Group Chat: Drafting an OT in the 1st and do TE's take the next step up

I wouldn't target the position in the first round but if Will Campbel slides to the 12th then I don't see how you can't take him.

I think it all comes down to where the QBs are going to be taken.

I've seen quarterbacks move speedily up the rankings around this time before the draft.

If three QB's are taken before #12, then it will be Disneyland.

Even better would be more than one team wanting to move to the #12 spot to get a quarterback. You could throw the value chart out at that point.

So then the question comes, what do the Cowboys do if a top player slides while teams are offering a package of picks for the #12 spot?

Most of our questions are irrelevant and it all depends on how the draft unfolds.
 
fivetwos said:
I’m failing to see how the OL is such a problem.

Yes, the starters need to play better and be more cohesive as a unit, but last year included two rookies playing new positions and a HOFer on his last legs….so it’s bound to improve. The depth/backups aren’t so bad IMO.

The problem is the line on the other side, and Im nearly positive it’ll continue to be.
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As much as I would like to share that optimism around the OL I suspect by week 3 that we will be wishing it was addressed better over the offseason. Granted I haven't done enough of a deep dive on the new guys like Jones/Charles, but we have two tackles that really struggle in pass protection, and two interior players in Beebe/Hoffman who really struggle when on the move. The only guy I would say is truly above average at their position is Tyler Smith. Both tackles are below average starters, Beebe is pretty average at center last year, and Hoffman is a bit of a wild card, but most likely a lower tier starting caliber player just due to some limitations.
 
plasticman said:
I wouldn't target the position in the first round but if Will Campbel slides to the 12th then I don't see how you can't take him.

I think it all comes down to where the QBs are going to be taken.

I've seen quarterbacks move speedily up the rankings around this time before the draft.

If three QB's are taken before #12, then it will be Disneyland.

Even better would be more than one team wanting to move to the #12 spot to get a quarterback. You could throw the value chart out at that point.

So then the question comes, what do the Cowboys do if a top player slides while teams are offering a package of picks for the #12 spot?

Most of our questions are irrelevant and it all depends on how the draft unfolds.
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'Athletic left tackle prospect who's durable and battle-tested but has elements of high risk, high reward in his game. Campbell is a thumping run blocker who can clear out B-gaps with forceful down blocks and displace base blocks with his “strike and run” technique. He struggles to win laterally, though. He will lunge and miss against stunts and movement. Campbell operates with good athleticism and agility in pass protection but is way too leaky against inside moves. He has a jarring, heavy punch and can latch in to control the rep. However, he has short arms and when he’s beaten to first action, the footwork and technique go out the window, forcing him to scramble and survive to save the pocket. His play is determined, spirited and aggressive, which works in his favor, but Campbell must learn to vary his pass-set technique and operate with optimal hand timing in order to thrive at tackle instead of being moved to guard. '

Well that might be the problem in the NFL they do look at that and some of his other negatives are he gets out of place on speed rushers better at run blocking right now that he is going against the speedy pass rushers on the edge.... He's the first round guy but there might be people that allow him to slip down guys like TJ Watt did.... Are you guaranteeing this guy's I can't miss prospect that you take at 12 we need a day one starter at #12..
 
JW82 said:
I concur. I mean, if they believe the missou kid or campbell is the next Tyron or Zack then sure. But I believe oline, maybe more than any other group can be made or broken by good or bad coaching. I think Steele under philban was 5 times better than steele under solari. Don't need him to be Erik Williams, just get him back to pre injury Steele. Too early to scrap Guyton too. All the traits in the world if 2 oline gurus in adams and riley can't help him then we'll discuss.
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Yeah, I think they will throw these guys back into a zone system. And you're going to see immediate improvement, I would hope.
It's funny because 5 or 10 years ago I hated zone blocking with a passion, but when today's defensive fronts are changing every 2 seconds zone is the only way to go less thinking, more action.
 
