CFZ Has Dan Quinn become Wade Phillips?

[CCBoy]

The very next question is whether or not he takes his defensive backs coach with him to Wahington. That right now is a very, very important issue to resolve now.

 

[ShiningStar]

All Dan has to do is put together a good coaching staff, not micromanage the offense and with a good draft, be on par with the cowboys. wont take long to burst our empire.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I like Dan Quinn. No what anyone thinks of his defense’s atrocious performance against Green Bay in the playoffs, Dan Quinn rescued the Cowboys defense from the “Worst defense in team history” in 2020 to becoming a more than adequate unit the last 2-3 seasons.

In his defense - this year he was not exactly given a great set of LBs to work with, he lost his top CB to a knee injury, and the team’s 2023 #1 draft pick was a major disappointment in year one. (Can’t give up on Mazi yet but he did not have a good first year) Not making excuses, it’s just true that DQ‘s defensive gun was missing a bullet or two. No matter what, he is clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator IMO.

But I do wonder: Has Dan Quinn basically become Wade Phillips? A great defensive coordinator who should not be a head coach? We Cowboys fans watched the Wade Phillips years as our head coach with great pain. We saw a roster that Bill Parcells had molded into a top shelf #1 seed by 2007, only to watch in horror as that #1 seed in the NFC choked it all away in the divisional round vs the giants. And by 2010, after 3 and a half frustrating seasons with one wild card win, the team had quit on Wade.

Sadly, Wade Phillips was clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator. He eventually won a SB ring with Denver in 2015 as their defensive coordinator. Despite 3 tours of duty as an NFL head coach, Wade Phillips made it clear, he was a better coordinator than he was a HC. Is that true about Dan Quinn? I don’t know.

What’s sad for Dan Quinn is no matter what happens - if he’s hired by Washington tomorrow for example, he has clearly NOT been their first choice or they would have already hired him. If he is not offered the job in Washington has be become a second tier option like eventually Wade became? Again, if Washington really wanted Dan Quinn as their HC, they would have already hired him.

Either way, no matter what happens DQ does not look like the “hot commodity” coach in waiting but rather the second tier retread that’s available if a team can’t get who they wanted. That’s ultimately what Wade Phillips became. But to Wade’s credit, he also sports something very few other coaches have- a Super Bowl ring. Not as a HC but as a coordinator.

Time will soon tell if Dan Quinn is a HC again. Or the next Wade Phillips.

The concern with DQ appeared (and ive no idea about defensive schemes) to be that he had one (Nickel) system and when Offenses caught up, he was found wanting and couldnt adapt. It's fine having a system, but you need to adapt as the opposition works you out.

 

[JW82]

I like Dan Quinn. No what anyone thinks of his defense’s atrocious performance against Green Bay in the playoffs, Dan Quinn rescued the Cowboys defense from the “Worst defense in team history” in 2020 to becoming a more than adequate unit the last 2-3 seasons.

In his defense - this year he was not exactly given a great set of LBs to work with, he lost his top CB to a knee injury, and the team’s 2023 #1 draft pick was a major disappointment in year one. (Can’t give up on Mazi yet but he did not have a good first year) Not making excuses, it’s just true that DQ‘s defensive gun was missing a bullet or two. No matter what, he is clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator IMO.

But I do wonder: Has Dan Quinn basically become Wade Phillips? A great defensive coordinator who should not be a head coach? We Cowboys fans watched the Wade Phillips years as our head coach with great pain. We saw a roster that Bill Parcells had molded into a top shelf #1 seed by 2007, only to watch in horror as that #1 seed in the NFC choked it all away in the divisional round vs the giants. And by 2010, after 3 and a half frustrating seasons with one wild card win, the team had quit on Wade.

Sadly, Wade Phillips was clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator. He eventually won a SB ring with Denver in 2015 as their defensive coordinator. Despite 3 tours of duty as an NFL head coach, Wade Phillips made it clear, he was a better coordinator than he was a HC. Is that true about Dan Quinn? I don’t know.

