Goodell's new player conduct policy might include lifetime bans

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Upshaw: Henry, Pacman not facing lifetime bansESPN.com news services


NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's to-be-unveiled player conduct policy might allow him to issue lifetime bans for players involved in serious criminal activity, according to a published report.

NFL Players' Association executive director Gene Upshaw, who was briefed on Goodell's policy, told The Washington Post, however, that Adam "Pacman" Jones and Chris Henry are not facing lifetime punishments. Jones and Henry met with the commissioner Tuesday in New York.

"None of these cases we're talking about will be a permanent ban," Upshaw told The Post in a telephone interview. "I don't think we're at that point yet with these cases. We understand there will be some type of suspension, but not that."

Upshaw and six players met with Goodell on Tuesday. The commissioner briefed the panel on several issues, including the conduct policy, but Upshaw told The Post that Goodell didn't brief the panel specifically on Jones' or Henry's situations. Upshaw and the players left before Goodell's meetings with Henry and Jones.

Upshaw told The Post that under the new policy, a first-time offender would have to undergo counseling and be placed on probation and might be fined. A second-time offender might face suspension if his infraction was considered severe.

"One thing was clear: Once a player has gotten himself into this fix, it's going to be up to him to get himself out," Upshaw told The Post.

Goodell has said he will announce his decision on suspensions or other disciplinary action for Jones and Henry before the draft on April 28 and perhaps in the next 10 days.

The NFL had no comment and lawyers for the players had no immediate response. The meeting with the players was held away from the NFL offices where six television cameras stationed themselves with no one to interview.

The Titans could not add much either Tuesday night.

"We have not heard anything from the NFL office," Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt said.

Henry is one of nine Bengals who were arrested last season, leading to calls for a crackdown on player behavior. But Jones has become the focus for Goodell, who took over as commissioner in September and has been preoccupied by the issue almost from the start of his tenure.

"It went pretty good, to have the chance to meet the commissioner face to face," Henry told The Cincinnati Enquirer. "I just wanted to explain my situation to the commissioner and move on. I told him I was learning from my mistakes and how to handle myself in a better manner."

Since being drafted in April 2005, Jones has been arrested five times and questioned by police in 10 episodes. Last week, Las Vegas police recommended he be charged with a felony and two misdemeanors for his role in a Feb. 19 strip club fight that led to a triple shooting.

His lawyer, Manny Arora, did not return calls or e-mails from The Associated Press. However, he told the Nashville Tennessean on Monday: "I fully expect him to be part of that team when the season kicks off in September.

However, Jones' former agent, Gary Wichard, told AP that he thinks Goodell could be hard on Jones. "In the commissioner's mind, he's trying to make a statement because the league needs this," Wichard said.

That seems to be the general consensus around the NFL -- that the problems have gone too far. Henry, Jones' teammate at West Virginia, was suspended by Goodell for two games last season and could face more discipline after serving two days in a Kentucky jail for letting minors drink in a hotel room he had rented.

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i think at some point you have to consider a lifetime ban depending on the offense. i think everyone believes in a 2nd chance but some of these guys need a real reality check
 

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HENRY STILL DOESN'T GET IT
Poor Chris Henry. He has supreme God-given physical skills. But he has the mental and emotional intelligence of a fruit fly.

On the same day that Henry appeared in New York for a hearing with the Commissioner of the National Football League, who will soon determine the number of games that Henry will miss in 2007 for his latest guilty plea, Henry still fails to appreciate the connection between his behavior and the consequences that arise from it.

Michael David Smith of AOL's FanHouse writes about an NFLN phone interview of Henry, which occurred after Henry met with Roger Goodell. Asked by Rich Eisen what Henry thinks about fans who have concerns based on his history of off-field troubles, Henry said: "They're really not true fans, I guess."

Maybe he has a point. (Albeit completely unintentional.) "Fan" is short for "fanatic." And a true fanatic would be blind, we suppose, to any amount of bad stuff in which the object of the fanaticism might engage.

Still, Tuesday should have been a day of humility for Henry. Even though the hearing was over, Henry needed to convince everyone (including Goodell) that he has changed.

Henry's stridence while talkin with Eisen tells us that anything Henry might have said when meeting with Goodell was what Henry thought Goodell wanted to hear.

Then again, there's a chance that Henry had the same attitude during his visit to the principal's office. If so, Henry might want to start considering his options north of the border.
 

