Hard Choices Abound for the Front Office

[big dog cowboy]

The idea that we can simply copy the Broncos is myopic. /quote]
I didn't say that. But whatever.

 

[Sydla]

Going with a RB in the 3rd round may get the job done, it also might not. It's time to put this offense on front street. Elliott is a sure thing especially with this offensive line.

Trent Richardson was a sure thing too.

So was Darren McFadden when he came out. McFadden was called Peterson II. People drooled over Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams coming out of Auburn.

 

[Sydla]

These College stats are completely irrelevant. Coleman can't even run a full route tree. I don't have a problem taking a WR early but Doctson is my guy.

So true.

I mean if we are going to add up stats, if I pair McFadden's 43 college TDs with Will Fuller's 30 college TDs, that's 73 TDs compared to the 78 Galian added up with Elliott and Coleman. But in my scenario, I get to use my first round pick on defense!!!!

 

[TrailBlazer]

I wouldn't say they are irrelevant. They are very relevant. It shows the most important skill for an offensive player, the ability to score points.

We don't need Coleman to be a complete receiver day one, we need him to be a playmaker, and he has that in spades. You get this kid the ball in space, and he scores touchdowns. What are teams going to do if we have Elliott with this line, Dez Bryant, Witten, Coleman, and Williams? It's a tough situation for a defense and it results in points.

Numbers get inflated when you play for Baylor. Why do we need to spend premium resources on every offensive position? We have a top oline, top QB, top WR already. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. You can add a receiver but there isn't a lot of passes to go around between Beasley, Witten, Butler, maybe Escobar. The formula for success was proven in 2014. Need to get back to that. At some point you have to make a stop on defense. We need a pass rush and a playmaker in the secondary. I've watched all these RB'S and from a pure running standpoint you can find just as good a runner as Zeke in the 2nd-3rd rounds.

 

[Galian Beast]

Trent Richardson was a sure thing too.

So was Darren McFadden when he came out. McFadden was called Peterson II. People drooled over Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams coming out of Auburn.

Trent Richardson doesn't have anywhere near the resume as Ezekiel Elliot. He also had a great year his rookie year. Not sure what happened with Richardson, but he had some skill.

McFadden went to a wasteland in Oakland. If a better team had drafted him, he could have had an entirely different career.

Williams and Brown also don't have the same resume or success. I think is part of the problem with lumping top running back picks together. They aren't all the same.

 

[Galian Beast]

Numbers get inflated when you play for Baylor. Why do we need to spend premium resources on every offensive position? We have a top oline, top QB, top WR already. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. You can add a receiver but there isn't a lot of passes to go around between Beasley, Witten, Butler, maybe Escobar. The formula for success was proven in 2014. Need to get back to that. At some point you have to make a stop on defense. We need a pass rush and a playmaker in the secondary. I've watched all these RB'S and from a pure running standpoint you can find just as good a runner as Zeke in the 2nd-3rd rounds.

We had the lead NFL rusher in 2014... I agree let's get back to that.

 

[Sydla]

We had the lead NFL rusher in 2014... I agree let's get back to that.

Who was a third round pick and a guy some around here wanted to dump prior to the 2014 season.

 

[waving monkey]

Zeek also is one of the can't miss players

 

[Galian Beast]

Who was a third round pick and a guy some around here wanted to dump prior to the 2014 season.

And a guy who many still had a lot of issues with relative to injuries, fumbling, running to contact e.t.c.

Murray had a couple very good seasons with us, but he certainly wasn't a consistent contributor throughout his time here. Maybe some of that had to do with the coaching staff and his opportunities though, but I think getting a stud guy, who is your guy from day 1 has a big impact on how things play out.

 

[Sydla]

Zeek also is one of the can't miss players

If I had a nickle for every time someone claims Player A is a "can't miss". LOL.

 

[Sydla]

And a guy who many still had a lot of issues with relative to injuries, fumbling, running to contact e.t.c.

