Goodell Wary of NFLPA* Tactics

[Hostile]

Goodell wary of NFL without a draft, free agency rules

4/21/2011 8:36:12 AM

In a conference call with New York Giants fans on Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell discussed the possibilities for the league if the players are successful in court against the NFL.

Goodell said, "That’s something that’s troubling to me a little bit because in the hearing, some of the lawyers for the players association talk about their vision of what would happen with the NFL and the types of things they would be challenging in court – everything from the draft to free agency rules. I think it would have a tremendously negative impact on the game of football and what everybody loves the game of football for and what has made us successful. I get concerned when I hear how the lawyers want to approach this and how they want to change the game for the players association. I think we have a great game that’s competitive. I think that the balance we have amongst teams is all part of our system. Aspects of those systems are always modified and changed and I’m willing to engage in that. But I think eliminating some of those aspects that I think have made our game — and frankly other sports, they are all part of other sports. The NFL has got an incredibly competitive and attractive game. We’ve got to make sure that we continue to make modifications. We’ve got to make it stronger, not weaken it."

 

[superpunk]

lock them out about it.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I agree. If they get there way there will be just like baseball. They will have elite teams and the rest might as well be farm teams.

 

[Hostile]

lock them out about it.

You've been very comical throughout this. That one missed though.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

What do the players want to change exactly? They were cool withe the original CBA.

Then they made an offer giving back $300M. And they want the rookie wage scale.

 

[speedkilz88]

You've been very comical throughout this. That one missed though.

It doesn't take much to amuse you then.:

 

[RS12]

Goodell wary of NFL without a draft, free agency rules

4/21/2011 8:36:12 AM

In a conference call with New York Giants fans on Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell discussed the possibilities for the league if the players are successful in court against the NFL.

Goodell said, "That’s something that’s troubling to me a little bit because in the hearing, some of the lawyers for the players association talk about their vision of what would happen with the NFL and the types of things they would be challenging in court – everything from the draft to free agency rules. I think it would have a tremendously negative impact on the game of football and what everybody loves the game of football for and what has made us successful. I get concerned when I hear how the lawyers want to approach this and how they want to change the game for the players association. I think we have a great game that’s competitive. I think that the balance we have amongst teams is all part of our system. Aspects of those systems are always modified and changed and I’m willing to engage in that. But I think eliminating some of those aspects that I think have made our game — and frankly other sports, they are all part of other sports. The NFL has got an incredibly competitive and attractive game. We’ve got to make sure that we continue to make modifications. We’ve got to make it stronger, not weaken it."

These are the risks you take when you back out of a deal you already had in place. Some times you need to leave well enough alone.

 

[superpunk]

You've been very comical throughout this. That one missed though.

Write a post about it.

 

[Hostile]

Write a post about it.

I did. You just quoted it. Maybe you aren't awake?

 

[wileedog]

What do the players want to change exactly? They were cool withe the original CBA.

Unless this is Goodell blowing smoke, which is possible or even probable, he sounds like he is saying the lawyers have convinced the players to go for broke - no draft or FA restrictions. You know, slavery stuff.

Of course its a no lose statement for him, if people get mad at the NFLPA* they have the choice of saying nothing or publicly stating they don't really want want they are suing for in court.

 

[BrassCowboy]

What do the players want to change exactly? They were cool withe the original CBA.

Then they made an offer giving back $300M. And they want the rookie wage scale.

are you aware that right now there is no CBA? at present, players are locked out but if it gets overturned, then things like the free agency and salary cap will be no more, so if players like the old CBA they better get to the table and negotiate ANY kind of CBA or football as we knew it will be unlike anything we had before and unlike other sports leagues of any kind

EDIT: I am sure the league will attempt to present some kind of order and status quo, but if one player objects then without a CBA in place, he can find just about any judge to toss FA and salary caps (amongst other things) out the door due to them being in violation of antitrust law. At present, that is exactly what the Brady lawsuit is in fact attempting to do (i am aware that it is a leverage tactic to get the league to try to get a CBA in place, but if the league and players cannot come to an agreement, then a judge will do the damage as requested)

 

[BrassCowboy]

and yes, this would turn it into the haves and have nots because without a salary cap or profit sharing (as they both would be against antitrust law), the top teams could afford the influx of free agents who would no longer be required to meet any time frame to be unrestricted, while all those poor teams might not even be able to afford the players they have now

and yes, this is a risk you take when you take the court route to get what you want rather than mediate in good faith.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I agree. If they get there way there will be just like baseball. They will have elite teams and the rest might as well be farm teams.

