Hageman Laced with Marinelli Theory

[CowboysLaw87]

So as the Donald train continues to pick up speed, I'm looking for other contingency options. Mike Mayock tweeted out some really strong praise for Ra'Sheed Hageman today... calling him a rare talent. The guy apparently traveled to the Wisconsin pro day today to meet with coaches and scouts, and some in the "Twitter Draft" world are whispering that he's turning the tide on his supposed lack of effort and immaturity.

This all got me to thinking... what's holding this guy back is that he doesn't do anything with purpose. His technique is unrefined and he doesn't maximize his immense physical potential. If we think so highly of Marinelli, wouldn't Rod be just the guy that would get someone like Hageman to become what he could be? In contrast, Donald is already there with his technique. He's a finished product. What makes guys like Hageman fall is that he's a wildcard... you're not sure how much he'll improve. But Marinelli would allow us to have confidence in his improvement, and the ceiling is an incredibly high one.

What do you guys think... should we target "high potential" DL because of our ace in the hole (Marinelli)? I'm very interested in Jeremiah Attaochu for the same reason.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I like what you are saying above, however my only concern is with our lack of depth and experience on the D-line is can we afford to take a chance on a "wildcard" like Hageman vs the proven product in Donald with his never stop proven motor?

 

[tm1119]

Hageman really reminds me a lot of Sheldon Richardson....sounds crazy and I'm sure some people will disagree. They have the same body type and both are extremely smooth athletes for such giant human beings. They even tested very similarly at the combine. I've been a Hageman guy since about November. However, Donald is also a special talent and I rate him a little higher. Hageman plus a 3rd in a trade down scenario though would also be pretty great

 

[funkytown]

Wish we could get Donald and Hageman.

 

[DFWJC]

Wish we could get Donald and Hageman.

One of those is dropping to the 28-40 range, IMO.

 

[jobberone]

You can't draft but so many what ifs esp in our position and you have to get them right. You don't have to have that many stars. You need solid players and solid depth and get your pass rush with one or two good or better rushers and then effort and rotation and matchups.

 

[xwalker]

So as the Donald train continues to pick up speed, I'm looking for other contingency options. Mike Mayock tweeted out some really strong praise for Ra'Sheed Hageman today... calling him a rare talent. The guy apparently traveled to the Wisconsin pro day today to meet with coaches and scouts, and some in the "Twitter Draft" world are whispering that he's turning the tide on his supposed lack of effort and immaturity.

This all got me to thinking... what's holding this guy back is that he doesn't do anything with purpose. His technique is unrefined and he doesn't maximize his immense physical potential. If we think so highly of Marinelli, wouldn't Rod be just the guy that would get someone like Hageman to become what he could be? In contrast, Donald is already there with his technique. He's a finished product. What makes guys like Hageman fall is that he's a wildcard... you're not sure how much he'll improve. But Marinelli would allow us to have confidence in his improvement, and the ceiling is an incredibly high one.

What do you guys think... should we target "high potential" DL because of our ace in the hole (Marinelli)? I'm very interested in Jeremiah Attaochu for the same reason.

It all depends on their evaluation of his mental makeup. If he has a MartyB personality, then they should pass. Unfortunately, the details of the player's mental makeup evaluation by teams is unavailable to the fans. We have to rely on speculation from the media.

 

[manster4ever]

He's a GOOD kid and a very nice talent. I saw him play at Minnesota a few times and he'd be a nice pickup in the 20's if we trade down. I don't think he should go 16th however...little too high. I think if we want Donald we very well might have to trade up and I don't think that's good business at this point. (which mean JJ probably will do just that)

 

[Gaede]

Classic boom/bust guy.

We liked Poe a few years back. Wouldn't be surprised if Hageman was high on our board.

Not a big fan myself.

 

[Alexander]

Classic boom/bust guy.

We liked Poe a few years back. Wouldn't be surprised if Hageman was high on our board.

Not a big fan myself.

Nor I. Freakish at times, but we need consistency. The footage I have watched of him, he disappears a lot and that is often against what I consider relatively weak Big-12 lines.

I would not doubt though that Marinelli has a potential nickname picked out for him.