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To me, the "lifetime ban" option is just for media purposes. Guys get a lifetime ban if they are involved in "serious criminal activity." Is that necessary? Serious criminal activity like Rae Carruth? Mo Clarett? Laurence Phillips?

Do you really need a lifetime ban for a player like that? They are in jail. Who needs a lifetime ban on top of that?
 

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considering how little time so many serious felons serve, its not unusual for crimes outside of murder and child molestation to serve maybe 2-3 years at best. So a moron at 23 serves 3 years and is 26- and someone like Pacman with a lot of physical talent would probably find a team willing to take a chance. So THAT is why a lifetime ban is a good thing.
 

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burmafrd;1445881 said:
considering how little time so many serious felons serve, its not unusual for crimes outside of murder and child molestation to serve maybe 2-3 years at best. So a moron at 23 serves 3 years and is 26- and someone like Pacman with a lot of physical talent would probably find a team willing to take a chance. So THAT is why a lifetime ban is a good thing.

So what "serious" crimes are we talking about then?

A guy who is out of the league for 3 years simply isn't going to get much interest when he's out of jail. Especially if he has to abide by various parole restrictions that limit his availability to the team.
 

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I think the NFL should be tough and I support a tougher policy. One thing I would like to see that I think would help players who are suspended and that is do away with the rule that prevents them from being around the team while under suspension. I think teammates serve as a great support group and keeping the suspended player away I think is a mistake
 

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Doomsday101;1445895 said:
One thing I would like to see that I think would help players who are suspended and that is do away with the rule that prevents them from being around the team while under suspension. I think teammates serve as a great support group and keeping the suspended player away I think is a mistake

That's a good idea -- this would be somewhat similar to the drug policy wherein the focus is more on treatment over punishment. Clearly there should be penalties (again, I think the lifetime deal is more for show than anything else) but the league should take a role in making a positive change.
 

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Why should the league care about a felon? Frankly, anyone STUPID enough to mess up a job that will get them millions of dollars, fame and all the women they want should be banned for lifetime.
 

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What kind of a message is this: Screw up bad enough ONE time and you lose a year. Do it again and its for lifetime. Now THAT just might penetrate a few thick skulls. ONE major screw up and its a year. TWO means you never play again.
 

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Roughneck;1445813 said:
Upshaw: Henry, Pacman not facing lifetime bansESPN.com news services


NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's to-be-unveiled player conduct policy might allow him to issue lifetime bans for players involved in serious criminal activity, according to a published report.

NFL Players' Association executive director Gene Upshaw, who was briefed on Goodell's policy, told The Washington Post, however, that Adam "Pacman" Jones and Chris Henry are not facing lifetime punishments. Jones and Henry met with the commissioner Tuesday in New York.

"None of these cases we're talking about will be a permanent ban," Upshaw told The Post in a telephone interview. "I don't think we're at that point yet with these cases. We understand there will be some type of suspension, but not that."

Upshaw and six players met with Goodell on Tuesday. The commissioner briefed the panel on several issues, including the conduct policy, but Upshaw told The Post that Goodell didn't brief the panel specifically on Jones' or Henry's situations. Upshaw and the players left before Goodell's meetings with Henry and Jones.

Upshaw told The Post that under the new policy, a first-time offender would have to undergo counseling and be placed on probation and might be fined. A second-time offender might face suspension if his infraction was considered severe.

"One thing was clear: Once a player has gotten himself into this fix, it's going to be up to him to get himself out," Upshaw told The Post.

Goodell has said he will announce his decision on suspensions or other disciplinary action for Jones and Henry before the draft on April 28 and perhaps in the next 10 days.

The NFL had no comment and lawyers for the players had no immediate response. The meeting with the players was held away from the NFL offices where six television cameras stationed themselves with no one to interview.

The Titans could not add much either Tuesday night.

"We have not heard anything from the NFL office," Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt said.

Henry is one of nine Bengals who were arrested last season, leading to calls for a crackdown on player behavior. But Jones has become the focus for Goodell, who took over as commissioner in September and has been preoccupied by the issue almost from the start of his tenure.

"It went pretty good, to have the chance to meet the commissioner face to face," Henry told The Cincinnati Enquirer. "I just wanted to explain my situation to the commissioner and move on. I told him I was learning from my mistakes and how to handle myself in a better manner."

