Guys, trade draft gurus, what about this scenario

[cowboyjoe]

First, guys let me say, I am all for staying where we are in the draft at 22 and 28, if a player falls in our lap at say 17 to the 19th pick, then i say go get him, if you think this player is another emmitt smiith or warren sapp, even randy moss was drafted at 21st pick, so if a impact player there in that range, go get him, thats what this teams needs a impact player.

However if a player doesnt fall, then stay at the 22nd and 28th picks

Or what about this scenario, the 22nd pick, stay in that range, but say miami dolphins call to trade up or say the atlanta falcons call, and want to trade up, what about that trade then,

my question is this, if we trade down from the 28th pick to miami, what picks in trade consideration should we get? then if we trade down to atlanta, we all know that the falcons need a QUARTERBACK BAD, say a top qb falls how much could we demand for trading down, and still not drop too far down to get a wr, cb or rb, with the 22nd pick of course we would get one of those positions too, since the strength of the draft is at RB and CB, a real bad need for us.

i do know that atlanta and miami have these extra picks in 2nd round;
2nd round

* Atlanta has a #2 from Houston (QB Matt Schaub)
* Miami has a #2 from San Diego (WR Chris Chambers)

which would make atlanta have better picks for us to me, if we could get atlantas 2 # 2 picks for trading down, also, maybe we can make some kind of deal for deangelo hall, whom is saying now if he doesnt get an extension, then he demands to be traded, he can really help us at cb and punt returner

what do you guys think, i think that the cowboys are going to draft a rb in 2nd round, because if you guys remember the cowboys interviewd chris johnson twice at the bowl game. So, i say look for the cowboys to draft a wr and cb or cb and wr with their first 2 picks. If they do trade down, look for chris johnson to be drafted anwhere from 28th pick to high 2nd round.

 

[Longboysfan]

For either of those trades - I would like to get their #1 pick next year and a 3rd rounder this year.

I know it's kind of crazy... But we thought the same thing last year with Cleveland.

Where are the Atlanta picks in the second round?

 

[DawnOfANewD]

Or what about this scenario, the 22nd pick, stay in that range, but say miami dolphins call to trade up or say the atlanta falcons call, and want to trade up, what about that trade then,

my question is this, if we trade down from the 28th pick to miami, what picks in trade consideration should we get? then if we trade down to atlanta, we all know that the falcons need a QUARTERBACK BAD, say a top qb falls how much could we demand for trading down, and still not drop too far down to get a wr, cb or rb, with the 22nd pick of course we would get one of those positions too, since the strength of the draft is at RB and CB, a real bad need for us.

i do know that atlanta and miami have these extra picks in 2nd round;
2nd round

* Atlanta has a #2 from Houston (QB Matt Schaub)
* Miami has a #2 from San Diego (WR Chris Chambers)

which would make atlanta have better picks for us to me, if we could get atlantas 2 # 2 picks for trading down, also, maybe we can make some kind of deal for deangelo hall, whom is saying now if he doesnt get an extension, then he demands to be traded, he can really help us at cb and punt returner

Wouldn't you think though with the vast number of holes both MIA and ATL have that they'd want to retain as many draft picks as they can, and perhaps even acquire more by trading down themselves? Parcells seems to be doing a major reno in MIA wanting to get that team younger and more athletic, not to mention moving it to a 3-4 D. Seems like he'd want to load up on defensive players in the draft so he can get the transition to a 3-4 starting as soon as possible.

 

[cowboyjoe]

ok atlantas own pick is from 34 to 37, and atlants pick from houston is 48th,

im thinking say the qb falls to late 28th pick and they are desperate to get him, then miami, so they trade us both their 2nds and maybe a 4th to 5th, and maybe deangelo hall in that deal, what then?

 

[BigDave95]

ok atlantas own pick is from 34 to 37, and atlants pick from houston is 48th,

im thinking say the qb falls to late 28th pick and they are desperate to get him, then miami, so they trade us both their 2nds and maybe a 4th to 5th, and maybe deangelo hall in that deal, what then?

That would be WAY too much to give up.

#28 = 660

#35 = 550
#48 = 420

It might be conceivable for them to give up their 2nd and 3rd for our #22 but my guess is they'll be looking to fill multiple holes and we'll be happy to pick at #22.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

i don't understand what your saying we trade out of the 1st round one to miami one to atalant for their 2nd round pick?

 

[Nightman]

which would make atlanta have better picks for us to me, if we could get atlantas 2 # 2 picks for trading down, also, maybe we can make some kind of deal for deangelo hall, whom is saying now if he doesnt get an extension, then he demands to be traded, he can really help us at cb and punt returner

I was thinking the exact same thing. Miami, Baltimore and Atlanta may not want to use a top ten pick on a QB, but may want to get back in the 1st round to get one.(just like Cleveland last year). But I wouldn't want picks next year. I would take D Hall and a second from Atlanta for our #22 in a second.

