Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of all time

[RS12]

1) Ali 2) Louis 3) Johnson

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Reminds me of the scene in Coming to America.

Oh and don't post the video or audio to that scene unless you find one that is censored.

 

[MC KAos]

Reminds me of the scene in Coming to America.

Oh and don't post the video or audio to that scene unless you find one that is censored.

barber shop scene?

 

[Tabascocat]

Reminds me of the scene in Coming to America.

Oh and don't post the video or audio to that scene unless you find one that is censored.

I am almost positive there is not a PG-rated cut of that scene out there.

 

[joseephuss]

I would love to see a fight between George Foreman in his prime(before Ali changed his career) and Tyson in his prime. That would be a brutal slugfest.

I do like Tyson, but I don't consider him the greatest. He didn't face a lot of top quality opponents, which isn't his fault. There weren't a lot of great heavyweights in the late 1980s early 1990s.

 

[Tabascocat]

Sonny Liston was a good one too.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would love to see a fight between George Foreman in his prime(before Ali changed his career) and Tyson in his prime. That would be a brutal slugfest.

I do like Tyson, but I don't consider him the greatest. He didn't face a lot of top quality opponents, which isn't his fault. There weren't a lot of great heavyweights in the late 1980s early 1990s.

I agree. I think Foreman would have killed him. I say this because the style of fighter Tyson is would work right into Forman strength and with the size advantage Foreman in my view would have rocked his world. Even the jab of Foreman was brutal

 

[casmith07]

My Grandmother said it was Joe Louis. He was too old when I saw him to know. Ali is the best boxer I've ever seen no matter the division. I do admit I haven't seen the last few champions. Who's your choice?

We'll never know with Joe Louis because people refused to fight him.

I think the default is Ali.

 

[jobberone]

Sonny Liston was a good one too.

Yes he was. And Ali destroyed him.

 

[dreghorn2]

From a pure, who would beat who in their prime, this discussion would really see a lot of different opinions.

I would place Ali, Holmes, and Lewis (Lennox) as perhaps the three winners of a round robin 'in their primes ' tournament.

Ali was insanely good, great speed, good size, but lacked power.

For the majority of his career Ali fought handpicked opponents in very favorable circumstances, with a few exceptions. Even his Liston win had an air of 'mystery' to it.

Holmes was a tremendous boxer who fought in a down period for heavyweights. Completely dominate for a great many years Holmes had skills few heavyweights have ever had. Brilliant fighter.

Lennox Lewis had it all, size, power, reach, chin, and a simply punishing hammer jab that would deny his opponents entry into the 'danger' zones of pro boxing.

Discounting eras and simply going on size, training, skills, etc.. i think a case can be made that these three would be the ones standing after an all-time heavyweights competition.

 

[trickblue]

Jack Johnson...

 

[JonJon]

The default is Ali, and Sugar Ray Robinson deserves mention, but I'm going to give a name that will raise some eyebrows.

Floyd Mayweather.

In my mind, he is the best pure boxer in terms of skill. He has the speed to land at will and has knockout power. Plus he has one of the best defensive styles I have ever seen, and I watch a LOT of boxing, old and new. He gets a bad rep because people don't like him as a person, but in the ring, few would beat him.

Honorable mention is Roy Jones in his prime. He was simply unbeatable, often untouchable, and possessed the fastest hands I've ever seen. The knocks against him are his lack of big name opponents and then his propensity late in his career to get knocked out by no-name bums.

 

[JonJon]

Reminds me of the scene in Coming to America.

Oh and don't post the video or audio to that scene unless you find one that is censored.

:laugh2:
One of the greatest movie scene of all-time.

 

[Tabascocat]

The default is Ali, and Sugar Ray Robinson deserves mention, but I'm going to give a name that will raise some eyebrows.

Floyd Mayweather.

In my mind, he is the best pure boxer in terms of skill. He has the speed to land at will and has knockout power. Plus he has one of the best defensive styles I have ever seen, and I watch a LOT of boxing, old and new. He gets a bad rep because people don't like him as a person, but in the ring, few would beat him.

Honorable mention is Roy Jones in his prime. He was simply unbeatable, often untouchable, and possessed the fastest hands I've ever seen. The knocks against him are his lack of big name opponents and then his propensity late in his career to get knocked out by no-name bums.

Your talking pound-for-pound fighters though. Everyone of those guys don't last a round fighting heavyweights.

 

[perrykemp]

Loved Larry Holmes in his prime.

 

[jobberone]

From a pure, who would beat who in their prime, this discussion would really see a lot of different opinions.

I would place Ali, Holmes, and Lewis (Lennox) as perhaps the three winners of a round robin 'in their primes ' tournament.

Ali was insanely good, great speed, good size, but lacked power.

For the majority of his career Ali fought handpicked opponents in very favorable circumstances, with a few exceptions. Even his Liston win had an air of 'mystery' to it.

Holmes was a tremendous boxer who fought in a down period for heavyweights. Completely dominate for a great many years Holmes had skills few heavyweights have ever had. Brilliant fighter.

Lennox Lewis had it all, size, power, reach, chin, and a simply punishing hammer jab that would deny his opponents entry into the 'danger' zones of pro boxing.

Discounting eras and simply going on size, training, skills, etc.. i think a case can be made that these three would be the ones standing after an all-time heavyweights competition.

I thought about Holmes and Lewis. I don't know about them because boxing was on the downswing then. I don't agree with you about Ali. He had power but it wasn't in the same class as Johnson, Dempsey, Lewis, Marciano, Liston, Foreman, or Tyson.

Ali fought during perhaps the greatest time in heavyweight boxing history. That's certainly arguable but the competition was pretty good. Some of his competition would have made great champions. Ken Norton comes to mind. Add in Frazier, Foreman, and Holmes and you have some great fighters.

 

[dreghorn2]

I thought about Holmes and Lewis. I don't know about them because boxing was on the downswing then. I don't agree with you about Ali. He had power but it wasn't in the same class as Johnson, Dempsey, Lewis, Marciano, Liston, Foreman, or Tyson.

Ali fought during perhaps the greatest time in heavyweight boxing history. That's certainly arguable but the competition was pretty good. Some of his competition would have made great champions. Ken Norton comes to mind. Add in Frazier, Foreman, and Holmes and you have some great fighters.

Tough to argue about Ali, and i won't try. He was a great heavyweight and in my top three as mentioned, i'm only nit picking with any criticism sent his way.

The more i think on it the more i'm convinced that if forced to bet the house, those three would be my selections.

Now with a gun to my head and one selection to make...

 

[jobberone]

Here's some film of Dempsey. Really don't know where he got his power from but his left was supposed to be devastating until the end of his career.

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[jobberone]

Here's Joe defeating Max Schmeling in fight II. Joe was supposed to have a big right.

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[jobberone]

Here's the first Clay and Liston fight (long). Skip to 11+ and the end is around 36. They wouldn't let Liston answer the bell in the seventh. (eye)

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