Since being drafted in April 2005, Jones has been arrested five times and questioned by police in 10 episodes. Last week, Las Vegas police recommended he be charged with a felony and two misdemeanors for his role in a Feb. 19 strip club fight that led to a triple shooting.

His lawyer, Manny Arora, did not return calls or e-mails from The Associated Press. However, he told the Nashville Tennessean on Monday: "I fully expect him to be part of that team when the season kicks off in September.

However, Jones' former agent, Gary Wichard, told AP that he thinks Goodell could be hard on Jones. "In the commissioner's mind, he's trying to make a statement because the league needs this," Wichard said.

That seems to be the general consensus around the NFL -- that the problems have gone too far. Henry, Jones' teammate at West Virginia, was suspended by Goodell for two games last season and could face more discipline after serving two days in a Kentucky jail for letting minors drink in a hotel room he had rented.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2825096

Wow. If Pacman is not under consideration for a lifetime ban, I wonder what chronic offenders must do to get one.

Oh, I know . . . wear an unauthorized name brand on the uniform. Yeah, that's it.



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burmafrd;1445923 said:
What kind of a message is this: Screw up bad enough ONE time and you lose a year. Do it again and its for lifetime. Now THAT just might penetrate a few thick skulls. ONE major screw up and its a year. TWO means you never play again.

Again, the "lifetime" ban is BS. Players will be eligible for re-instatement, etc. It is just showboating that will have no practical effect.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1445925 said:
Wow. If Pacman is not under consideration for a lifetime ban, I wonder what chronic offenders must do to get one.

Oh, I know . . . wear an unauthorized name brand on the uniform. Yeah, that's it.



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I think the reason is the Pacman is already in trouble if a new rule takes place it will start from that point on
 

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abersonc;1445971 said:
Again, the "lifetime" ban is BS. Players will be eligible for re-instatement, etc. It is just showboating that will have no practical effect.

Not if the NFL means what they say. There is not constitutional right that person has to play pro football and the league has a right to implement rules of conduct like any other business. Right now the current system has not stopped anything and the same guys continue to get in trouble. Unless the league gets serious that is the only way things will change. It all comes down to the individual player personal choice of how and what they do
 

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you must remember that abersonc thinks he is a lawyer and you know how lawyers are- NOTHING is ever what it sounds like; NO ONE means what they say- and EVERYTHING is negotiable.
 

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burmafrd;1446105 said:
you must remember that abersonc thinks he is a lawyer and you know how lawyers are- NOTHING is ever what it sounds like; NO ONE means what they say- and EVERYTHING is negotiable.

Oh so you know what I think now?

Why don't you stick to telling us how much you love Gurode.
 

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If an active player did what many think O.J. did, or pulled a Ray Carruth, a lifetime ban makes sense.

So I'd go lifetime with murder and particularly violent crimes. Also for proven attempts to throw games.

Steriods, drug use, DUIs, ... give them progressively more time off per offense.

I guess I think that most people who make mistakes should receive multiple opportunities to get their acts together. Sometimes it takes a few "bottoms" before a cure takes. Sometime people have to "practice" being better before they get better (for good).
 

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ZeroClub;1446127 said:
If an active player did what many think O.J. did, or pulled a Ray Carruth, a lifetime ban makes sense.

Again, banning a Rae Carruth would be pure publicity. He's in jail and staying there for a long while.
 

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abersonc;1445971 said:
Again, the "lifetime" ban is BS. Players will be eligible for re-instatement, etc. It is just showboating that will have no practical effect.
Well, I think it depends on how liberally these lifetime bans are handed out.

If the lifetime bans are handed out for multiple DUIs or failed drugs tests (for cannabis), you are right. Those sorts of lifetime bans will be appealed and players providing reasonable evidence of having changed their ways (after some period of time) will be reinstated.

If the lifetime bans are reserved for something more (e.g., multiple felony assaults, throwing games), it would be unlikely for the bans to be overturned.
 

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ZeroClub;1446141 said:
If the lifetime bans are handed out for multiple DUIs or failed drugs tests (for cannabis), you are right. Those sorts of lifetime bans will be appealed and players providing reasonable evidence of having changed their ways (after some period of time) will be reinstated.

If you can be reinstated from a lifetime ban then it is just for show.
 
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