Goodell takes step in right direction re: Cheating

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TheCount;1988952 said:
Oh really? Well in that case let's just forget the whole thing and let everyone do what they want.

Everyone does it, so why bother.


Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't try and clean it up. It just cracks me up the people who honestly think that it's been handled improperly because people would be "shocked" if it was found out that the league was full of people who cheat.

My point is that there isn't anyone who regularly watches sports, of any kind, who aren't completely niave who actually believe that any team is completely clear of people who cheat.
 

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Boysboy;1988997 said:
The only difference b/w SMU and Ohio State/Florida/Fl State/Alabama/Michigan/USC, etc, etc is that the former GOT CAUGHT.

Otherwise, it's been going on for many years, and will continue to do so.

If anything, Belichick was actually more stupid than cheating. For one, Goodell warned him in a letter before the season. And two, it WAS the J-E-T-S...was it really necessary?


And against a coach who knows you cheated previously because he was on your team. How dumb is that? :rolleyes: :laugh2:
 

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TheCount;1988896 said:
So when he gets conclusive proof, he promptly destroys it?

Please. If he wants, he can start by giving the Pats a real punishment instead of saying, "We're going to really nail the next guy to the wall!".

Now it just won't seem fair. They wrist-slapped the first guy, and now the rest of the league has to put up with this crap because the world outside of New England thought the punishment was a joke.
You've got to establish guidelines somewhere. Goodell's tenure has been marred by his inability to establish firm punishments for offenses, opting rather to be guided by his personal judgement and whimsy. This at least is a step in the right direction. In hindsight, he should have established clear punishments when he sent the memo out in the offseason - ie "If you're caught filming anymore we do so-and-so", and he would have been fine.

He ***** it up, and he knows it. The only thing you can do from here on out is try and do better.
 

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Bottom Line: *** Goodell's Legacy will get an asterisk too ***

He came in as a no nonsense commish. Then he made some strong, firm decisions on players and coaches.

Spygate happened and he backed off. No more firm hand. Yes the facade of one was there... the stiff fines - but no suspensions.

No matter what he does from this point on. He will get an asterisk.

* The commish who tried to let the Patriots off the hook.
 

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YoMick;1989020 said:
Bottom Line: *** Goodell's Legacy will get an asterisk too ***

He came in as a no nonsense commish. Then he made some strong, firm decisions on players and coaches.

Spygate happened and he backed off. No more firm hand. Yes the facade of one was there... the stiff fines - but no suspensions.

No matter what he does from this point on. He will get an asterisk.

* The commish who tried to let the Patriots off the hook.

So what does Tags get? He's the commish that ignored it like pretty much everything else.
 

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Yeagermeister;1989023 said:
So what does Tags get? He's the commish that ignored it like pretty much everything else.

Tags was never presented with the situation of handling it. Goodell was. My guess is Tags would have let them off the hool too.


Its a little different for Roger.

A memo had just went out.
It was ignored.
Blatant disregard.

If he would have suspended coach he would be looked at in different light IMO.
 

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Yeagermeister;1989023 said:
So what does Tags get? He's the commish that ignored it like pretty much everything else.


He didn't get voted into the HOF. That's pretty much all they can do.
 

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Uh, the issue is that the Patriots cheated...

Imposing stricter regulations for the league in the future has no bearing on this issue, as well as him burning evidence...
 

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It will be questioned, and brought up, about his legacy as commish no matter what he does from here on out. He might be able to soften the thought on the situation, somewhat, if he shows some serious hardlined penalities from now on but people will always point out that he initially was not hard enough on the issue of cheating.
 

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I suspect that Goodell already knows more bad stuff is soon to come out and is just trying to get ahead of the curve.

:cool:
 

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I hope that they also take up the act of calling time outs a second before the kicker kicks the football. I'm sure Wade has cooled down about that since the October game against the Bills, but that still sticks in my craw.
 

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superpunk;1989015 said:
You've got to establish guidelines somewhere. Goodell's tenure has been marred by his inability to establish firm punishments for offenses, opting rather to be guided by his personal judgement and whimsy. This at least is a step in the right direction. In hindsight, he should have established clear punishments when he sent the memo out in the offseason - ie "If you're caught filming anymore we do so-and-so", and he would have been fine.

