Greatest Ever Crock

[rcaldw]

Most Super Bowl Appearances by any NFL Team? - Dallas 8
Most Super Bowl wins by any NFL Team? - Dallas 5 (with 49ers and Steelers)
Most Consecutive winning seasons by any NFL Team? - Dallas 20
Most wins by any QB in a single decade? - Troy Aikman Dallas
Most Super Bowl wins in a four year span? - Dallas 3 of 4 (tied with NE)
Most rushing yards in NFL history? - Emmitt Smith Dallas
Most Division Titles in NFL history? - Dallas (19)
Most Playoff appearances in NFL history? - Dallas
Most Playoff victories in NFL history? - Dallas

Yet, do you notice, when it comes to:

Greatest team in NFL history - It has to be a 49er team or a Steeler team or a Patriot team. (1992 or 93 Cowboys in my opinion)

Greatest coach in NFL history - Has to be Lombardi or Shula or Belicheat (Landry in my opinion)

Greatest QB in NFL history - Aikman doesn't even get a mention

Greatest RB in NFL history - Gotta be someone other than Smith

If the 49ers or the Giants (left coast and east coast teams) had the above records, ESPN would be the 49ers - Giants network 24/7. And you know that is true.

 

[Vintage]

There isn't an anti Dallas bias....

 

[zrinkill]

There isn't an anti Dallas bias....

I think there is ..... but I do not think its as bad as people act like it is.

And I think its rooted in jealousy.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

How many former Cowboys Coaches, Front Office Personnel and Players does the media have to employ to drop the over-used "Cowboys Bias" cliché?

To add, I cannot wait for the day when Cowboys fans actually look to the present and the future and stop holding on to the past and former glory.

 

[Vintage]

I think there is ..... but I do not think its as bad as people act like it is.

And I think its rooted in jealousy.

I think its just oversensitive fans...


Take the original post in this thread. What does having the NFL's leading rusher mean in terms of having a greatest franchise of all time? Not much. If Emmitt finished second all time in rushing, does that make our franchise any less? No.

Does going to 8 Super Bowls and winning 5 mean that one of our teams should be called the greatest of all time? No. It means absolutely nothing in that regard.

His first half of the post about Super Bowl wins/appearances/leading rusher/etc has NOTHING to do with the second half of the post about greatest team/coach/RB/QB/etc....

Yet, he wants to correlate the two.

And when ESPN doesn't talk about it, its blatant anti Dallas bias....

 

[Royal Laegotti]

I think there is ..... but I do not think its as bad as people act like it is.

And I think its rooted in jealousy.

I agree, but I do think it is that bad at times, Dallas gets "conveniently" get left out of all those conversations that the original poster listed.

I reallity the Cowboys are the greatest team in NFL history because of all those things. There are teams of decades, but the Dallas Cowboys should be the team of the century with all that success.

 

[WoodysGirl]

How many former Cowboys Coaches, Front Office Personnel and Players does the media have to employ to drop the over-used "Cowboys Bias" cliché?

To add, I cannot wait for the day when Cowboys fans actually look to the present and the future and stop holding on to the past and former glory.

I agree the Cowboys bias is a myth. I find way too much 'boys news from all the media outlets to truly believe there is a bias. Yes there's some obvious hate from selected media, but bias? Nah.

IMO, fans aren't going to let go of past glory. It's because the past glory was so great that it's been hard to accept the present. For many, the expectations for the present is based on what has been achieved in the past, instead of treating the present as an individual achievement.

 

[rcaldw]

How many former Cowboys Coaches, Front Office Personnel and Players does the media have to employ to drop the over-used "Cowboys Bias" cliché?

To add, I cannot wait for the day when Cowboys fans actually look to the present and the future and stop holding on to the past and former glory.

First off, I hope we never forget our past. I actually think that is part of the problem RIGHT NOW in the present and looking to the future. We are happy to make the playoffs these days. If we are just one more NFL team nowadays then things have REALLY changed, because there was a time we were the New York Yankees of football.

Second, hiring Cowboys in the media doesn't matter a bit if you never recognize the greatness of our past players in your discussions about "The Greatest".

Third, I don't think the anti-Cowboys attitude in the media is our imagination since there are people IN THE MEDIA who have said the same thing. There are people involved in Hall of Fame voting (John McClain being one) who said that it is REAL.

But when it is all said and done, the whining that I was tired of this year came from our own coaching staff. "The better team didn't win". Well that team that is supposedly not as good as us is the Super Bowl Champion this morning.

We haven't won a playoff game in a decade.

 

[rcaldw]

I think its just oversensitive fans...


Take the original post in this thread. What does having the NFL's leading rusher mean in terms of having a greatest franchise of all time? Not much. If Emmitt finished second all time in rushing, does that make our franchise any less? No.

Does going to 8 Super Bowls and winning 5 mean that one of our teams should be called the greatest of all time? No. It means absolutely nothing in that regard.

His first half of the post about Super Bowl wins/appearances/leading rusher/etc has NOTHING to do with the second half of the post about greatest team/coach/RB/QB/etc....

Yet, he wants to correlate the two.

And when ESPN doesn't talk about it, its blatant anti Dallas bias....

You totally missed my point. Here it is. When a team has the kind of success that the Dallas Cowboys (in the past) had, don't you think there is SOME slight chance that one of our teams, one of our coaches, one of our QB's or RB's or skill position players, just MIGHT be among the all-time greats? Does such a consistent run of greatness happen by accident?

