Grizz: Cowboys' top six training camp battles

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Cowboys top six training camp battles
by Grizz Sat Jun 30, 2007 at 01:05:30 PM EDT

Here are my top six camp battles for the Dallas Cowboys. Before you read my list let me explain my criteria, I thought about the subject and wrote down the first six battles that came to mind. That’s the beauty of my system, simplistic and fast. OK, I really did think about these a little more than that, but not much. I gave more weight to battles for serious playing time, and discounted the gravity of a bottom off the roster battle that might leave a player without a spot on the roster. Counting down to number one...

6. Bobby Carpenter vs. the LB field

Captain Caveman needs some playing time. But where will it come from? Can he carve out a role somewhere or even challenge for a starting spot? It’s time we see what our 1st-round pick from last year can really do. Outside, inside, I just want to see some upside. He was one of the few players actually making plays towards the end of the year and finished with a big game in the playoff loss.

5. Ken Hamlin vs. Pat Watkins

I’m sold that Hamlin will be the starter, at least initially, but how much playing time can Watkins get? The over-matched rookie may be transformed into a seasoned second-year pro. You can’t deny Watkins physical gifts, at his height and athletic ability only the mental part of the game can hold him back. He ended up out of position far too often last year. Hamlin, in contrast, is a guy who has proven it before. If he returns to his pre-head injury form then the Cowboys have found their free safety. If not, then Watkins can make his move.

4. Oliver Hoyte vs. Lousaka Polite vs. Deon Anderson

This should be a fascinating one to watch. A three-man battle royal. In one corner, the converted linebacker Hoyte, he of the big hit but little experience. He might not prosper in an offense that utilizes the FB in all its forms. In another corner, Lou Polite, a true FB who does everything, but nothing at a very high level. A glorified special teamer. In the third corner, the newcomer, Deon Anderson, a complete FB at the college level, but must show that he has it in the pros.

3. Julius Jones vs. Marion Barber, III

This is really a battle over the concept of featured back. And even that can become confusing. The Cowboys can either leave things as they were last year, which worked out pretty well. Or they could try to even out the carries a little more, almost a 50/50 arrangement. Or they could flip the use of the backs in concept, where MB3 gets the 1st and 2nd down runs in the power running game and short-yardage situations and JJ is the change of pace back, taking the draws, the screens and the sweeps. They’ll both play and play a lot, but can MB3 nudge his way into more carries and a bigger role?

2. Greg Ellis vs. Anthony Spencer

This is a battle that is not supposed to be a battle. None other than Wade Phillips has declared Ellis the starter. But I’m not sold, and I’m so not-sold - that’s so not-good grammar – that I’m putting it up there as a big battle. Of course, three or four days into camp could prove that Ellis is not showing the ill-effects of his injury, and the battle would be over. But more than likely Ellis will be less than 100-percent and Spencer looks like he has the ability to start quickly. Wade Phillips says there’s no battle, but I beg to differ. Then again, no one cares what I beg to do, especially Wade Phillips.

1. Martin Gramatica vs. Nick Folk

How can a kicker battle be the number one battle? I have no idea, but I envision a Roman gladiatorial battle to the death between the two. We could even carry in Jerry Jones as the emperor, and dub him Jerunus Joneseium. Gramatica could be one of those guys who fight with a trident and net, and we could toss Folk the traditional short sword and shield, and let them have at it. Or we could just see who kicks the ball further and straighter. I’m good either way.

Other notable battles: Jason Ferguson’s backup, the receiver battle beyond the top three, the backup CB’s, the #3 QB.

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Angus;1541998 said:
2. Greg Ellis vs. Anthony Spencer

This is a battle that is not supposed to be a battle. None other than Wade Phillips has declared Ellis the starter. But I’m not sold, and I’m so not-sold - that’s so not-good grammar – that I’m putting it up there as a big battle. Of course, three or four days into camp could prove that Ellis is not showing the ill-effects of his injury, and the battle would be over. But more than likely Ellis will be less than 100-percent and Spencer looks like he has the ability to start quickly. Wade Phillips says there’s no battle, but I beg to differ. Then again, no one cares what I beg to do, especially Wade Phillips.
I'm looking forward to this battle right here. I'm hoping that Spencer blows us away, cause if he does, we are looking at the best tandom of passrushers this team has seen in ages.
 

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Angus;1541998 said:
4. Oliver Hoyte vs. Lousaka Polite vs. Deon Anderson

This should be a fascinating one to watch. A three-man battle royal. In one corner, the converted linebacker Hoyte, he of the big hit but little experience. He might not prosper in an offense that utilizes the FB in all its forms. In another corner, Lou Polite, a true FB who does everything, but nothing at a very high level. A glorified special teamer. In the third corner, the newcomer, Deon Anderson, a complete FB at the college level, but must show that he has it in the pros.

My money is on Deon 'the Demon' Anderson.
 

