Goose Gosselin was just on with Norm

[Randy White]

was just on with Norm. Had a couple of interesting things to say regarding the Cowboys and his usual criticism that most folks know by now.

However, he keeps repeating something over and over again that's just not feasible in today's NFL:

" Cowboys should draft a QB every year and, like Ron Wolff did in Green Bay, if he doesn't work out, trade him for picks ".

That strategy was used primarely in the 90's, and it started to go away in the early '00's, nearly 10 years ago. In the LAST CBA contract, which I believe it was signed in 2002 ( although I might be wrong ) it became difficult ( not impossible ) to develop a QBs as bargaining chips because players became unrestricted free agents after a 5th year of service time. Teams, though, still had some control over players that made it easier to do that, but it wasn't as simple as when Ron did it in Green Bay. Still, they had a little bit of time to showcase the player and allow his stock to rise.

Jump to the CURRENT CBA contract and anybody would see that it's now nearly impossible for it to work. Players, under the current system, become unrestricted free agents after FOUR years. That means two things:

a) teams would have to make a decision to either pay the player ( either through a big contract or a tag ) to keep him after his 4th season, or lose him altogether

b) teams have 2 years ( including his rookie season ) to develop a player and 1 year to showcase him to the rest of the league.

You're the headcoach of the Dallas Cowboys. You have Tony Romo as your starter and the team just signed Kyle Orton to a 3 year contract to back up TR.

Questions:

Where are you going to find the snaps in practice during camp, pre-season, and regular season to develop a QB the way a QB should be developed ?

Or even develop him to the point where other teams get interested enough to make you an offer for him after just 3 years in the NFL ?

Where are you going to find the snaps in the regular season for that QB to get at least some experience to enhance his value ?

I'm waiting for the day that Norm, or anybody, would just simply point those pesky details to him.

 

[MacArthur]

I have a ton of respect for Goose, but I don't agree with him. I just don't think you use a premium pick on a QB, just because you have a rule that you have to draft a QB every year. I do think you should draft one fairly frequently.

While Wolf has had success with this, if it were as simple as just taking a QB every year, everyone would do it. It sounds great, on the surface, but there's a lot more to it.

 

[DBOY3141]

I think 3 or 4 years from now, most successful teams will be made up of FA's. The build through the draft is slowly going away.

 

[perrykemp]

I have a ton of respect for Goose, but I don't agree with him. I just don't think you use a premium pick on a QB, just because you have a rule that you have to draft a QB every year. I do think you should draft one fairly frequently.

While Wolf has had success with this, if it were as simple as just taking a QB every year, everyone would do it. It sounds great, on the surface, but there's a lot more to it.

The Packers have had a lot of success developing backup QBs who started for other teams (Brunell, Hasselback, Aaron Brooks, now Flynn) doing this over the last 20 years, HOWEVER, it's gotten harder under the current CBA to get value for those up-and-coming backups QBs. The Packers got nothing for Matt Flynn because they couldn't safely carry the franchise cap figure for any amount of time -- even it meant just a few weeks until they traded him for draft picks.

 

[perrykemp]

I think 3 or 4 years from now, most successful teams will be made up of FA's. The build through the draft is slowly going away.

I disagree. The system and overwhelming tilted towards the draft being the primary driver for success in the NFL.

If a team drafts well they realize all sorts of benefits -- 1st and foremost they have quality players under contract for their 1st four years and relatively (compare to FA) low prices.

 

[SDCowboy]

" Cowboys should draft a QB every year and, like Ron Wolff did in Green Bay, if he doesn't work out, trade him for picks ".

Right out of the gate he doens't know what he's talking about. Teams like the Packers and Pats draft QBs and when they DO work out (assuming you already have a franchise QB), they get traded for picks. You cran't trade an QB that doesn't work out.

 

[CashMan]

Right out of the gate he doens't know what he's talking about. Teams like the Packers and Pats draft QBs and when they DO work out, they get traded for picks. You cran't trade an QB that doesn't work out.

I think you are misinterpreting what he is saying. I think what he is saying, if it doesnt work out, as in he is not your starting QB, then you trade him. Not, if he sucks just trade him for picks.

 

[Randy White]

Right out of the gate he doens't know what he's talking about. Teams like the Packers and Pats draft QBs and when they DO work out (assuming you already have a franchise QB), they get traded for picks. You cran't trade an QB that doesn't work out.

Another good point, although in the interest of fairness, he said " if he doesn't work out for you ", which is reasonable. Qbs might fit in one system better over another.

Still, just think about this for a moment: If you're a team looking for a QB, why in heavens would you give up premium picks for a guy who's been in the league 3 years and has barely seen the field, if at all ? Might as well spend that pick on a college QB who you can develop yourself.

