Group Chat: Dak's Recovery and QB 2 battle

[Typhus]

I can't believe some still think Lance was better than Rush.

You really think Jerry made that high profile move all by himself and paid Lance all that money to sit behind someone worse than him?

Lance's problems are between the ears.
SF gave up the house for him, but they did not realize that he was mental.

 

[DuncanIso]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...picy-qb2-battle-between-joe-milton-will-grier

He says, what Dak said, if he had to play a game, he could.
I call BS. In another article it said, Dak says that, but most likely he could not.
I even seen another article, claiming he had a slight set back, and the tear is still not completely healed being attached to the bone. I need to try to find that one.

Walker is implying there may be a battle for QB 2, between Grier and Milton. I say it is not close. Grier was not as good as Rush, who many on here over rated. And he certainly was not beat the Trey Lance.
They need to bring in another QB for more competition.

But here it is for further discussion.

Grier and JMil are here because they make league min. 1M

 

[DuncanIso]

Lance's problems are between the ears.
SF gave up the house for him, but they did not realize that he was mental.

He’s in LA with Harbaugh.

He doesn’t have problems.

 

[DuncanIso]

This year's QB class is not good. Teams are going to overdraft prospects this year out of need and end up with new versions of Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky.

Yup.

We let Rush and Lance walk because we couldn’t pay them.

Any QB we get is cheap.

 

[DuncanIso]

I can't believe some still think Lance was better than Rush.

You really think Jerry made that high profile move all by himself and paid Lance all that money to sit behind someone worse than him?

He is better.

Dual threat with a cannon arm.

He’s in LA now.

 

[Sheepherder]

You all know what I think of Dak. No reason to go over that again. However I find myself intrigued by Tommy Mellott out of Montana St. I would jump on him as UDFA for sure. Supposedly Sean McVay likes him FWIW so maybe there is something there.

Well, all of this is kind of confusing because Stephen made the statement that they were planning on drafting a qb this year.

 

[Typhus]

Grier definitely better than Rush, probably not as safe with the ball but at least he had an arm and mobility.

Please share with those of us that are unaware, just some Grier footage, just curious how you can make that assessment without showing something relevant about Grier that we could use in comparison.

 

[Typhus]

He’s in LA with Harbaugh.

He doesn’t have problems.

Will be interesting how that plays out actually, spot on.

 

[DallasInDC]

Well he was never playing with any good talent. Same as Lance. They typically gave Rush the better personnel to play with. That’s how it felt anyway.

He's been on 6 different teams over 6 years...he had 52 career passing attempts with a 33 rating and 0-4 td-int ratio and 53% completion %. He has never spent more than 2 years on a team (Cowboys and Panthers)...what about that says he even deserves to be in the league as a practice squad player let alone a 3rd string back up. He doesn't even have potential to hang his hat on.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He's been on 6 different teams over 6 years...he had 52 career passing attempts with a 33 rating and 0-4 td-int ratio and 53% completion %. He has never spent more than 2 years on a team (Cowboys and Panthers)...what about that says he even deserves to be in the league as a practice squad player let alone a 3rd string back up. He doesn't even have potential to hang his hat on.

I’m just speaking on what I saw from
Him. Whether he deserves to be in the league or not I’m not arguing. I’m perfectly fine with having a bad backup. I’m not interested in winning games if my franchise qb gets hurt.

 

[Hadenough]

I've never trusted the front office when it comes to QBs. I don't think they gave Lance enough of a chance. I hope Milton gets some more of a chance than Lance. Grier is a #3 QB. To be honest if the front office was going to go after a QB like Lance it should of been Darnold and they might of had some serious leverage against Dak. When Bakerfield was let go he should of been brought here as a #2 with a chance to beat out Dak. The Cowboys just seem content to let QBs play out thier career here.

 

[rags747]

I've never trusted the front office when it comes to QBs. I don't think they gave Lance enough of a chance. I hope Milton gets some more of a chance than Lance. Grier is a #3 QB. To be honest if the front office was going to go after a QB like Lance it should have been Darnold and they might have had some serious leverage against Dak. When Bakerfield was let go he should have been brought here as a #2 with a chance to beat out Dak. The Cowboys just seem content to let QBs play out thier career here.

Baker would have been an absolute out of the park Homerun with the Cowboys.

 

[rags747]

Please share with those of us that are unaware, just some Grier footage, just curious how you can make that assessment without showing something relevant about Grier that we could use in comparison.

Will Grier's final game with the Dallas Cowboys occurred on August 26, 2023, during the team's preseason finale against the Las Vegas Raiders. In a standout performance, Grier completed 29 of 35 (83%) passes for 305 yards and two touchdowns, achieving a 122.0 passer rating. He also rushed for 53 yards and added two rushing touchdowns, contributing to the Cowboys' 31–16 victory .