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Angus;1541998 said:
3. Julius Jones vs. Marion Barber, III

This is really a battle over the concept of featured back. And even that can become confusing. The Cowboys can either leave things as they were last year, which worked out pretty well. Or they could try to even out the carries a little more, almost a 50/50 arrangement. Or they could flip the use of the backs in concept, where MB3 gets the 1st and 2nd down runs in the power running game and short-yardage situations and JJ is the change of pace back, taking the draws, the screens and the sweeps. They’ll both play and play a lot, but can MB3 nudge his way into more carries and a bigger role?

They left out an option. Julius can become a real feature back and get the bulk of the carries, and Marion can get maybe a series a half. I like that option. Or vice versa.

I think pulling Julius out every 3rd down and putting Marion in, and doing the same when they got in the red zone, messed up the rhythm. I think they'd both be better if they just got a whole series.
 

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Angus;1541998 said:
5. Ken Hamlin vs. Pat Watkins

I’m sold that Hamlin will be the starter, at least initially, but how much playing time can Watkins get? The over-matched rookie may be transformed into a seasoned second-year pro. You can’t deny Watkins physical gifts, at his height and athletic ability only the mental part of the game can hold him back. He ended up out of position far too often last year. Hamlin, in contrast, is a guy who has proven it before. If he returns to his pre-head injury form then the Cowboys have found their free safety. If not, then Watkins can make his move.

I firmly believe that Hamlin is going to be a huge addition here -- If he plays well, he's getting a big deal from us for '08 and beyond -- also, if he plays well, he's got a good shot at being the defensive captain in '08 as well.
 

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Wow......nice report on the battles.....I for one am pulling for that kicker to succeed on kickoffs especially.
 

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CrazyCowboy;1542025 said:
Wow......nice report on the battles.....I for one am pulling for that kicker to succeed on kickoffs especially.

me too.... i am also pulling for that running back, that fullback, that OLB, that ILB...


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CrazyCowboy;1542025 said:
Wow......nice report on the battles.....I for one am pulling for that kicker to succeed on kickoffs especially.

Me too -- folks here cried that we didn't take Josh Brown a few years ago - now we take a kicker and folks hate it.
 

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Lousaka Polite is awful. Here's to hoping my boy Hoyte wins that position again this year. I'd even take the rook over Polite.
 

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The WR position battle could be particularly interesting, especially if it comes down to if the coaching staff chooses to only have 5 receivers this year. Unless the young receivers have some amazing special teams skills, I can see Wade preferring another pass rusher to a receiver - at which point many Cowboy fans will throw bottles in response to the release of Sam Hurd.
 

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parchy;1542040 said:
Lousaka Polite is awful. Here's to hoping my boy Hoyte wins that position again this year. I'd even take the rook over Polite.

Agree.

Polite was a Parcells weight-room favorite. Maybe "you can't hurt him with an axe", but he was still outplayed by a slow, converted linebacker who hadn't played the position since high school.
 

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Barber is going to get more carries than last year and if he continues to outshine Julius (which shouldn't be too hard), Wade will play Barber more and more...

It is a big year for Julius though, so he could surprise.

I would personally like to see more of Barber and less of Julius. I've seen enough pile ramming.
 

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I would like to see Carpenter beat out one of the 2 other inside LB's or atleast make it a hard decision... He had his honeymoon (rookie season) and hopeful got stronger and more comfortable...now its time to start seeing why he was drafted #1 by us...
 

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parchy;1542040 said:
Lousaka Polite is awful. Here's to hoping my boy Hoyte wins that position again this year. I'd even take the rook over Polite.

Chocolate Lab;1542235 said:
Agree.

Polite was a Parcells weight-room favorite. Maybe "you can't hurt him with an axe", but he was still outplayed by a slow, converted linebacker who hadn't played the position since high school.

Polite has not been very impressive at all... Hoyte will block but at times looked a bit lost (should improve his comfort level this year)... I know nothing of the anderson kid except what I have read... but does anyone think that Battle might be used as a FB?
 

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Anyone else feel like if Watkins gets some good coaching he could be special?

Dont know if theres anyone else like him in the league, he could really be a pain in the balls for QB's
 

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Clove;1542009 said:
I'm looking forward to this battle right here. I'm hoping that Spencer blows us away, cause if he does, we are looking at the best tandom of passrushers this team has seen in ages.


Can I get a Amen on that post.:bow:
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;1542366 said:
Anyone else feel like if Watkins gets some good coaching he could be special?

Dont know if theres anyone else like him in the league, he could really be a pain in the balls for QB's

His measurables pretty much do that to you. The prospect of a rangy 6'5 safety is almost too much to handle. And none of his problems seem to be too daunting to overcome.

I have a feeling the safety job will be defaulted to one of these guys, that it won't be much of a battle. Either Hamlin is completely recovered and looks like his old self or Watkins has improved enough to take the job.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;1542366 said:
Anyone else feel like if Watkins gets some good coaching he could be special?

Dont know if theres anyone else like him in the league, he could really be a pain in the balls for QB's

I agree, with his physical gifts he could dominate. Because of that I don't necessarily see Hamlin starting week 1...especially if Watkins "gets it."
 

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Count me as yet another one who is anxious to see what Carpenter will do for us this year. Last year was his rookie season, and hopefully we'll see more of what he was "assumed" to be capable of doing when we drafted him.
 
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