Great team building Revisited

[dsturgeon]

Before the draft I started a thread about the cowboys team building.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/great-team-building.494455/page-2

The cowboys have gone through the draft, training camp, and are about to make the final roster moves before the season.

1. Do you like how the team is currently built, and has been built in recent years?
2. Do you think the defense or offense will perform better?
3. Do you have any complaints about the current way of building?

I think the team is loaded with depth and skill players. It should be a great year I am excited about the defense, offense, and special teams.

 

[dsturgeon]

They did a good job of assembling a talented roster.

Building a team? Not as much.

That's a difference most don't understand.

Now that the team has been assembled, do you think they built a good team?

 

[Havic]

The team will be above average in the league. We gambled on the kicker situation and it just didnt pay off. The O-line is still my biggest concern this season and I do not believe we did enough to address it. It would have been nice to have a vet WR3 instead of rolling the dice on Simi, Tolbert and Brown.

 

[john van brocklin]

Before the draft I started a thread about the cowboys team building.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/great-team-building.494455/page-2

The cowboys have gone through the draft, training camp, and are about to make the final roster moves before the season.

1. Do you like how the team is currently built, and has been built in recent years?
2. Do you think the defense or offense will perform better?
3. Do you have any complaints about the current way of building?

I think the team is loaded with depth and skill players. It should be a great year I am excited about the defense, offense, and special teams.

They did not do near enough to obtain offensive line depth
In particular a proven swing tackle.
Hope Dak has good running shoes, because he is gonna be running for his life once Tyrone goes down with his yearly injury.
Just unbelievable.
Of course with this amateur front office I should not be shocked.

 

[Ken]

I look at the roster and how the heck we are going to cut down to 53. This has been a question for a lot of fans and pundits, yet at the same time, they whine and whine that we lost so much talent????

Good players are going to be cut this year. They have done a great job adding talent to this roster.

OL will be better this year IF they stay healthy.

The defense will be among the best in the league.

It boils down to our offensive coaches and utilizing everyone on the offense (Pollard/Turpin/2nd TE's etc) to their fullest so that teams can't just sit in a deep zone and we don't make them pay.

 

[dsturgeon]

They did not do near enough to obtain offensive line depth
In particular a proven swing tackle.
Hope Dak has good running shoes, because he is gonna be running for his life once Tyrone goes down with his yearly injury.
Just unbelievable.
Of course with this amateur front office I should not be shocked.

A better swing tackle would be nice, but they could move tyler out. They could also move steele to left tackle, martin to righ tackle, and, mcgovern to right gaurd.

 

[john van brocklin]

A better swing tackle would be nice, but they could move tyler out. They could also move steele to left tackle, martin to righ tackle, and, mcgovern to right gaurd.

That's a lot of loss of continuity
It's not like a swing tackle would break the bank
And we have plenty of cap space.
Frankly I don't get it.

 

[jazzcat22]

Overall I think the roster is about the same, some gains and some losses. But the potential gains are better than the losses. It just may take some time to get up there.
The defense will be better in Quinn’s 2nd year.

Such as the WR group getting Gallup back and Washington, as I think he was a good addition.
The OL is another issue, I think it will improve as they play more. But staying healthy as usual is the key. Meaning Tyron Smith more so than any other player. Depth is an issue.

Overall the off-season was good. I know many won’t agree, but that is the way we are as fans.

 

[zrinkill]

This off-season was more about money than about football ...... and as long as the current Jones's are in charge that is how it will always be.

 

[TWOK11]

The Cowboys do a good job of assembling talent, which is why we’ve consistently been a playoff contender. For all the talk about how terribly this franchise is run for the last 26 years, we’ve either made the playoffs or been a contender to the end of the year in 18 of those 26 seasons. Only 6 other teams in the sport can say that or better.

Since the SB runs however we have often fallen short of assembling a good, cohesive team. Years like 1999, 2008, 2019 are good examples of this. Teams LOADED with talent but not operating as a quality team. The 2008 team remains one of the most talented teams in history to miss the playoffs. That team was more talented than either team that made the SB that season.