What’s sad for Dan Quinn is no matter what happens - if he’s hired by Washington tomorrow for example, he has clearly NOT been their first choice or they would have already hired him. If he is not offered the job in Washington has be become a second tier option like eventually Wade became? Again, if Washington really wanted Dan Quinn as their HC, they would have already hired him.

Either way, no matter what happens DQ does not look like the “hot commodity” coach in waiting but rather the second tier retread that’s available if a team can’t get who they wanted. That’s ultimately what Wade Phillips became. But to Wade’s credit, he also sports something very few other coaches have- a Super Bowl ring. Not as a HC but as a coordinator.

Time will soon tell if Dan Quinn is a HC again. Or the next Wade Phillips.

I do think the 2020 D was an aberration. Covid, new staff, no offseason etc. but DQ turned them into an opportunistic, fun to watch, front running defense. But 3 years in and still was atrocious vs the run and every good team usually had their way with them. That can be blamed on front 7 personnel, but from everything we've heard he had a lot of input on the roster. Nice guy, solid DC not a schematic genius.

To your question, I can feel the Wade comparison.

 

[nate dizzle]

If you mean about to be replaced midseason...then yeah, probably.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Has Dan Quinn become Wade Phillips?

He always has been.

 

[DuncanIso]

Quinn only failed once as an NFL HC.
- Belichick failed in Cleveland...

Side Note: The Rams made it to the SB for the 2018 season with Wade as DC. Didn't win but still impressive for very late in his career.

Differences in Quinn and Wade:
Wade would never turn down an HC job like Quinn did last year.

Press conferences. It only took 1 to see that Wade shouldn't be a Head Coach.

Losing a SB isn’t failing.

 

[oldcorvetteguy]

I like Dan Quinn. No what anyone thinks of his defense’s atrocious performance against Green Bay in the playoffs, Dan Quinn rescued the Cowboys defense from the “Worst defense in team history” in 2020 to becoming a more than adequate unit the last 2-3 seasons.

In his defense - this year he was not exactly given a great set of LBs to work with, he lost his top CB to a knee injury, and the team’s 2023 #1 draft pick was a major disappointment in year one. (Can’t give up on Mazi yet but he did not have a good first year) Not making excuses, it’s just true that DQ‘s defensive gun was missing a bullet or two. No matter what, he is clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator IMO.

But I do wonder: Has Dan Quinn basically become Wade Phillips? A great defensive coordinator who should not be a head coach? We Cowboys fans watched the Wade Phillips years as our head coach with great pain. We saw a roster that Bill Parcells had molded into a top shelf #1 seed by 2007, only to watch in horror as that #1 seed in the NFC choked it all away in the divisional round vs the giants. And by 2010, after 3 and a half frustrating seasons with one wild card win, the team had quit on Wade.

Sadly, Wade Phillips was clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator. He eventually won a SB ring with Denver in 2015 as their defensive coordinator. Despite 3 tours of duty as an NFL head coach, Wade Phillips made it clear, he was a better coordinator than he was a HC. Is that true about Dan Quinn? I don’t know.

What’s sad for Dan Quinn is no matter what happens - if he’s hired by Washington tomorrow for example, he has clearly NOT been their first choice or they would have already hired him. If he is not offered the job in Washington has be become a second tier option like eventually Wade became? Again, if Washington really wanted Dan Quinn as their HC, they would have already hired him.

Either way, no matter what happens DQ does not look like the “hot commodity” coach in waiting but rather the second tier retread that’s available if a team can’t get who they wanted. That’s ultimately what Wade Phillips became. But to Wade’s credit, he also sports something very few other coaches have- a Super Bowl ring. Not as a HC but as a coordinator.

Time will soon tell if Dan Quinn is a HC again. Or the next Wade Phillips.

Depends on his choice of DC OC. And will he draft well. The players should like him. But it may take several years to get enough talent.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Hate to say it but I expect Quinn's Washington team to get to a SB before Dallas does.....