Would not hate LT as the first pick because the current best LT on the team is playing guard.
But I would prefer a run stopping DT as the first pick.
With all that said they would need the best plug n' play LT prospect available.
Not some tackle/guard/center flex type. A true LT.
There's plenty of interior linemen already onboard to be coached up by Riley that aren't scrubs.
As for tight ends they've already got plenty with varying skillsets that can be effective.
No to another TE being drafted.
 
If Membo or Campbell fall to 12 they have to consider taking them or trading down. Those are consensus top 8 players in the draft.
 
We have a legit LT on the team in Tyler Smith. Yes, he's a great guard. But it's about putting the best 5 on the field.
 
Carson said:
It’s not. You can put Membou or Campbell at RG for year and kick them to LT next season and shift Guyton to RT

I’m not a fan of OL at 12. But the value is too good to pass
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So, you're giving up on Terrence Steele.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
As much as I would like to share that optimism around the OL I suspect by week 3 that we will be wishing it was addressed better over the offseason. Granted I haven't done enough of a deep dive on the new guys like Jones/Charles, but we have two tackles that really struggle in pass protection, and two interior players in Beebe/Hoffman who really struggle when on the move. The only guy I would say is truly above average at their position is Tyler Smith. Both tackles are below average starters, Beebe is pretty average at center last year, and Hoffman is a bit of a wild card, but most likely a lower tier starting caliber player just due to some limitations.
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You’d know better than I would….and as far as optimism? I wouldn’t dare lol.

I’d simply figure that the rookies will improve in year two, and it seemed that the line played much better toward the end of the year when Hoffman replaced a cooked Martin and I didn’t think Richards was as terrible as Edoga or when they tried Steele at LT for a bit some years ago.

Rather than being a praise of the OL, it’s more of an indictment to the interior of the defense, which is going to be then downfall per usual. That’s where they need to focus or the rest of the discussion is moot.

How many seasons in a row are they supposed to get stomped up the gut yet keep drafting corners?
 
JoeKing said:
So, you're giving up on Terrence Steele.
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Honestly that really should be the goal. It's pretty lucrative for the Cowboys to find a replacement for Steele and move on next offseason. Even pre injury he was mediocre at best in the pass game, and going into his age 28 season odds are slim that a major jump forward in performance happens. Decent player, but if you can find a better player and save $14M next offseason you do it.
 
fivetwos said:
You’d know better than I would….and as far as optimism? I wouldn’t dare lol.

I’d simply figure that the rookies will improve in year two, and it seemed that the line played much better toward the end of the year when Hoffman replaced a cooked Martin and I didn’t think Richards was as terrible as Edoga or when they tried Steele at LT for a bit some years ago.

Rather than being a praise of the OL, it’s more of an indictment to the interior of the defense, which is going to be then downfall per usual. That’s where they need to focus or the rest of the discussion is moot.

How many seasons in a row are they supposed to get stomped up the gut yet keep drafting corners?
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To be fair Beebe very well could take that next step and it gives you a legitimate strength up the middle with him and Smith there. Guyton I'm a little more worried about just because even with improvement hes a low end starter. That kid has the ability, and I hate to sound like im throwing the towel in, but I wouldnt even guarantee him a starting position based on last years results. I'm also more luke warm on Hoffman where as some are very high on the guy.

I do agree with you though that we have bigger issues. Sucks to say that because it creates a bit of a hopeless feeling for 2025, but really the Cowboys have holes at nearly every level of both their offense and defense.
 
StuckMojo said:
2 out of last 3 drafts have been Oline
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Correct and all the undrafted free agents and free agents been a lot of lineman so it is time to take care of the skill players for once and let this new scheme play itself out with the lines.. I mean in my opinion they could easily once they get the draft out of the way have a better picture going into these camps and heading into training camp if they feel they need to pick up a veteran left tackle to be a swing tackle or a starter they'll go find one from but they're going to give their playing a chance and I don't think they have any desire to pick a tackle high in this draft.. Could be a smokescreen but they seem to be heavily leaning towards a wide receiver with maybe Graham at defensive tackle or Will Johnson at corner but I'm not hearing a whole lot about OL...
 
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