Point is that if you're going to draft a QB for developing, then do so, develop him properly AND then keep him. Otherwise, all you're doing is creating more Matt Flynns.

 

[CATCH17]

Goose, like Mickey, just needs to keep his opinions to himself and tell us what teams are thinking.

 

[CashMan]

Still, just think about this for a moment: If you're a team looking for a QB, why in heavens would you give up premium picks for a guy who's been in the league 3 years and has barely seen the field, if at all ? Might as well spend that pick on a college QB who you can develop yourself.

Point is that if you're going to draft a QB for developing, then do so, develop him properly AND then keep him. Otherwise, all you're doing is creating more Matt Flynns.

The QB would be ahead of the curve, hopefully.

We do not know if Flynn can be a full time starter, he wasn't traded, and did not sign a crazy deal. Someone to look at who has failed, is Cassel, someone who has succeeded is Schaub.

 

[DFWJC]

I respect Goose for one thing and one thing only--that is his abiltiy to ask the right people around the league who they plan to draft and then accurately put in in his final mock draft each year.
He's great at that.

Whenever he uses his own brain to comment on football...well, I'm often very unimpressed.

 

[noshame]

He's absolutly correct, he's talking about spending a low round pick on a QB. Lord knows we do such a excellent job in the later rounds we couldn't afford to spend one on a QB.

I believe Jason could evaluate a QB, better than most scouts. Every year there are good potential QBs who were in the wrong system, find them.

 

[Doomsday101]

Looking at the QB's GB drafted Hasslebeck a 6th rd draft choice and Rodger a 2nd in large part because Favre was getting up in age. After Rodgers took over GB went out and got Brian Brohm in the 2nd and Flynn a 7th rd pick. It has not been a case where GB has gone over top QB with the exception of Rodgers but again much had to do with having a replacement for Brett.

Brohm was not not traded but out right cut and is now playing in the UFL

I think Dallas should be looking for a QB in the near future for the sole purpose to groom behind Romo. As for drafting a QB every year that is a load, hell GB last drafted a QB in 2008 and have not drafted a QB every year

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well with the draft coming up in a few days instead of brining up some new info I suppose beating another old dead horse like QB leadership and drafting them every year should be brought up again. Goose sucks.

 

[MacArthur]

He's absolutly correct, he's talking about spending a low round pick on a QB. Lord knows we do such a excellent job in the later rounds we couldn't afford to spend one on a QB.

I believe Jason could evaluate a QB, better than most scouts. Every year there are good potential QBs who were in the wrong system, find them.

What do you consider a low round pick?

 

[DFWJC]

Looking at the QB's GB drafted Hasslebeck a 6th rd draft choice and Rodger a 2nd in large part because Favre was getting up in age. After Rodgers took over GB went out and got Brian Brohm in the 2nd and Flynn a 7th rd pick. It has not been a case where GB has gone over top QB with the exception of Rodgers but again much had to do with having a replacement for Brett.

Brohm was not not traded but out right cut and is now playing in the UFL

I think Dallas should be looking for a QB in the near future for the sole purpose to groom behind Romo. As for drafting a QB every year that is a load, hell GB last drafted a QB in 2008 and have not drafted a QB every year

This.

You have to look at in context.
Also, as you said, the main comment that they pick a QB very season...well that is not even close to true either.

 

[Doomsday101]

This.

You have to look at in context.
Also, as you said, the main comment that they pick a QB very season...well that is not even close to true either.

True, Goose exaggerates but I guess he has to do that to get readers

 

[MapleLeaf]

...need and opportunity converge.

If that is a QB then so be it.

Picking a QB consistently in the later rounds may be a strategy other teams are using, but you need to make sure you don't feel there is another player who is a better prospect than the QB before you automatically pick from the QB litter pile.

If Goose was really thinking about the ultimate value proposition he should be promoting the platform Dallas used to get Romo.

No picks are needed. Just two Cokes and a Ham Sandwich lunch with Sean Payton.

 

[Mash]

NE was praised for drafting a QB Mallett (sp?) last year in the 3rd round...signed a 4 yr contract.

He may never play with Brady there....In 3 yrs....he is a FA

I guess there are suckers like Arizona throwing players away to get a backup QB from a team like the Eagles.....but I assume GM's are getting smarter

With the new CBA...hard to develope a QB.

 

[Doomsday101]

...need and opportunity converge.

If that is a QB then so be it.

Picking a QB consistently in the later rounds may be a strategy other teams are using, but you need to make sure you don't feel there is another player who is a better prospect than the QB before you automatically pick from the QB litter pile.

If Goose was really thinking about the ultimate value proposition he should be promoting the platform Dallas used to get Romo.

No picks are needed. Just two Cokes and a Ham Sandwich lunch with Sean Payton.

Frankly not much difference between a late rd pick for a QB and an UDFA.