 

[Captain-Crash]

I'd take Wade in a bar room fight any day over backward hat boi.

 

[noshame]

DQ sadly WILL turn the commandos into winners.

 

[DuncanIso]

The concern with DQ appeared (and ive no idea about defensive schemes) to be that he had one (Nickel) system and when Offenses caught up, he was found wanting and couldnt adapt. It's fine having a system, but you need to adapt as the opposition works you out.

Everyone runs that 4-2-5 now.

It’s a passing league.

It puts pressure on the other teams QB. Especially when playing with a lead.

Creates a lot of turnovers.

He’s an elite DC.

Our loss.

 

[Ranching]

I like Dan Quinn. No what anyone thinks of his defense’s atrocious performance against Green Bay in the playoffs, Dan Quinn rescued the Cowboys defense from the “Worst defense in team history” in 2020 to becoming a more than adequate unit the last 2-3 seasons.

In his defense - this year he was not exactly given a great set of LBs to work with, he lost his top CB to a knee injury, and the team’s 2023 #1 draft pick was a major disappointment in year one. (Can’t give up on Mazi yet but he did not have a good first year) Not making excuses, it’s just true that DQ‘s defensive gun was missing a bullet or two. No matter what, he is clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator IMO.

But I do wonder: Has Dan Quinn basically become Wade Phillips? A great defensive coordinator who should not be a head coach? We Cowboys fans watched the Wade Phillips years as our head coach with great pain. We saw a roster that Bill Parcells had molded into a top shelf #1 seed by 2007, only to watch in horror as that #1 seed in the NFC choked it all away in the divisional round vs the giants. And by 2010, after 3 and a half frustrating seasons with one wild card win, the team had quit on Wade.

Sadly, Wade Phillips was clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator. He eventually won a SB ring with Denver in 2015 as their defensive coordinator. Despite 3 tours of duty as an NFL head coach, Wade Phillips made it clear, he was a better coordinator than he was a HC. Is that true about Dan Quinn? I don’t know.

What’s sad for Dan Quinn is no matter what happens - if he’s hired by Washington tomorrow for example, he has clearly NOT been their first choice or they would have already hired him. If he is not offered the job in Washington has be become a second tier option like eventually Wade became? Again, if Washington really wanted Dan Quinn as their HC, they would have already hired him.

Either way, no matter what happens DQ does not look like the “hot commodity” coach in waiting but rather the second tier retread that’s available if a team can’t get who they wanted. That’s ultimately what Wade Phillips became. But to Wade’s credit, he also sports something very few other coaches have- a Super Bowl ring. Not as a HC but as a coordinator.

Time will soon tell if Dan Quinn is a HC again. Or the next Wade Phillips.

I'll take Wade over Quinni. A heartbeat

 

[cowboyed]

Dan Quinn seems to be respected, something I didn't see in Marshmellow man. Wade Phillips was a yes man, and it was sad how the Cowboys and Garrett did him in.

Wade Phillips didn't get done in by the Cowboys and Garrett. He focused mostly on defense and had a tendency to over delegate in other facets of the head coach position. He was also head coach for the Denver Broncos and got fired there for losing control of the team. Was a great defensive coordinator for most of his career but not NFL caliber anymore in either past positions.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Everyone runs that 4-2-5 now.

It’s a passing league.

It puts pressure on the other teams QB. Especially when playing with a lead.

Creates a lot of turnovers.

He’s an elite DC.

Our loss.

But you can't play the 4-2-5 at the expense of defending the running game. It's not passing league any more (and certainly not against us).
Teams can't be formulaic and need to adapt....DQ appeared to have one defense (ill give him that he lost both starting LB's), but if you're weakness is at LB stopping the run teams will expose you.

 

[DuncanIso]

But you can't play the 4-2-5 at the expense of defending the running game. It's not passing league any more (and certainly not against us).
Teams can't be formulaic and need to adapt....DQ appeared to have one defense (ill give him that he lost both starting LB's), but if you're weakness is at LB stopping the run teams will expose you.