 

[Gaede]

I think they've done a terrible job. We traded away starters for peanuts and did nothing to replace them, are thin at key spots, our first round pick will ride the beach, and we have a gigantic loser once again kicking FGs and extra points this year, which will inevitably cost us games.

 

[Parcells4Life]

I think they've done a terrible job. We traded away starters for peanuts and did nothing to replace them, are thin at key spots, our first round pick will ride the beach, and we have a gigantic loser once again kicking FGs and extra points this year, which will inevitably cost us games.

This. If you wanted to get rid of Cooper, Gregory, Collins, Wilson, etc fine. But when you have $20 million available you have to provide a backup plan if the hope of trying unproven players doesn’t pan out.

Football is a lot harder to measure than people on message boards think but it’s not so hard that you can make believe losing pro bowl talent doesn’t matter and you can replace them with unproven players.

 

[Bobhaze]

There’s a big difference between assembling a roster and building a team. A collection of talented players is not necessarily also a team.

One of the reasons we’ve had this 26 year drought in the playoffs has been the lack of understanding that talent alone is NEVER enough. Here’s a simple process of what it takes to build a winner:

1. Having a General Manager and front office with a clear plan of what they are building and who is best suited to coach and lead the team.
2. Allowing the GM to hire the right head coach who is empowered to hire a great staff aligned to the organizational plan to win.
3. Being able to scout and draft talent that fits your plan.
4. Being able to coach and develop that talent into cohesive TEAM.

That final step of coaching and developing talent includes shaping those players to play their roles within the team. This is where talented coaches make a difference. All 53 players must work together as pieces of a whole in specific roles.

I’m often amazed at things I read on here like “Let’s get this guy- he’s talented” without any thought of what kind of team we’re assembling and whether that player would fit here. What we need is a real TEAM, not just a collection of stars.

 

[Jake]

1. Do you like how the team is currently built, and has been built in recent years?
2. Do you think the defense or offense will perform better?
3. Do you have any complaints about the current way of building?

1. No. Great teams pay blindside tackle, edge rusher, cover corner, top WR, and QB. They don't give big contracts to RBs, LBs, and guards.
2. Defense. Offense has too many question marks and the offensive line isn't anything close to what it was a few years ago. At least the defense has play makers.
3. Yes. They pay some positions you shouldn't pay, have too much faith in their own draft picks, and always seem reactive rather than proactive.

It's no accident that this front office has won next to nothing over the last 25+ years. Same guys doing the same things, expecting different results.

 

[Jake]

The truth is, if I hadn't already been a Cowboys fan long before Jerry & Stephen decided to play fantasy football front office I'd never be a fan of them now.

They're a laughingstock. They either don't care (as the money rolls in) or are too clueless to realize it. Either way, they're taking us long time fans with them.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Hope Dak has good running shoes, because he is gonna be running for his life once Tyrone goes down with his yearly injury.

Prophetic.

 

[charron]

1. No
2. Defense
3. We draft well. Signing cheap free agents and trading late picks for players has allowed them to quickly cut bait if guys don't work out. Biggest issues are overpaying their own guys, Demarcus and zeke while refusing to bring in sure starters at positions of need. Especially during the season while winning last year they had a few holes they needed to address and it bit them in the playoffs.

 

[dsturgeon]

1. No. Great teams pay blindside tackle, edge rusher, cover corner, top WR, and QB. They don't give big contracts to RBs, LBs, and guards.
2. Defense. Offense has too many question marks and the offensive line isn't anything close to what it was a few years ago. At least the defense has play makers.
3. Yes. They pay some positions you shouldn't pay, have too much faith in their own draft picks, and always seem reactive rather than proactive.

It's no accident that this front office has won next to nothing over the last 25+ years. Same guys doing the same things, expecting different results.

Can you name 2 current teams that meet your qualifications for being built great?

 

[acr731]

Hope Dak has good running shoes, because he is gonna be running for his life once Tyrone goes down with his yearly injury.

And then moments later it happened.

 

[Bobhaze]

Can you name 2 current teams that meet your qualifications for being built great?

The last 3 SB winners are easy examples of great teams built by young, smart GMs who were aggressive with their use of cap space and had HCs with full locker room authority. It’s not like those teams just got lucky at the craps table.