Yea yea yea it was preseason where he was playing behind 6th team OL and 8th team receivers and rb’s. The fact of the matter is that he is On the team and Rush is not, there is that! Ty…

 

[McKDaddy]

To be honest I think the back half of the year we saw Schottenheimers fingerprints all over the offense. Everything he has talked about this offseason is whats on tape for the majority of those games.

Run first approach? Yes
Run/Pass balanced formations? Yes
WR short splits? Yes
Increased motion? Yes
Movement on the OL? Yes

Not to say that he doesn't have some additional wrinkles up his sleeve or learned from some of the repetitive tendencies, but there was a significant evolution of the offense in 2024 and a lot of it aligns with Schottenheimers past offenses as what he discussed in his opening press conference.

The fact that any modern football organization would allow the answer to be NO to any of those is wild. But we're just a "football" organization in name.

 

[McKDaddy]

I've never trusted the front office when it comes to QBs. I don't think they gave Lance enough of a chance. I hope Milton gets some more of a chance than Lance. Grier is a #3 QB. To be honest if the front office was going to go after a QB like Lance it should of been Darnold and they might of had some serious leverage against Dak. When Bakerfield was let go he should of been brought here as a #2 with a chance to beat out Dak. The Cowboys just seem content to let QBs play out thier career here.

They absolutely have had the opportunity to grab some legit competition & insurance. Just like for years they bypassed legit S free agents when we desperately needed better S play.

 

[blueblood70]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/...picy-qb2-battle-between-joe-milton-will-grier

He says, what Dak said, if he had to play a game, he could.
I call BS. In another article it said, Dak says that, but most likely he could not.
I even seen another article, claiming he had a slight set back, and the tear is still not completely healed being attached to the bone. I need to try to find that one.

Walker is implying there may be a battle for QB 2, between Grier and Milton. I say it is not close. Grier was not as good as Rush, who many on here over rated. And he certainly was not beat the Trey Lance.
They need to bring in another QB for more competition.

But here it is for further discussion.

First of all, that we really need to remind each other that every person heals differently they rehab differently, and all the injuries could be slightly different from anything you read on what the recovery time is, but this literally said post-surgery 3 to 5 months of rehab...we are in month 5 post-surgery for Dak..

How do you know he's not ready to play a game you sound like not a very trusting person why would Prescott say that when it's unnecessary the game is until September?

That's why if you look around the league I don't know 10ACL surgeries 7 of them come back early and never have a set back and then we have a handful that have problems that take some longer mentally physically maybe it's their weight their bigger guys maybe just their bodies don't heal the same. Case in point you remember when Gallup had his injury and surgery it was the same exact injury in surgery that Tampa Bay wide receiver Godwin had, and he came back and had a really solid year, a Good year, now he's the same player he's always been, and yet Gallup never recovered fully..

BTW I like to remind people at 48 years old I had my ACL replaced, literally 6 months later, I pretty much could have gone back Full-go at the very thing that took me out, which was doing inverts on a boat wakeboarding, But tried my best to follow doctor's orders, and not do anything full out until 9 months..​

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In which I did which is odd because around here everyone keeps saying it takes a year to 18 months for these players to bounce back, and at 55, I'm still doing the same things now.. I do wear a brace just for mental purposes but I never had a setback, and guess what I never followed through with the whole rehab process, the insurance only covered like 5 of them, and I decided it is to do it on my own which wasnt ,much besides flexibility cords to get my full range of motion back. ..​

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I had no professional doctors and rehab specialists and trainers 24/7 365 days a year that's available to these guys.. so, you're saying that guys can't come back sooner and I'm saying yes, they can... I mean again I was 48 years old i'm not a honed athlete, and yet I do participate in many extreme sports and at six months post acl, I was back on a snowboard and on a wakeboard and doing normal stuff just not on the level at full go but if I can do it, so can they, they can do it better...​

So, before we come untrusting pessimists maybe he is ready to play a game but it's not necessary because there is no game and we haven't seen a guy playing preseason in quite a while especially coming off an injury, so I doubt you're going to see Prescott until game one, other than practices and scrimmages...


Any and I say he's going to be fully ready to go mentally and physically for game one no setbacks nothing.

 

[sbark]

You all know what I think of Dak. No reason to go over that again. However I find myself intrigued by Tommy Mellott out of Montana St. I would jump on him as UDFA for sure. Supposedly Sean McVay likes him FWIW so maybe there is something there.

Yup
But....as a Edleman type slot recvr

Qb...nope

 

[blueblood70]

I can't believe some still think Lance was better than Rush.

You really think Jerry made that high profile move all by himself and paid Lance all that money to sit behind someone worse than him?

I don't believe that's what's happening....

, Here's my argument with that, I look at this as lack of opportunity and rush was in his way cooper Rush had no ceiling dudes only who he is right now trey Lance still has the opportunity to be better.

The problem is teams give up on their players early like Justin Fields and Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield et cetera et cetera but Gino Smith is the poster boy for this..

