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I know you’re not a fan of trading down. Do you ever make exceptions, and could you understand it if the Cowboys did it this year?

I made some call over the weekends and there are 6 blue chippers and 22 first rounder caliber guys in this draft. So I don’t mind don’t mind trading down a couple of spots from 14 to 18, but I don’t drop back all the way back to 25. The problem is there isn’t a difference between the 25th, 35th and 45th pick in this draft. There’s not going to be a whole lot of trading up or down after 20. I think need will come into play. You know, I thought this would be a better pass rush group, but they all have a ding.

Well, let’s go over some of the DL and you tell me their ding…. Poe?
Underachiever. 2nd Team Conference USA

Coples ?
Motor doesn’t always run. Julius Peppers ability, but doesn’t always show on the field.

Brockers?
5.0+ 40 yard dash, and strictly a run player. He might be a dominating run player, but you won’t get pass rush from him. I’m also worried about LSU defensive linemen. Dorsey and Jackson have been underachievers.

Cox?
The first DL to go. He’ll be gone by 10 or 11. He won’t be there for the Cowboys.

Will Decastro be gone when the Cowboys pick?
He’ll probably be there. I think he’ll be a consideration. From 10 to 20 there will be teams looking to draft for need, and if there isn’t a player on the board who fills their need Kuechly, Barron, and DeCastro will be the fall back players. They’re walk on starters who could be in the Pro Bowl in 3 years, but they just play non premium positions.

Will it be hard to trade down at 14 since there are a lot of players bunched together there?
Yeah, I don’t think there will be a whole lot of activity for that reason. Coples might be there at 18, so why trade up to 8 for him? The movement will be for Tannehill because he’s going in the Top 10. A team might try to jump ahead of Miami. I don’t see anyone trading up for Barron or DeCastro, maybe for Kuechly because he’s the safest player in the draft. In most drafts I’ve done I see 8 or 9 blue chippers, but I don’t have that in this draft.

Do you believe in Tannehill?
I believe in the need for the position. Look at Locker and Ponder last year. He would be a great guy to draft behind Favre and groom him for a couple of years. He’s not ready to play right away. He’s like Gabbert, who wasn’t ready to play last year. If you draft him and develop him for a couple of years, he could be fine. But if you draft him Top 10 and want him to play him right away, I don’t think you’re going to like what you see.

Is there anything you can look at and suggest the Cowboys should reconsider in the way they approach the draft?

I think the problem they have is when Jerry reaches. I thnk Ciskowski and his staff put up a board that is competitive with any other board in the NFL. When they get in trouble is when Jerry reaches for Quincy Carter. Felix Jones was ranked below other RBs on their board, but Jerry wanted him.

They drafted Jones to be a compliment player. Why are they drafting compliment players in the 1st round?
I think they were banking on Julius Jones being “the guy”. 1996 and 2009 I remember when Jerry said he went to the draft looking to draft backups and special teams guys. You don’t draft special teams guys. They might end up as backups and special teams guys because they’re not ready to start right away, but you don’t specifically look for them. I’ve seen the Cowboys do that twice. That’s why I’m not a fan of this particular team trading down. Jimmy might have had a feel for where to get certain players, but nowadays it seems the Cowboys trade down just for the sake of trading down without any idea what they want to do with these lower picks once they get them.

Where on the calendar do you start drafting Romo’s successor?
Two years ago. The Cowboys should draft QBs every year. Ron Wolff drafted Hasselback, Brunnell and Aaron Brooks when he had Favre. Even if they don’t become your QB you trade them off.

Shouldn’t they especially do it this year since they’ve apparently given up on Stephen McGee and have room for a development backup QB?
They show no confidence in Stephen McGee. To go with Jon Kitna to win a few more games when they’re not competitive in the season.

Someone gives you an NFL team, what front office would you hire to run it?
Baltimore, without question. Ozzie Newsome, no matter where they draft, he finds a guy. They draft in the 20’s every year, and they find good players every year at their picks. Torrey Smith in the 2nd round last year. They have scouts who have been in their system since the Cleveland days, and they know their system. Ozzie has a good feel for players, and a lot of ex players don’t.

Which team screws up the draft every year?
Bengals, they have no regard for character. Every year they draft 2 or 3 bad lockerroom guys, and now they got a lockerroom full of them. That said, they had a great draft last year and got a good QB with a 2nd round pick.
 
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Not quite as good as Joe's..but it gets the job done..good work
 
Never forget: This guy thought Roy Williams should have been moved to 3-4 OLB.
 
I didn't like the Felix pick and I think Jerry is a terrible GM, but didn't Garrett want Felix??
 
Just pick your board Jerry ... dont be ***** cute ... just pick the board.
 
Thanks IR. Good info.

Wonder if he knows about interest in Kuechly or he just listed him because he would be available. I can't imagine we'd draft him with Lee, Carter and Connor.