The way the NY Mets are playing, they're so bad, they aren't even a farm team..

But if the NFLPA gets what they want in court, the NFL's popularity and revenue will take a serious hit, there wont be any competative balance as there is now, a couple good teams, the rest are there to try to make money, that's it..just like baseball, five or six good teams that have a chance to win a championship, the rest trying to make ends meet and make a profit..

 

[InmanRoshi]

Tagliabue probably said the alarmist nonsense when Reggie White and Freeman McNeil were fighting for free agency for players in courts in the early 90's. Of course, the game has done nothing but explode ever since the players got it. Give all 32 teams a chance to bid on the services of Peyton Manning's services this offseason in free agency would gin up a lot more interest in the sport than making it so that he can never, ever leave the Colts.

And there's a lot more parody in baseball than people give it credit for, and a lot less parody in football than people give it credit for. In the last 10 years, baseball has seen more different teams win a World Series than the NFL has seen Superbowl winners. The NFL is more split between the "have and have nots" than baseball can ever dream up, because football is split between the 6-8 franchises than "have" franchise QBs and the 22 teams that don't. The 22 teams that don't will not have a chance in hell of winning a Superbowl next year. The Patriots have won more Championships than the Red Sox have in the last 10 years, and the Steelers have won more Championships in the last 10 years than the Yankees have (and this is supposed to be the era of "parody era" in the NFL, getting away from the "dynasty era" of the 70's, 80's and 90's). But somehow Brady/Manning/Brees are asking for more than they're worth.

 

[arglebargle]

Negotiation. Two sides take outlandish positions so that they can give up parts to eventually meet somewhere in the middle.


Remember 18 game season? Etc?

The problem with having legal types running things is that they think that a judicial solution is a perfectly reasonable way to do things instead of the court of last resort.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The way the NY Mets are playing, they're so bad, they aren't even a farm team..

But if the NFLPA gets what they want in court, the NFL's popularity and revenue will take a serious hit, there wont be any competative balance as there is now, a couple good teams, the rest are there to try to make money, that's it..just like baseball, five or six good teams that have a chance to win a championship, the rest trying to make ends meet and make a profit..

Why did the sport explode when the NFLPA 'won' back in 1989 and again in '2006?' Under your notion, the league would have folded in the subsequent 22 years?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Why did the sport explode when the NFLPA 'won' back in 1989 and again in '2006?' Under your notion, the league would have folded in the subsequent 22 years?

Because new CBAs went in place to provide the basis for their growth. What the lawyers are talking about here is how bad they can threaten to make the NFL look like if players nveer have a players union again, with no CBA.

 

[adbutcher]

Tagliabue probably said the alarmist nonsense when Reggie White and Freeman McNeil were fighting for free agency for players in courts in the early 90's. Of course, the game has done nothing but explode ever since the players got it. Give all 32 teams a chance to bid on the services of Peyton Manning's services this offseason in free agency would gin up a lot more interest in the sport than making it so that he can never, ever leave the Colts.

And there's a lot more parody in baseball than people give it credit for, and a lot less parody in football than people give it credit for. In the last 10 years, baseball has seen more different teams win a World Series than the NFL has seen Superbowl winners. The NFL is more split between the "have and have nots" than baseball can ever dream up, because football is split between the 6-8 franchises than "have" franchise QBs and the 22 teams that don't. The 22 teams that don't will not have a chance in hell of winning a Superbowl next year. The Patriots have won more Championships than the Red Sox have in the last 10 years, and the Steelers have won more Championships in the last 10 years than the Yankees have (and this is supposed to be the era of "parody era" in the NFL, getting away from the "dynasty era" of the 70's, 80's and 90's). But somehow Brady/Manning/Brees are asking for more than they're worth.

I don't care how many facts you spew, I ain't listening.

If you cannot afford to lose then don't play the game. The owners knew they were going to win, until the law of the land got in the way. Poor owners.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because new CBAs went in place to provide the basis for their growth. What the lawyers are talking about here is how bad they can threaten to make the NFL look like if players nveer have a players union again, with no CBA.

Sure and the chances of that happening are just about nil.

Lets say the players win the case and the court (rightfully so) says that without the mutual consent of both parties in the form of a CBA, you cannot have a draft, cap, RFA, Franchise tags or the like.

What do you think will happen?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

There are stooges....and there is Roger Goodell. Uber stooge.







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