I believe if a team was patient and they literally had the time to let him play all 17 games he would show improvement he might even be a pretty decent quarterback and yes I think he's better than Cooper Russ because his ceilings better he's a better athlete and he just needs time cooper rush has a better quarterback brain that he's been doing at nine years and he's always been just a backup and a fringe starter at best and that's all he'll ever be he has no redeeming qualities other that he can read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go..

But Lance in my eyes it's just Milton I mean Milton is a little bigger I think he has some upside but moving from one to the other is not that big a deal there's not a big gap not at this point anyway but sure Milton may be given a better opportunity because guess what he doesn't have a progress stopper right now as a veteran on this team like Cooper Rush did to Lance..

Trey lance should have went to ufl or CFL and really got some time and then came back because I believe he has some upside there's a reason that San Francisco traded 3 1st round picks to go get him there's a reason Dallas thought he can be fixed here and gave a 4th rounder for him there's a reason he's being paid $6.5 million as a charger...

I'm not saying he's going to end up being a great player or a really good starter but I do believe he can be better than Cooper Rush giving the opportunity... I'm not hating on Cooper rush but I am being honest the man is just not that good of an athlete he doesn't have a lot to offer there's a reason he was stuck on the Cowboys for almost nine years nobody else wanted him and finally now which is very odd choice for the Ravens I think they're the ones who should have went after Lance or Milton because of their offense those guys are closer to Lamar Jackson..


But guys like Kim who didn't have a lot of time in college they need reps and when teams give up so fast nowadays even on higher draft picks at the quarterback position it's crazy how they just discarded them and then keep looking for more they're not patient enough IMHO .

 

[jazzcat22]

How do you know he's not ready to play a game you sound like not a very trusting person why would Prescott say that when it's unnecessary the game is until September?

So, before we come untrusting pessimists maybe he is ready to play a game but it's not necessary because there is no game and we haven't seen a guy playing preseason in quite a while especially coming off an injury, so I doubt you're going to see Prescott until game one, other than practices and scrimmages...

It has nothing to do with trusting a player in what they say. It is just logical.
If he is supposedly jogging, not running. It does not sound like he could play. Not after 5 months, if it is a 5 month recovery.
That time does not mean fully healed

And as you said you felt like you could do what you needed to do after 6 months. But your doctor said 9 months. Sure Dak probably feels he could play, but the doctors probably told him 9 months as well.

I too had some major surgery on both achilles and other tendons and ligaments in my feet and ankles. After all my rehab, I felt I could do things I normally could, but knew I really could not. And did not, under doctors orders.

So why is being untrusting being a pessimist? True, we never see Dak or other starters until game 1. Then they always have some sort of injury, even if they are our 3 or 4 weeks.

 

[DuncanIso]

I don't believe that's what's happening....

, Here's my argument with that, I look at this as lack of opportunity and rush was in his way cooper Rush had no ceiling dudes only who he is right now trey Lance still has the opportunity to be better.

The problem is teams give up on their players early like Justin Fields and Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield et cetera et cetera but Gino Smith is the poster boy for this..

I believe if a team was patient and they literally had the time to let him play all 17 games he would show improvement he might even be a pretty decent quarterback and yes I think he's better than Cooper Russ because his ceilings better he's a better athlete and he just needs time cooper rush has a better quarterback brain that he's been doing at nine years and he's always been just a backup and a fringe starter at best and that's all he'll ever be he has no redeeming qualities other that he can read a defense and get the ball where it needs to go..

But Lance in my eyes it's just Milton I mean Milton is a little bigger I think he has some upside but moving from one to the other is not that big a deal there's not a big gap not at this point anyway but sure Milton may be given a better opportunity because guess what he doesn't have a progress stopper right now as a veteran on this team like Cooper Rush did to Lance..

Trey lance should have went to ufl or CFL and really got some time and then came back because I believe he has some upside there's a reason that San Francisco traded 3 1st round picks to go get him there's a reason Dallas thought he can be fixed here and gave a 4th rounder for him there's a reason he's being paid $6.5 million as a charger...

I'm not saying he's going to end up being a great player or a really good starter but I do believe he can be better than Cooper Rush giving the opportunity... I'm not hating on Cooper rush but I am being honest the man is just not that good of an athlete he doesn't have a lot to offer there's a reason he was stuck on the Cowboys for almost nine years nobody else wanted him and finally now which is very odd choice for the Ravens I think they're the ones who should have went after Lance or Milton because of their offense those guys are closer to Lamar Jackson..


But guys like Kim who didn't have a lot of time in college they need reps and when teams give up so fast nowadays even on higher draft picks at the quarterback position it's crazy how they just discarded them and then keep looking for more they're not patient enough IMHO .

You should compare the draft profiles for Lance and Milton.

Not even close.

Harbaugh watched Lance play in their Preseason game.

that's why they are paying him QB2 money in LA.