Group Chat: Drafting an OT in the 1st and do TE's take the next step up

Taking an OT in the first wouldn't be a bad idea. Have Steele, Guyton and the rook battle it out for the OT starting spots with the loser being the swing tackle. Handing the LT job to Guyton wasn't the best of plans.

As for the TEs, I have to believe that concussion Ferg suffered wasn't fully healed when he returned. From what I heard it was a really nasty one. Schoon could make a significant jump in quality of play, and be TE1 if Ferg doesn't get back to 2023 form.
The problem is though you currently have two starting tackles. I believe if this team felt they were true weaknesses they should’ve made Tyler LT.

I hate how they built this team because if they did what they were suppose to do in free agency we would be able to take a tackle and improve on a unit instead of forcing holes.

I also think we’ve invested enough firsts in that line. This team needs to start finding good linemen in other rebounds. I think they could one in Beebe. Let’s find another.
 
Drafting an OT now is giving up on Guyton. It's too early to do that. Bring Tyron Smith in to coach Guyton and use the 12 pick on a sexier offensive pick like WR or RB.
 
Drafting an OT now is giving up on Guyton. It's too early to do that. Bring Tyron Smith in to coach Guyton and use the 12 pick on a sexier offensive pick like WR or RB.
It’s not. You can put Membou or Campbell at RG for year and kick them to LT next season and shift Guyton to RT

I’m not a fan of OL at 12. But the value is too good to pass
 
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Some good opinions about drafting an OL in the 1st round. Or going with who they have. Giving Richards a chance to compete.
There are other guys on this team also like Nate Thomas, I believe is a tackle? Waletzgo and Richards... However I do believe they'll replace Edoga with another veteran tackle either at training camp or when one gets released they will have a veteran swing tackle... That is their MO they typically have a veteran at that spot..
 
Taking an OT in the first wouldn't be a bad idea. Have Steele, Guyton and the rook battle it out for the OT starting spots with the loser being the swing tackle. Handing the LT job to Guyton wasn't the best of plans.

As for the TEs, I have to believe that concussion Ferg suffered wasn't fully healed when he returned. From what I heard it was a really nasty one. Schoon could make a significant jump in quality of play, and be TE1 if Ferg doesn't get back to 2023 form.
I absolutely am dead set against it ,

but hey we're all entitled to have discussions and debates I think this is not going to be the year they do that we cannot waste trying to rebuild the skill positions I know it's important don't explain to me how the trenches are so important well the defensive tackle might be more important than the offensive tackle given we have quite a few to choose from embodies on the offensive line especially really we're only looking for rotational pieces unless something happens and I believe they will give this its full view through training camp and preseason if they need to they will bring in a veteran tackle I don't believe that Guyton and Steele are both losing their starting jobs but something could happen where Dighton moves to right tackles steel becomes the swing tackle and they go get a veteran...

They want to pick up a tackle they think is worth it in later rounds then go ahead somebody can slip through the cracks but I'm looking at the first three Browns and going it must be BPA but it also must be filling big needs....

I mean you guys act like they've done nothing on the offensive line and I could tell you that the whole things almost been rebuilt the last five seasons I don't care if the players were the ones you wanted but they've been addressing it...

I mean Tyler smith, Guyton, and BeeBee the last 4 years alone. Most likely all three will be starters of the future that's two thirds of your line.. And Hoffman looks like a good bridge guy and steel has some question marks.

add Nate Thomas, bass, Hoffman, Ball, Waletzko, Peters, Jones, Shipley, Edoga, and The guy they just brought over I think he's another guard I can't pronounce his name I mean how many more names I'm missing here I mean they've been bringing in guys so... It's not like they've been ignoring it they're working on it...

I'm agreeing with the other people around here I think we have some players, and it made me the same starting 5 this year but the difference would be scheme and coaching and I believe that's a big deal...
 
Once again, let's try just coaching for a year. Shall we?
I concur. I mean, if they believe the missou kid or campbell is the next Tyron or Zack then sure. But I believe oline, maybe more than any other group can be made or broken by good or bad coaching. I think Steele under philban was 5 times better than steele under solari. Don't need him to be Erik Williams, just get him back to pre injury Steele. Too early to scrap Guyton too. All the traits in the world if 2 oline gurus in adams and riley can't help him then we'll discuss.
 
Of course we should be looking at OL early, just like we should be looking at DL early...and of course we won't do either
 
I am mixed on a OL early. Im not debating the need for hitting on 1 but maybe the scouting department could do a better job at finding them later it doesn't always have to be a first rounder. I look across the league and not everyone has multiple first rounders that are excelling some are later. I think they definitely need to make WR their priority followed by CB and RB. After that they can draft trenches galore.

It wouldn't upset me if they used the 12th pick on OL if they still addressed the other positions with a quality guy. I just think the talent level decreases at WR after round 1 and some of the CBs as well and some of them are coming off injuries.
 