Are we looking at Barron, Decastro or trade down. Or are we looking at Kuechly, Barron, Decastro or trade down. Would make an interesting scenario, IMO, because Kuechly is the best prospect of the bunch
 
Man, would we be crazy deep and loaded with quality (at least presumably) at ILB if we draft Kuechly.

I would say we could try to bump Carter out to OLB, but he just doesn't seem to fit that position. He's only like 240 and his abilities are sideline-to-sideline and in coverage... not moving forward against the run, and is entirely unproven as a rusher.

A 4-3 LB core of: Carter (WLB), Lee (MLB), Kuechly (SLB) would be pretty sick though. But we are a 3-4 team so it's sort of an empty thought.
 
DBOY3141;4510059 said:
I didn't like the Felix pick and I think Jerry is a terrible GM, but didn't Garrett want Felix??

People act as if Felix has been terrible. He's not Chris Johnson(drafted after Jones) but he hasn't been a bad player either.
 
If Felix was a 4th round pick, we would have been happy with the pick so far.

He's a first rounder who was drafted to be a backup and play 10 snaps a game.

Poor decision making there.
 
Gaede;4510101 said:
If Felix was a 4th round pick, we would have been happy with the pick so far.

He's a first rounder who was drafted to be a backup and play 10 snaps a game.

Poor decision making there.

Exactly.

Waste of a 1st round pick. You don't spend a 1st rounder on a back-up. Barber was the starter.
 
DBOY3141;4510059 said:
I didn't like the Felix pick and I think Jerry is a terrible GM, but didn't Garrett want Felix??

Yep.

And I'd like to know what other RBs we had ahead of Felix on our board. The discussion was maybe Mendenhall, but I think they were more or less even, and Garrett wanted a complement to Barber.

I do remember that the only RB we definitely had ahead of the other was Jonathan Stewart, who went several picks earlier to the Panthers.

Oh, and funny how Jerry said Wade was "standing on the table" for Chris Johnson, but he was ranked below the others.
 
DBOY3141;4510059 said:
I didn't like the Felix pick and I think Jerry is a terrible GM, but didn't Garrett want Felix??

Yes. He wanted speed at RB. And a change of pace guy. Plus a kick returner.

The plan for Felix wasn't bad. The other half the equation is what failed: Marion Barber.

We still need Felix's speed and hands to open things up. A very useful piece on offense.

But that draft was insanely deep at RB.
Forte and CJ came off the boards later.

Had we traded down again we might still end up with Felix or with Forte....
Trading down is a good idea unless you see a different tier of talent available to you when you draft.

Also Balt had some fantastic drafts but might now be fairly over-rated. Not sure how much they've pulled out of the last 3 drafts.
 
DBOY3141;4510111 said:
Exactly.

Waste of a 1st round pick. You don't spend a 1st rounder on a back-up. Barber was the starter.
Barber was out of position as a starter...he was a prototypical 3rd down back
 
jterrell;4510130 said:
Yes. He wanted speed at RB. And a change of pace guy. Plus a kick returner.

The plan for Felix wasn't bad. The other half the equation is what failed: Marion Barber.

We still need Felix's speed and hands to open things up. A very useful piece on offense.

But that draft was insanely deep at RB.
Forte and CJ came off the boards later.

Had we traded down again we might still end up with Felix or with Forte....
Trading down is a good idea unless you see a different tier of talent available to you when you draft.

Also Balt had some fantastic drafts but might now be fairly over-rated. Not sure how much they've pulled out of the last 3 drafts.

I thought I read after the draft that Tennessee would have taken Felix over CJ.

The other problem is. Felix hasn't really turned out to be a kick returner either. Wonder if he feels that role this year. I doubt it, but it could happen.
 
DBOY3141;4510148 said:
I thought I read after the draft that Tennessee would have taken Felix over CJ.

The other problem is. Felix hasn't really turned out to be a kick returner either. Wonder if he feels that role this year. I doubt it, but it could happen.

I think when we grabbed Murray we were saying Felix is back to part-time work with return duties.

I expect that is where he can excel. He was the top kick returner coming out.
His rookie year he had a 98 yard return for a TD and finished 6th in avg.

But Barber broke down and we needed Felix to take lots of carries all of a sudden. CJ, he was not.
 
igtmfo;4510180 said:
I remember Wade repeating to Jerry while we were on the clock for Felix (this was broadcast on "The Blitz" that weekend) the prevailing wisdom around that time about Mendenhall - that he wasn't tough enough. Nothing was mentioned about the other runners, at least no video shown of it.

Yep, I remember that, too. He was citing Felix's great work ethic, as opposed to Mendenhall who some said didn't love football.

And then on Hard Knocks Jerry was shown consulting with Garrett about the decision when he said we already had an everydown back in Barber.

The part about Wade loving CJ was said much later by Jerry. I assume that was earlier in the process when the board was still being put together.
 
Has anyone else heard that Goose is not doing a top 100 or mock draft this year?
 

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