Murray had a couple very good seasons with us, but he certainly wasn't a consistent contributor throughout his time here. Maybe some of that had to do with the coaching staff and his opportunities though, but I think getting a stud guy, who is your guy from day 1 has a big impact on how things play out.

Exactly. Murray wasn't the ideal RB. He had his warts. But put him behind an OL like we had and he turned into a top flight TB for that year.

Given that, it seems foolish to think that the only way we can get a good running game is invest the 4th pick in the draft in a TB.

 

[Galian Beast]

Exactly. Murray wasn't the ideal RB. He had his warts. But put him behind an OL like we had and he turned into a top flight TB for that year.

Given that, it seems foolish to think that the only way we can get a good running game is invest the 4th pick in the draft in a TB.

i'm not saying that you can't find a running back in later rounds, what I'm saying is the probability is a lot slimmer than you would like to admit. We have a real opportunity here.

One of the biggest misnomers here is about longevity. You only get these players for 5 years regardless of their position, so the value of getting a running back vs a quarterback is really no different regardless of how long they last. After that initial contract they are free agents, and subject to the whole league save for tagging them.

 

[Sydla]

i'm not saying that you can't find a running back in later rounds, what I'm saying is the probability is a lot slimmer than you would like to admit. We have a real opportunity here.

One of the biggest misnomers here is about longevity. You only get these players for 5 years regardless of their position, so the value of getting a running back vs a quarterback is really no different regardless of how long they last. After that initial contract they are free agents, and subject to the whole league save for tagging them.

Actually I don't believe there is evidence to support the idea that the the chances of hitting on a TB is significantly greater if you take one in the Top 5 than say taking one in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[BigStar]

How much would it cost us to jump CLE to #1 slot?

 

[Aven8]

It would be a valid argument, my only response would be that I think Goff and Wentz are terribly overrated and in most years they wouldn't be considered first rounders, let alone top of the draft QBs.

I would say that Elliott is a much better fit for this team than Henry, and that waiting until the 3rd round makes it a lot less likely that you'll find someone who can come in right away and help this team.

I think adding a playmaker like Corey Coleman would give us something the Giants, Commanders, and Eagles have all had over us in the last few years, a real playmaker on offense with speed. Something our offense desperately needs.

One you don't know how Wentz and Goff are rated. We see what draftniks say, but not actual teams. I think Zeke is on par with Gurley myself. But you would be guaranteeing $26 million with that pick. That's way more than Demarco got! Also, Henry is perfect for this team to get back to our winning formula from 2014. Finally, I like Doctson more than Coleman.

 

[Sydla]

Yeah if you take Elliott at 4, he's going to get paid.

Amari Cooper was slotted at just under $23MM last year, fully guaranteed.

People keep acting like Elliott is a "cheap" option, when in fact, he'd end up costing almost as much at 4 as it would likely take to sign Lamar Miller.

 

[Galian Beast]

Yeah if you take Elliott at 4, he's going to get paid.

Amari Cooper was slotted at just under $23MM last year, fully guaranteed.

People keep acting like Elliott is a "cheap" option, when in fact, he'd end up costing almost as much at 4 as it would likely take to sign Lamar Miller.

I've said a few times, I'd want to trade down and get him at 7.

 

[conner01]

Drafting him gives us our 2014 offense, but better. It shouldn't be hard to create a defense better than the 2014 defense. I think this is the course we should take. Run the ball.

Improving the run game helps the defense. And we got plenty of picks and free agency to help even more
If we don't take a QB at 4 as I think we should do, then trading down and adding Elliott is certainly a viable route to go. Sign a couple of free agents and draft well and we could put together a competitive team

 

[big dog cowboy]

We had the lead NFL rusher in 2014

He had 80 more carries than LeSean McCoy and over 100 more carries than anyone else. He better have led the league. But his yearly total is decieving because he wore down as the season progressed and his YPC progressively slid.

 

[DandyDon52]

Zeke or bust! If this team is truly about giving Romo one/two more legit chances at the title Zeke is that chance imo.

he is too small and could turn out to be a bust.
Henry is more the type we need.