't suspended him, even though according to Rotoworld.com that he was allowed to work out with several other teams. This really pisses me off. It's like having a slave master to be in charge over the NFL. This sucks. I don't really mean to bring the issue of racism but I persoanally believe it's an issue that is relevant because of the facts that are in place.

For example, I don't believe Odell Thurman going to win his case on the NFL descrimination like he should because the NFL is like the Mob they got their hands in everybody pockets, how so you might ask?, take the Chad Johnson and Roy Williams rule for example, they actually fine the players for celebrating. Okay you might ask what does this have to do with race? Who celebrates and have the most creative celebrations between caucasions and african americans? African Americans of course. Take Terrell Owens pulling out the pen and signing the football, Chad Johnson HOF coat, Terrell Owens get your popcorn ready camera, and many more celebrations that got fined for. Oh nobody fined/or flagged Brandon Jacobs for knocking down the star when he threw the football.

Overall I believe it needs to be a quick change at Commisioner, cause he calls hisself teaching players lesson by suspending them for majority of their whole career and not allowing them to keep themselves in tune with team game plans and it's only African American players he is doing this to. If he did suspend a person of majority instead of minority tell me with a link attach to what you are saying.

Im going on the record to say Roger Goddell is prejudice and needs to be kicked out on his rare end out of the NFL....
Investigation
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/05/21/broncos-receiver-david-kircus-investigated-in-assault/

 

[burmafrd]

I am bored right now so I am willing to waste some time on this.

Pacman has been involved in numerous incidents over the last 3 years. Only expensive lawyers and payoffs to victims has kept him out of jail.
So Nors as regards due process I respond with : OJ Simpson got due process as well.

Playing in the NFL is not a right. Just like driving a car. If you get in enough trouble you might not go to jail but you will lose your license.

The NFL has reasons to worry about publicity about its players and Pacman is the poster boy of thug and trouble. So it is quite reasonable for the NFL to jump on him hard= especially given the troubles the NFL has had.

So to the rest of the whiny idiots crying about pacman= stick a pacifier in your mouth and sit in a corner.

 

[Marty R]

You know Roger Goddell is a pain in the rare behind. Why do he continue to do this to the guy?

I believe roger needs to ask himself some questions like:

Why am I here as the NFL Commisioner?

- I believe he really doesn't help by suspending all african american players. I don't see anything happening to David Kircus who was investigated for assault and felony charges. People please notice he still hasn't suspended him, even though according to Rotoworld.com that he was allowed to work out with several other teams. This really pisses me off. It's like having a slave master to be in charge over the NFL. This sucks. I don't really mean to bring the issue of racism but I persoanally believe it's an issue that is relevant because of the facts that are in place.

For example, I don't believe Odell Thurman going to win his case on the NFL descrimination like he should because the NFL is like the Mob they got their hands in everybody pockets, how so you might ask?, take the Chad Johnson and Roy Williams rule for example, they actually fine the players for celebrating. Okay you might ask what does this have to do with race? Who celebrates and have the most creative celebrations between caucasions and african americans? African Americans of course. Take Terrell Owens pulling out the pen and signing the football, Chad Johnson HOF coat, Terrell Owens get your popcorn ready camera, and many more celebrations that got fined for. Oh nobody fined/or flagged Brandon Jacobs for knocking down the star when he threw the football.

Overall I believe it needs to be a quick change at Commisioner, cause he calls hisself teaching players lesson by suspending them for majority of their whole career and not allowing them to keep themselves in tune with team game plans and it's only African American players he is doing this to. If he did suspend a person of majority instead of minority tell me with a link attach to what you are saying.

Im going on the record to say Roger Goddell is prejudice and needs to be kicked out on his rare end out of the NFL....
Investigation
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/05/21/broncos-receiver-david-kircus-investigated-in-assault/

:squirrel:
ummm ***?!?!?!

You gonna stick by that?

Seriously?

It matters not one wit what color your skin may be, black, white, red, brown, yellow, green, purple or Pristine Pink, if you act like a thug, you should be treated like a thug. If Kircus is found guilty then yes he should be suspended, but to sit there and claim a prejudice by Roger Goodall and how he only suspends African American players is almost comical, in a sad but ironic kind of way. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I am willing to bet that there are MANY more African American players in the NFL than there are any other race or creed. That notwithstanding, I'm quite sure that the commisioners job is more hectic than looking for African American players to suspend....

Roy Williams was warned time and time again about his tackleing style. Warned numerous times and you could even say moreso when the NFL started fining him warned even more before his one game suspension. His pull them down by the collar and fall on their legs schtick got people hurt and the rules committee saw a need to take action therefore the did. THATS why you have the Roy Williams Rule.

Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens were both warned numerous times about their ever increasing activity and the need to squelch it down some, but they both choose to ignore warnings therefore they get fined. I'm quite sure that had Jason Witten or (Heaven Forbid) Jeremy Schocky ever been warned and they subsquently ignored said warning then they would be fined just as much as TO or Chad.

 

[5Stars]

:squirrel:
ummm ***?!?!?!

You gonna stick by that?

Seriously?

:laugh2: :laugh2:

I guess you don't know RealCowboyfan? This is mild compared to some of his stuff...

 

[burmafrd]

yeah, compared to some of his rants that was pretty mellow.

Of course very little of what he says has any basis in the real world.

 

[Seven]

Mr. Arora, tip for you sir. Tell your client to stay away from strip clubs. Shooting bouncers and choking lady attorneys is only going to exacerebate his ostracism from the NFL.

No kidding. The best advice Jones' attorney could give him would be; STOP breakin' the law ***-hole!!!

Not 1 mention of the poor guy in the wheelchair. That should be where Jone's makes his atonement. I can't believe the guy complaining about the duration of the suspension....................the complaint should be about him not coming back at all, if the world was right. Freakin' buttwipe.