And why does it happen that the greatest of all time (in the view of ESPN or the NFL network) usually turns out to be a 49ers team, or a Steelers team or a Patriots team?

I mean, be honest with yourself. Steve Young gets mentioned alot in these discussions. We beat him in 92 and 93 and his team wasn't even around for the one in 95. But Steve Young is one of the greatest of all-time, right? Oh, that's right, Dallas was the better team, but he was the better individual player because he didn't have all that talent we had. Really? Jerry Rice (greatest receiver of all-time right?), John Taylor, Roger Craig, etc.

I won't go on and on, because in the big picture it really doesn't matter, but you go on believing it doesn't exist, just remember to notice the next time the discussions start about "greatest ever" and notice how absent your Cowboys are in the discussion.

I will add one other thing. How there are not more Cowboys from those great 70s teams in the Hall of Fame I'll never understand. Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris, Bob Hayes, and Drew Pearson.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You totally missed my point. Here it is. When a team has the kind of success that the Dallas Cowboys (in the past) had, don't you think there is SOME slight chance that one of our teams, one of our coaches, one of our QB's or RB's or skill position players, just MIGHT be among the all-time greats? Does such a consistent run of greatness happen by accident?

And why does it happen that the greatest of all time (in the view of ESPN or the NFL network) usually turns out to be a 49ers team, or a Steelers team or a Patriots team?

I mean, be honest with yourself. Steve Young gets mentioned alot in these discussions. We beat him in 92 and 93 and his team wasn't even around for the one in 95. But Steve Young is one of the greatest of all-time, right? Oh, that's right, Dallas was the better team, but he was the better individual player because he didn't have all that talent we had. Really? Jerry Rice (greatest receiver of all-time right?), John Taylor, Roger Craig, etc.

I won't go on and on, because in the big picture it really doesn't matter, but you go on believing it doesn't exist, just remember to notice the next time the discussions start about "greatest ever" and notice how absent your Cowboys are in the discussion.

I will add one other thing. How there are not more Cowboys from those great 70s teams in the Hall of Fame I'll never understand. Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris, Bob Hayes, and Drew Pearson.

How could Vintage miss your point?

He/She posted his/her thoughts on the matter before you posted yours?

 

[rcaldw]

How could Vintage miss your point?

He/She posted her thoughts on the matter before you posted yours?

He/She quoted my original post in making her point, what are you talking about?

 

[SultanOfSix]

I agree. There is a bias, because there are more people who hate the 'Boys than any other team, so its just a reflection of reality from an objective, statistical standpoint. I mean there are certainly people who are more objective in the media than others, but let's face it, there are 31 (well, maybe half who really matter - LOL) other teams that have their fans in the media, so it's going to happen.

I personally think the '92 Cowboys team was the best ever. Part of me is my homer side talking (only a small part), but that team was bred and built to win against fierce competition pre-salary cap. If you look at the previous years before the 'Boys SB run, and who they beat during it, to me it's just so obvious.

 

[Vintage]

You totally missed my point. Here it is. When a team has the kind of success that the Dallas Cowboys (in the past) had, don't you think there is SOME slight chance that one of our teams, one of our coaches, one of our QB's or RB's or skill position players, just MIGHT be among the all-time greats? Does such a consistent run of greatness happen by accident?

And Emmitt does get included in the discussion of greatest RBs of all time. They bring up the record plenty of times. And I've heard people talk about Aikman having the most wins of any QB in the 90's and how impressive that is....

And why does it happen that the greatest of all time (in the view of ESPN or the NFL network) usually turns out to be a 49ers team, or a Steelers team or a Patriots team?

There was a poll done recently about greatest dynasty of all time. Our team of the 90's was included.

We finished 2nd behind the Steelers of the 70s.

I mean, be honest with yourself. Steve Young gets mentioned alot in these discussions. We beat him in 92 and 93 and his team wasn't even around for the one in 95. But Steve Young is one of the greatest of all-time, right? Oh, that's right, Dallas was the better team, but he was the better individual player because he didn't have all that talent we had. Really? Jerry Rice (greatest receiver of all-time right?), John Taylor, Roger Craig, etc.

I hear more about Montana than Young. I hear about Young because he does work for the media....

I won't go on and on, because in the big picture it really doesn't matter, but you go on believing it doesn't exist, just remember to notice the next time the discussions start about "greatest ever" and notice how absent your Cowboys are in the discussion.

Actually, I see them get included quite a bit. As they should be....

I will add one other thing. How there are not more Cowboys from those great 70s teams in the Hall of Fame I'll never understand. Charlie Waters, Cliff Harris, Bob Hayes, and Drew Pearson.

I hate to break it to you, but every team has players they feel deserve to be in the HOF that aren't. We are no different in that regard.

 

[Vintage]

I agree the Cowboys bias is a myth. I find way too much 'boys news from all the media outlets to truly believe there is a bias. Yes there's some obvious hate from selected media, but bias? Nah.

IMO, fans aren't going to let go of past glory. It's because the past glory was so great that it's been hard to accept the present. For many, the expectations for the present is based on what has been achieved in the past, instead of treating the present as an individual achievement.

Agreed.

Hell, every time Troy opens his mouth, we have a several page discussion here about how he Troy Aikman is biased against us....