 

[BigDave95]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Miami, Baltimore and Atlanta may not want to use a top ten pick on a QB, but may want to get back in the 1st round to get one.(just like Cleveland last year). But I wouldn't want picks next year. I would take D Hall and a second from Atlanta for our #22 in a second.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Jerry use our #22 and a 3rd to jump up a few spots for the CB he wanted. And then use our #28 to slide back a few picks and get a high 3rd. There will be good RB's and WR's available all through the 2nd.

Miami, Atlanta, Kansas City, and Baltimore could all be looking for a QB in the early second and might need to leapfrog each other to get the one they want. Look at picks 23-27:

Pittsburgh
Tennessee
Seattle
Jacksonville
San Diego

None of those teams is taking a QB in the first. There's no real need for a team to trade up to #22. Sit tight and move up to #28. Brohm might still be there or maybe someone will want to jump up for Henne.

 

[Nightman]

One of those teams from #23-27 could easliy try to do the same thing and trade down. MIA, Balt, Car, Atl, Chi and Minn could all use a QB and have early 2nd round picks. I'm not saying it will happen this way, but if it does we should defintely exploit it.

 

[THUMPER]

Wouldn't you think though with the vast number of holes both MIA and ATL have that they'd want to retain as many draft picks as they can, and perhaps even acquire more by trading down themselves? Parcells seems to be doing a major reno in MIA wanting to get that team younger and more athletic, not to mention moving it to a 3-4 D. Seems like he'd want to load up on defensive players in the draft so he can get the transition to a 3-4 starting as soon as possible.

I assume by "major reno" you mean a large scale renovation but when I read it all I could think of of was Custer's 2nd in command at the Little Bighorn. That had a whole different connotation... :laugh2:

 

[Jay]

Hell NO to Deangelo Hall. He is not good, don't base his performance off of ESPN highlights or Pro Bowl appearances. He takes way too many chances and I'd give it 2 weeks in a Cowboys uniform before this board explodes with posts.

Think Roy Williams x10000

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think if we move down, at all, it would be to move our 28th down a little bit and pick up an extra second rounder. I can't see us moving from 22 to out of the first round with that pick. Maybe that's just me.

 

[cowboyjoe]

i didnt mean trade our 22nd to move down, i meant either stay at 22nd pick or move up from 22nd to 17th or in that range if a really good player falls like emmitt smith did or warren sapp, even randy moss was taken at 21st pick.

what i meant was, if a top QB is there, and a team like either atlanta calls or miami which now your window for trading is cut down to 10 minutes not 15 like it was, and say you get 2 teams wanting to trade for your 28th pick, then you would have more bargaining power, i do feel that parcells may try to trade up into 1st round if he can, but again, dont trade down with our 22nd pick, maybe trade up some, but not much, dont give away the farm

and if a team like miami or atlanta that has 2 extra rounds picks, with their own number 2 picks, then maybe that is feasible, im not sure about deanglo hall, but that also maybe, if we do trade down some, then you would have an extra # 2 pick to trade for WR roy williams from detriot, example,

and you would still have a # 2 pick to acquire another position. i like the ideal of possibly having 3-4 picks, the first day to get some good players,

hey, even if one of those extra picks is a high # 3 pick, then on the next day, when guys have fallen, you would have that pick to get someone that has fallen, kinda like in previous days, the 4th round was the next day on drafting, now it will be the 3rd round.

thats how you build through the draft, having extra picks to make trades or drafting players, like jimmy johnson did with dallas in the early 90s.

remember when we got jason witten, we were drafting high in the 3rd round and he was there if we were picking like we will this year, with our late 3rd rounder, we cant get a player like witten,

im not for trading one of our first rounders for a number one, i think we are not that far from being a super bowl contender, what we need is some players like when we traded for charles haley, or like last year, when new england got randy moss in a trade, and traded for wesley welker, wr, they got one good impact player in moss and one good slot wr in welker,

i am open minded though, they always say the 3rd time is the charm, we will have traded now twice our number one for a future number one, when we traded to buffalo and to cleveland last year, but it didnt pan out

why i was mentioning atlanta, they are a team in disaray, just dont have talented players on their team, so they arent going to do good next year, so if they offer their future number one, i dont have a problem with that,

now with miami, i dont want to take a chance on that, remember we were always 5-11 a bunch of years before parcells arrived, he got us to 9-7 first year he was here, if we trade our number one again, id rather it be someone like atlanta, that i dont see them making the playoffs

I AM GOING ON RECORD AND SAYING THIS, I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF JERRY DID TRADE FOR A FUTURE # ONE PICK, HE MIGHT EVEN TRADE AWAY, PACKAGE OUR FUTURE # ONE, 2 PICKS AND GET SOMEONE THIS YEAR, REMEMBER NOW JERRY DID SAY THAT HE DIDNT HAVE A PROBLEM TRADING OUR NUMBER 1,2 AND 3 TO GET A PLAYER IN THE DRAFT, HE JUST DIDNT SEE IT LAST YEAR, BUT HE DID SEE THAT POSSIBLY HAPPENING, SO SOME TYPE OF THAT SCENARIO MIGHT HAPPEN, WE TRADE OUR FUTURE # 1, 2 and possibly # 3 picks this year, but trade our 28th pick down our away for a future number one next year, that way we would pick higher pick then our own pick next year,