Grading the 2015 Draft

Galian Beast said:
I blame the coaches for both Jones and Swaim, but none the less they are what they are. Even as a 4th round draft pick, I expect you to eventually turn into a starter, just not immediately. Wilson has never really been considered starting caliber and I doubt he ever will. That gets him his D+. If he became an average starter or even good depth, it would have been a much higher grade.

As much as I like Swaim, he hasn't done anything in the regular season and wasted a couple of the few opportunities he got. He also regressed as a blocker.

Being incomplete after 3 years as a second round draft pick, is an F.
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I believe Wilson was injured his first year for the most part, and battled some injuries as well off and on in his 2nd year I understand what you meant about him. But he seems to make plays, then doesn’t. Like Wilber but much better than Wilber, and like Bruce Carter in a way, though Carter had mor talent, he was jist king of lazy in his attitude it seemed.

I still lo,e Wilson as depth and ST’s, but he can eventually be replaced.

I say incomplete of Gregory becasue we don’t know yet, but his handful of plays he has shown flashes. But being suspended for all this time once again falls back on the coaches for taking him. So they get that F IMO.
 
jazzcat22 said:
I believe Wilson was injured his first year for the most part, and battled some injuries as well off and on in his 2nd year I understand what you meant about him. But he seems to make plays, then doesn’t. Like Wilber but much better than Wilber, and like Bruce Carter in a way, though Carter had mor talent, he was jist king of lazy in his attitude it seemed.

I still lo,e Wilson as depth and ST’s, but he can eventually be replaced.

I say incomplete of Gregory becasue we don’t know yet, but his handful of play
S he has shown flashes. But being suspended for all this time once again falls back on the coaches for taking him. So they get that F IMO.
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There is a good chance he is released even if he is reinstated.
 
CPanther95 said:
Doesn't matter what he does from here on out. He qualifies as a bust.
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No he does not, if he comes back and has 2 back to back season of double digit sacks, and contributes to winning any playoff games...you would consider that a bust?
 
Galian Beast said:
There is a good chance he is released even if he is reinstated.
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True, but I would hope this team gives him a chance since they did invest a 2nd round pick. I’d for anything if he looks decent, some team may offer a trade for him or one of our other guys.

But then again this team released Romo, Dez and Scandrick and we’re out there for free. :laugh:
 
TheSport78 said:
LOL yeah. I remember Jerry tried to sell us that the 09' draft was all about strengthening special teams. What fricking NFL franchise drafts for special teams depth?
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A very misguided and stupid one, run by guy who's ego is bigger than his brain and he's just fine with it.
 
Galian Beast said:
Byron Jones - C+
Randy Gregory - F
Chaz Green - F
Damien Wilson - D+
Ryan Russell - F
Mark Nzecha - F
Laurence Gibson - F
Geoff Swaim - C
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Byron Jones B
Randy Gregory Incomplete (but likley an F)
Chaz Green D-
Damien Wilson C-
Ryan Russell F
Mark Nzecha D-
Lawrence Gibson F
Geoff Swaim B-

Not as brutal as your assessment, but still pretty negative.
 
Byron has been valuable, he's been more of a matchup piece than anything else. I'd like to see how he transitions into a full time CB role before making a final judgement on the pick.

I think the team was right on Gregory's talent, but he just hasn't been available for over 2 years. Let's see what happens with his reinstatement, if he really has been clean for over a year then that's a good sign and hopefully he can get his career back on track.

Green had an all time bad game against Atlanta, but outside of that performance has been serviceable when he had to play. Wouldn't call it an F.

Wilson has been up and down depth, probably not as much of a return there as we were hoping.

Swaim was a decent get in the 7th.
 
Section446 said:
It started horribly with Jones, guy is a scrub.
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If Jones is "a scrub", why use 5th year option. The guy has been a consistently good player for us. He's not been perfect, but has more than just flashed playing slot CB, TE Cover specialist and has even had some good moments at S. I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings as a full-time CB.
 
CPanther95 said:
Doesn't matter what he does from here on out. He qualifies as a bust.
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If he can somehow get reinstated, stay off the weed and show up in game shape and ready to roll and then balls out, we will have to reassess. Of course those are a ton of "ifs". :D
 
Cap12 said:
If Jones is "a scrub", why use 5th year option. The guy has been a consistently good player for us. He's not been perfect, but has more than just flashed playing slot CB, TE Cover specialist and has even had some good moments at S. I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings as a full-time CB.
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Because we aren't very keen on admitting our mistakes, very typical Cowboys move.
 
jazzcat22 said:
No he does not, if he comes back and has 2 back to back season of double digit sacks, and contributes to winning any playoff games...you would consider that a bust?
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Would you take him again if you could do over?
 
Safe to say Dallas absolutely sucks when it comes to day 3 drafting. The headscratching day 3 picks from this past weekend will probably end up being useless as well.

2016 might be the only year that will amount to anything. Dak, Tapper, Brown, Frazier, Rico is a good haul even if they all don't pan out.

2017 is already looking terrible other than maybe Woods who they completely lucked into falling that far. Gonna go ahead and say they still suck because they took Switzer at the spot Woods shoulda went if they wanted him.
 
CPanther95 said:
Would you take him again if you could do over?
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No of course not at this point but that is easy to say in hindsight.
I didn’t want them to draft him in the first place. But not going to jump up and down pounding my chest as if I was right.

Just saying you can’t say he is a bust either. Possible wasted pick, yes. I guess one can say bust / waste is the same. But it is not in my book.

Same goes for Jaylon Smith, the year he was selected I felt it was a wasted pick, but now, it is a wait and see if he will be a bust or wasted pick, or a good pick gamble.
 
Galian Beast said:
Byron Jones - C+
Randy Gregory - F
Chaz Green - F
Damien Wilson - D+
Ryan Russell - F
Mark Nzecha - F
Laurence Gibson - F
Geoff Swaim - C
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Overly negative.

Chaz was a decent swing tackle until they screwed around with him.

Ryan Russell had 7 undistinguished starts last year. Damien Wilson had 9. Meh players out of the 4th and 5th round.

Swaim was a 7th, and gave us a decent player. Would have been fine to play instead of Hanna last year. PFF rated him average. That's an A- for a 7th.

Gregory was a known low probability but high return gamble. We still don't know what the outcome of that will be. He's only earned 1 league year so far.

From the numbers, just sticking around through your fourth year is hugely beating the odds for all but 1st rounders.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2014/5/13/5713996/how-long-does-the-average-draft-pick-stick-around

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Jake0 said:
Safe to say Dallas absolutely sucks when it comes to day 3 drafting. The headscratching day 3 picks from this past weekend will probably end up being useless as well.
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See the plot of Drafted Player Retention Rate. Day 3 picks rarely amount to much for everyone.
 
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