Yeah.

That 4-2-5 is weak vs run.

6 gaps for 2 LBs.

Rams killed us in the playoffs when Marinelli started using it.

Plus our DEs don’t contain the C gaps. They want that sack.

 

[DuncanIso]

Hate to say it but I expect Quinn's Washington team to get to a SB before Dallas does.....

He will definitely get their D in attack mode.

 

[acr731]

I like Dan Quinn. No what anyone thinks of his defense’s atrocious performance against Green Bay in the playoffs, Dan Quinn rescued the Cowboys defense from the “Worst defense in team history” in 2020 to becoming a more than adequate unit the last 2-3 seasons.

In his defense - this year he was not exactly given a great set of LBs to work with, he lost his top CB to a knee injury, and the team’s 2023 #1 draft pick was a major disappointment in year one. (Can’t give up on Mazi yet but he did not have a good first year) Not making excuses, it’s just true that DQ‘s defensive gun was missing a bullet or two. No matter what, he is clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator IMO.

But I do wonder: Has Dan Quinn basically become Wade Phillips? A great defensive coordinator who should not be a head coach? We Cowboys fans watched the Wade Phillips years as our head coach with great pain. We saw a roster that Bill Parcells had molded into a top shelf #1 seed by 2007, only to watch in horror as that #1 seed in the NFC choked it all away in the divisional round vs the giants. And by 2010, after 3 and a half frustrating seasons with one wild card win, the team had quit on Wade.

Sadly, Wade Phillips was clearly an outstanding defensive coordinator. He eventually won a SB ring with Denver in 2015 as their defensive coordinator. Despite 3 tours of duty as an NFL head coach, Wade Phillips made it clear, he was a better coordinator than he was a HC. Is that true about Dan Quinn? I don’t know.

What’s sad for Dan Quinn is no matter what happens - if he’s hired by Washington tomorrow for example, he has clearly NOT been their first choice or they would have already hired him. If he is not offered the job in Washington has be become a second tier option like eventually Wade became? Again, if Washington really wanted Dan Quinn as their HC, they would have already hired him.

Either way, no matter what happens DQ does not look like the “hot commodity” coach in waiting but rather the second tier retread that’s available if a team can’t get who they wanted. That’s ultimately what Wade Phillips became. But to Wade’s credit, he also sports something very few other coaches have- a Super Bowl ring. Not as a HC but as a coordinator.

Time will soon tell if Dan Quinn is a HC again. Or the next Wade Phillips.

2007 wasn't Wade's fault entirely. The players, specifically Romo, Witten, and whomever else thought the trip to Cabo was a good idea, take the brunt of the blame for their lack of focus. Wade takes the blame for not getting the players in the right mindset. But if you remember, this was the 1st season of the 'Camp Cupcake' years, so anyone who was paying attention saw the writing on the wall and when the circus really started rolling.

Sure, Wade get's the lions share of the blame from that point on, but who is the person truly responsible for allowing the culture and commitment to go to crap like it did? Jerry wants to be everyone's best friend instead of their boss, and 17 years later the franchise is still trying to get their crap together.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Yeah.

That 4-2-5 is weak vs run.

6 gaps for 2 LBs.

Rams killed us in the playoffs when Marinelli started using it.

Plus our DEs don’t contain the C gaps. They want that sack.

....and not a knock on Bell, but he's no more than a speed-bump vrs the run.
Despite his limitations LVE would have provided a stabilising/insurance MLB around which Damone, Bell and Overshone are given more license.
Remembering in 2023 Damone was a different LB when paired with LVE (over Barr), as LVE had that limited set play in the middle given Damone more freedom.
That's the one knock on Micah as MLB, he's likely to be too aggressive.
To be fair the DQ, the issue at LB and against the run started with personnel.

 

[shabazz]

3 full season and still couldn't figure out how to stop the run.

Either blame him or the players.