It’s not. You can put Membou or Campbell at RG for year and kick them to LT next season and shift Guyton to RT

I’m not a fan of OL at 12. But the value is too good to pass
IT IS..NO im OUT on an early OT.. And you're really suggesting now which we already solidified the center and have so many options inside that we should draft a tackle the future but not use him we should put him inside no that means he's not ready to be a tackle we could have done that with Guyton,

I mean you're advice Just seems to be throwing ideas at the wall they're not good ideas.. I mean in my opinion we absolutely need no help inside right now and yes the tackles need to grow up grow into their position or get replaced but I'm still not drafting 1 early I think they're going to roll with what we have they're going to go through training camp scrimmages see what it looks like then play around with the lineup if needed for the couple preseason games if they feel they're in trouble they will find a veteran tackle to replace one of them I find it hard to believe that both tackles with this new scheme and coaching are both getting replaced they have plenty of film they know who look good who look bad what they were supposed to be doing more than just fans using their eyes you know like why Jerry thinks we have the worst tandem in football and I believe his standards aren't looking at Guyton as a rookie left tackle was a tough position if you judge him by rookie standards he was not bad..

He was indeed not great , not consistently good but not terrible ... I believe he's coachable I believe in year two weight room in a better mental place coaching staff working with them more I think he's going to be a lot more comfortable in Guyton we'll probably be okay even if they we have to move in the right tackle again it's fixable..

The team looked a lot better the last eight games of the year on the offensive line once they figured out the rotations that's why the run game improved; it wasn't horrible, it wasn't great either, but having an entire offseason working together with a new coaching scheme, I believe it'll start out that way instead of just end that way...
 
I’m failing to see how the OL is such a problem.

Yes, the starters need to play better and be more cohesive as a unit, but last year included two rookies playing new positions and a HOFer on his last legs….so it’s bound to improve. The depth/backups aren’t so bad IMO.

The problem is the line on the other side, and Im nearly positive it’ll continue to be.
 
IT IS..NO im OUT on an early OT.. And you're really suggesting now which we already solidified the center and have so many options inside that we should draft a tackle the future but not use him we should put him inside no that means he's not ready to be a tackle we could have done that with Guyton,

I mean you're advice Just seems to be throwing ideas at the wall they're not good ideas.. I mean in my opinion we absolutely need no help inside right now and yes the tackles need to grow up grow into their position or get replaced but I'm still not drafting 1 early I think they're going to roll with what we have they're going to go through training camp scrimmages see what it looks like then play around with the lineup if needed for the couple preseason games if they feel they're in trouble they will find a veteran tackle to replace one of them I find it hard to believe that both tackles with this new scheme and coaching are both getting replaced they have plenty of film they know who look good who look bad what they were supposed to be doing more than just fans using their eyes you know like why Jerry thinks we have the worst tandem in football and I believe his standards aren't looking at Guyton as a rookie left tackle was a tough position if you judge him by rookie standards he was not bad..
The Cowboys have very good depth inside, but I would also argue that they dont really have a high ceiling player to put at RG. Multiple very capable players, but no one that cant be upgraded either.

The difference in drafting a guy like Campbell or Membou early and putting them at G instead of doing that with Guyton is that Guyton is physically built to play outside. Campbell has shorter arms that some scouts think may force him to G anyways. Membou at 6'4" 330lbs is your ideal NFL guard size. Hes enough of an athlete that a team will probably try him at RT first, but its very possible he is a guard in the long run as well. As for Guyton he is tall and very slender for a G. There are some exceptions as Sam Cosmi is one of my favorite guards in the league at 6'7" 310lbs, but not many guys with that type of build excel on the inside.
 
The Cowboys have very good depth inside, but I would also argue that they dont really have a high ceiling player to put at RG. Multiple very capable players, but no one that cant be upgraded either.

The difference in drafting a guy like Campbell or Membou early and putting them at G instead of doing that with Guyton is that Guyton is physically built to play outside. Campbell has shorter arms that some scouts think may force him to G anyways. Membou at 6'4" 330lbs is your ideal NFL guard size. Hes enough of an athlete that a team will probably try him at RT first, but its very possible he is a guard in the long run as well. As for Guyton he is tall and very slender for a G. There are some exceptions as Sam Cosmi is one of my favorite guards in the league at 6'7" 310lbs, but not many guys with that type of build excel on the inside.
yeah, you want shorter guys inside so its a lot harder for the DTs to get under them

my ideal guard is around six two and 310 with legs like tree trunks
 
OL and DT should be top priority until they've got it fixed. This has been and issue for far too long.
Look as much as trenches are important and I'll agree with that you cannot keep throwing players and names at the issue over and over high draft picks and free agents and ignore the rest of the positions sometimes you have to just wait for development for some of these guys...

If they go into every offseason and only think about defensive tackle and offensive lineman this is where we're at with no number two wide receiver they didn't even get a single running back last year... There are other positions that don't need to be addressed as well so you just can't keep going to that well I get what you're saying but at some point that would be way being myopic and only thinking about two positions now you just keep doing what they're doing and eventually like safety and like corner it starts to fall in place..
 

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