He ***** it up, and he knows it. The only thing you can do from here on out is try and do better.

I completely agree he needs to set some kind of standardized punishment scale in place. Not just for the players, but also for the people in suits and ties he actually sits and has dinner with.

For a guy that has suspended players for an entire year, at least one for two years, to turn around and suddenly go soft on executives is completely two faced.

TheSkaven;1989104 said:
I hope that they also take up the act of calling time outs a second before the kicker kicks the football. I'm sure Wade has cooled down about that since the October game against the Bills, but that still sticks in my craw.

I don't really see a problem with that in particular, it can work both ways. I'm pretty sure last year there was at least one kicker that missed the kick on the timeout and then hit it afterwards. Kickers should earn their money like everyone else.

I will admit that it's pretty stupid however that a coach can tell a ref to wait right here, I'm going to call a timeout right before he kicks it, and the ref actually does it.
 

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We need to give Roy the earpiece on defense and have Drill Sgt. Hartmann on the sidelines ready to chew him out so that he'll get his butt in gear this season. :D

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Doomsday101;1989186 said:
Too late for what?
a step in the right direction on cheating... though I guess since he went so wrong the first time with the Patriots, any move from there is up
 

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BraveHeartFan;1989095 said:
It will be questioned, and brought up, about his legacy as commish no matter what he does from here on out.

He might be able to soften the thought on the situation, somewhat,

if he shows some serious hardlined penalities from now on but people will always point out that he initially was not hard enough on the issue of cheating.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Yes. How do you law down the law "I AM THE LAWGIVER" then change your philosophy and waffle. People will call it for what it was. He wanted to cover it up and hush-hush it ASAP. Too bad he has to answer for that... too bad for him.



EPL0c0;1989251 said:
a step in the right direction on cheating... though I guess since he went so wrong the first time with the Patriots, any move from there is up

Indeed. But his errors in his decisions are plain to see.

Moving forward.
 

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Arena League seems ahead of NFL on Spygate

The Washington Post says it has acquired a copy of a memo from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell that says he wants simpler rules on cheating that will help avoid future SpyGate scandals. On its web site, the newspaper said the league also will consider making unannounced inspections of locker rooms, press boxes and in-game communications equipment.

Emulating the Arena Football League might be a simpler approach.

In season-opening games last weekend, the AFL allowed teams to have a defensive player wear a wireless communications device in his helmet, like the ones quarterbacks long have worn in the NFL and AFL.

That communications system eliminates the need for defensive coaches to use hand signals -- the action the New England Patriots were found to be filming, against NFL rules, that set off Spygate.

"There's no signal-stealing,'' says Shy Anderson, Chief Operating Officer of the Dallas Desperados and head of the Arena League's competition committee. "It was a matter of making it fair on both sides."

Anderson says the innovation wasn't inspired solely by Spygate. The AFL previously had considered it, but was put off by the expense -- about $25,000 per helmet.

"I was dumbfounded,'' says Anderson, who was an executive for 14 years with telecommunications giant ALLTEL. "I was like, let's just give them a cell phone and get on with it."

The AFL also had incentive to ease defensive communication issues, because coaching staffs work from different locations at each game, depending on the logistics at each stadium.

Anderson says his father-in-law, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, didn't play any role in encouraging him to test the defensive helmet. But Anderson he won't be surprised if the NFL adopts the change, "when they see the ease of doing this."

NFL owners considered making the change last season, but a proposal fell two votes short of passage. That proposal is expected to resurface soon.

One element of the Arena change the NFL is certain to ignore is letting broadcasters hear what's being said during helmet communications. But Anderson says that allows play-by-play announcers to better set the stage for each play, knowing where the offense is going, and what set the defense will use.

"It's a lot more exciting if you know what's going to happen," Anderson says.

One thing the helmet won't do, apparently, is end all hand-gesturing by defensive coaches. In season-opening games, Anderson says, some coaches still were flashing signals the traditional way.

"Old habits die hard, no question about it," Anderson says. "They just talk with their hands."

Posted by Tom Weir at 10:52 AM/ET, March 07, 2008 in NFL | Permalink

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zeromaster;1989313 said:
There's an analogy about a barn door ...


Yeah... how does it go?

Reporter: Roger, how did you get that black eye?
Rober: I walked into the barn door.

:lmao2:
 
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