Grizz: The Phillps 34 Playbook

[theogt]

in the playbook it said they use man, zone and blitz in any situation? that means he'll blitz whether they are in a man-coverage, or zone

The word "zone" in the term "zone-blitz" does not necessarily mean the secondary is in "zone coverage."

A zone-blitz is a particular type of blitz that has little to do with the secondary's coverage call.

 

[Crown Royal]

Typically a blitz is 5 defenders or more rushing the QB. In a zone-blitz, there are only 4 defenders rushing the QB. The purpose is to confuse the offensive line with a blitz, without losing the coverage of the 5th defender.

To save some grief - we covered the 'definition of a blitz' a few months ago in some other long winded thread. There is currently no definition of a blitz. Some see it as any rushing LB, some see it as more rushers than blockers, and some see it as more than 4-5 players.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

theogt, a zone-blitz allows the D to remain in zone pass coverage

and when the coverage is a cover 2 or cover 3, then the blitz is termed a zone-blitz

so you're right, a zone-blitz isn't necessarily talking about the coverage, but a zone coverage is employed more often than not in a zone-blitz

 

[superpunk]

To save some grief - we covered the 'definition of a blitz' a few months ago in some other long winded thread. There is currently no definition of a blitz. Some see it as any rushing LB, some see it as more rushers than blockers, and some see it as more than 4-5 players.

You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it.

BTW, Baltimore plays a 4-6.

 

[theogt]

To save some grief - we covered the 'definition of a blitz' a few months ago in some other long winded thread. There is currently no definition of a blitz. Some see it as any rushing LB, some see it as more rushers than blockers, and some see it as more than 4-5 players.

There is a pretty concrete defintiion of blitz. Some people just don't understand it.

 

[Crown Royal]

There is a pretty concrete defintiion of blitz. Some people just don't understand it.

Mmmk. Find this concrete definition for me then.

 

[theogt]

theogt, a zone-blitz allows the D to remain in zone pass coverage

and when the coverage is a cover 2 or cover 3, then the blitz is termed a zone-blitz

so you're right, a zone-blitz isn't necessarily talking about the coverage, but a zone coverage is employed more often than not in a zone-blitz

Maybe this will help you understand a little.

http://img516.*************/img516/1253/zoneblitzkw1.png

 

[theogt]

Mmmk. Find this concrete definition for me then.

I don't really want to rehash that thread. If doesn't really bother me too much if people don't understand what a blitz is.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_blitz

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/davie/1430750.html

again, a zone-blitz allows the D to remain in a zone pass coverage

 

[Crown Royal]

I don't really want to rehash that thread. If doesn't really bother me too much if people don't understand what a blitz is.

Weak sauce.

 

[theogt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_blitz

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/davie/1430750.html

again, a zone-blitz allows the D to remain in a zone pass coverage

From you own source:

It exists in nearly limitless permutations, all of which share the common theme of confusing the offensive line by dropping pass-rushers into coverage, while at the same time blitzing players who would usually cover receivers.

This is the key definition of a zone-blitz, which is what I've been trying to explain to you. It has little to do with the pass coverage.

Edit: From the 2nd source you cited:

Another confusing aspect of the zone blitz to the offense is the fact that the defense exchanges responsibilities. The defense blitzes players that the offense anticipates will drop into pass coverage. The defense then replaces those blitzers with defensive players that the offense has accounted for as rushers.

 

[theogt]

Weak sauce.

This response, however, was extra spicy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

From you own source:

This is the key definition of a zone-blitz, which is what I've been trying to explain to you. It has little to do with the pass coverage.

Edit: From the 2nd source you cited:

what are you talking about? all a zone-blitz does is exchange the D's responsibilities for who rushes, and who drops into coverage, they still employ a zone pass coverage

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The zone blitz was started in the early '90s as a way to give the defenses a method to pressure offenses without the high risk of playing man-to-man coverages

 

[theogt]

what are you talking about? all a zone-blitz does is exchange the D's responsibilities for who rushes, and who drops into coverage, they still employ a zone pass coverage

You can have a zone or man coverage with a zone-blitz. More often it will be zone, but it certainly can be man. As far as the change of responsibility part (which is the key to the definition of what a zone-blitz is), there's not a single play in the playbook that calls for that. Hence, there are no zone-blitzes in the playbook.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You can have a zone or man coverage with a zone-blitz. As far as the change of responsibility part (which is the key to the definition of what a zone-blitz is), there's not a single play in the playbook that calls for that. Hence, there are no zone-blitzes in the playbook.

it says in the excerpts given by Grizz that he uses zone and man, and blitzes in any situation, there is a zone-blitz in the playbook because a zone cover scheme, is a situation he uses on D

 

[theogt]

it says in the excerpts given by Grizz that he uses zone and man, and blitzes in any situation

Ok. Let's go through this step by step.


1. Question: What is required for a blitz to be a zone-blitz?

Answer: A D-lineman (or any "typical passrusher") must drop into coverage, and another defender must rush the QB that typically doesn't rush the passer (i.e., one of the LBs or a defensive back).

2. Question: Are there any plays in the playbook that call for this?

Answer: No.

 

[silverblue]

read some of it.

What the rabid cowboyszone posters will not like(ala the last few years):

strict gap assignment
LBs with extensive coverage assignments
safeties have huge responsibility in determining coverage pre-play
basically a bend don't break defense that will give up short passes in the middle of the field until the red zone

What the rabid cowboyzone posters will like:

most any man can blitz any gap on any play per assignment(depends on offense formation usually who will get blitz assignment if a blitz is called for)

What the dallas D might not like:

This playbook is undoubtedly more complex than the one they currently use and will entail a good deal of mental exercise

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok. Let's go through this step by step.


1. Question: What is required for a blitz to be a zone-blitz?

Answer: A D-lineman (or any "typical passrusher") must drop into coverage, and another defender must rush the QB that typically doesn't rush the passer (i.e., one of the LBs or a defensive back).

I think you're a little mixed up here, since another requirement of the zone-blitz is the D being in a zone-pass coverage

I haven't seen anywhere where it's stated that a zone-blitz is only a zone-blitz when the responsibilities of the defenders are switched, if you can show me that, I would be much obliged

 

[theogt]

I think you're a little mixed up here, since another requirement of the zone-blitz is the D being in a zone-pass coverage

I haven't seen anywhere where it's stated that a zone-blitz is only a zone-blitz when the responsibilities of the defenders are switched, if you can show me that, I would be much obliged

Ok, for the sake of argument, let's say that for a blitz to be a "zone-blitz" there are 2 requirements:

1. The secondary has to be in zone coverage.

2. There has to be some change in pass-rushing responsibility (e.g., a lineman drops into coverage and a LB rushes the passer).

Can you at least agree to this for one moment? If yes, then you'll notice that in no place in the playbook do you see a possible play in which both of those requirements are met. Hence, there are no "zone-blitzes" in the playbook.