 

[tm1119]

Nor I. Freakish at times, but we need consistency. The footage I have watched of him, he disappears a lot and that is often against what I consider relatively weak Big-12 lines.

I would not doubt though that Marinelli has a potential nickname picked out for him.

Hageman played in the Big 10 and aside from the obvious SEC I don't think any other conference produces more offensive lineman than the Big 10....interior line at least

He was also got double teamed routinely because he was probably the only nfl caliber player on his defense

 

[Zimmy Lives]

So as the Donald train continues to pick up speed, I'm looking for other contingency options. Mike Mayock tweeted out some really strong praise for Ra'Sheed Hageman today... calling him a rare talent. The guy apparently traveled to the Wisconsin pro day today to meet with coaches and scouts, and some in the "Twitter Draft" world are whispering that he's turning the tide on his supposed lack of effort and immaturity.

This all got me to thinking... what's holding this guy back is that he doesn't do anything with purpose. His technique is unrefined and he doesn't maximize his immense physical potential. If we think so highly of Marinelli, wouldn't Rod be just the guy that would get someone like Hageman to become what he could be? In contrast, Donald is already there with his technique. He's a finished product. What makes guys like Hageman fall is that he's a wildcard... you're not sure how much he'll improve. But Marinelli would allow us to have confidence in his improvement, and the ceiling is an incredibly high one.

What do you guys think... should we target "high potential" DL because of our ace in the hole (Marinelli)? I'm very interested in Jeremiah Attaochu for the same reason.

Wasn't this the same story on Poe a few drafts ago? I'd be willing to bet that RM can coach him up if he has all the measurables.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Classic boom/bust guy.

We liked Poe a few years back. Wouldn't be surprised if Hageman was high on our board.

Not a big fan myself.

Have no clue who he is or what he did at the Combine. What I do know is that Dallas needs a stud in the center of their D and if they feel he is a stud then they should draft him and let RM coach him up.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

To clear a couple things up...

1) I'm not at all advocating for us to take Hageman over Donald, despite my overall point.
2) This was meant to be less about Hageman and more about the overall idea of preferring guys with great physical potential who are raw, because RM gives us added confidence in their development.

Hageman reminds me of a couple guys that have come up recently... Muhammed Wilkerson and Michael Brockers. I think all these guys, due to their length/size, are better fits as 3-4 DE's though. But it's just nice to have the option of picking a gigantic, athletic DL with the confidence that RM will bring out the best in him. So with the exception of Donald, I'm sort of hoping we take a shot at talent v. polish down the board when it comes to the DL.

 

[garyv]

I think the truth here is Donald will not be available at #16. He will be long gone by than , so they better make alternative plans. Now in saying this if Donald is there they should rejoice and take him but I wouldn't bank on it !!!

 

[Bcrav4]

I agree with the OP, Hageman should be high on our radar because of Marinelli and also because of his own potential. At worst I think he would be a solid starter, and he is probably the best Donald backup plan.

 

[Leadbelly]

To clear a couple things up...

1) I'm not at all advocating for us to take Hageman over Donald, despite my overall point.
2) This was meant to be less about Hageman and more about the overall idea of preferring guys with great physical potential who are raw, because RM gives us added confidence in their development.

Hageman reminds me of a couple guys that have come up recently... Muhammed Wilkerson and Michael Brockers. I think all these guys, due to their length/size, are better fits as 3-4 DE's though. But it's just nice to have the option of picking a gigantic, athletic DL with the confidence that RM will bring out the best in him. So with the exception of Donald, I'm sort of hoping we take a shot at talent v. polish down the board when it comes to the DL.

I think your comparison players are pretty apt -- and he's very high on my list after Donald -- but I'd feel a lot better about Hageman if he were younger. He'll be 24 for the 2014 season. Redshirt Senior. Brockers was a redshirt Soph just scratching the surface. Wilkerson left early. Sheldon Richardson left early. If we didn't have Marinelli, I wouldn't feel as secure with drafting Hageman.

He gets the boom-or-bust label from a lot of pundits, but i think that's falling into letting perfect be the enemy of good. 6'6"/320 DTs that move like him find a role in the NFL. We take chances with every other position but for some reason the stars have to align before we'll stoop to taking a DL that might need coaching up.

I'd much rather take Hageman over a meh OG like Zach Martin.