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I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but it's something a little under the radar. A few days ago Marcellus Wiley said the reason for the late season collapse wasn't the fault of players or coaches or even the owner but the blame was placed on Joe Jurasek the strength and conditioning coach. Simply put he believes that the conditioning wasn't sufficient enough to help the body go through a season without being fatigued/ out of gas/unenthusiastic down the stretch. Joe jurasek took over in 97 and we haven't won in the later parts of seasons since 96. We've been dreadful in December and could this be why? I dont think it's a coincidence.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2625638 said:
I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but it's something a little under the radar. A few days ago Marcellus Wiley said the reason for the late season collapse wasn't the fault of players or coaches or even the owner but the blame was placed on Joe Jurasek the strength and conditioning coach. Simply put he believes that the conditioning wasn't sufficient enough to help the body go through a season without being fatigued/ out of gas/unenthusiastic down the stretch. Joe jurasek took over in 97 and we haven't won in the later parts of seasons since 96. We've been dreadful in December and could this be why? I dont think it's a coincidence.

The proof?

Joe Juraszek has been the strength coach for the last 13 years. We have not won in the playoffs in 13 years.
 

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IIRC Parcells said that Joe was one of the best he had ever seen.
 

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hendog;2625669 said:
IIRC Parcells said that Joe was one of the best he had ever seen.

He did, and Parcells is a fanatic about that position. He told Jerry that was the most important person on his staff.
 

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i think its more to do with the coaches, especially head coach wade philips has the players practice, remember no hitting in training camp in pads the first 25 days, and remember, coach cupcake phillips let the players off some extra days during the season.

you cant run a pro football team like that,
 

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cowboyjoe;2625696 said:
i think its more to do with the coaches, especially head coach wade philips has the players practice, remember no hitting in training camp in pads the first 25 days, and remember, coach cupcake phillips let the players off some extra days during the season.

you cant run a pro football team like that,


But...but..but...it's all about family, not the team!! :cool: Wade does not coach players, he works with them!

But...to Wade's credit, he did sign a contract with a "time clause" in it.
 

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This is an interesting post.

Maybe it is just me, but for the last 15 years, it always looked like we were playing in molasses in December and the other team was on track shoes.

It definitely seemed that Balt and Philly had more explosiveness, but no one looked as Explosive as Dallas in the first 3 weeks of 2007 or 2008. Even Campo years started out better than they finished.

Hard to tell, but some linemen and LBs just look beat after thanksgiving, but other teams don't.

It's either heart or that.
 

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McLovin;2625717 said:
This is an interesting post.

Maybe it is just me, but for the last 15 years, it always looked like we were playing in molasses in December and the other team was on track shoes.

It definitely seemed that Balt and Philly had more explosiveness, but no one looked as Explosive as Dallas in the first 3 weeks of 2007 or 2008. Even Campo years started out better than they finished.

Hard to tell, but some linemen and LBs just look beat after thanksgiving, but other teams don't.

It's either heart or that.
we were fine against Baltimore we just didn't execute. remember Romo throwing a pass just out of reach of a wide open Miles Austin that would've gone for a td is just one example. against Philly they just quit after Philly went up 17-3 and didn't want it as bad as philly.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2625638 said:
I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but it's something a little under the radar. A few days ago Marcellus Wiley said the reason for the late season collapse wasn't the fault of players or coaches or even the owner but the blame was placed on Joe Jurasek the strength and conditioning coach. Simply put he believes that the conditioning wasn't sufficient enough to help the body go through a season without being fatigued/ out of gas/unenthusiastic down the stretch. Joe jurasek took over in 97 and we haven't won in the later parts of seasons since 96. We've been dreadful in December and could this be why? I dont think it's a coincidence.

interesting point
 

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Chocolate Lab;2625671 said:
He did, and Parcells is a fanatic about that position. He told Jerry that was the most important person on his staff.


Yep. And we had very few injuries when Parcells was coach (and in Phillips first season) with the same exact strength and conditioning staff.

I would chalk it up to some bad luck and running things too lax... ie, players probably weren't encoraged to work out as often and as hard as they were with Big Bill. Plus, the padless practices didn't toughen anyone up, that's for sure.
 

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we were fine against Baltimore we just didn't execute. remember Romo throwing a pass just out of reach of a wide open Miles Austin that would've gone for a td is just one example. against Philly they just quit after Philly went up 17-3 and didn't want it as bad as philly.

Could be, I just remember Mason torching Henry and the OL not getting any real drive.

Of course that game really turned on the INT/punt before Halftime and the missed Fumble recovery by Hamlin > Fake FG > TD. Then we were playing catch up. The cherry was not stopping 2 late 4th Q 70yd runs, but we should have been up and made them be 1 Dim as a passing team...anyway

Still OP may make a good point
 

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AsthmaField;2625733 said:
Yep. And we had very few injuries when Parcells was coach (and in Phillips first season) with the same exact strength and conditioning staff.

I would chalk it up to some bad luck and running things too lax... ie, players probably weren't encoraged to work out as often and as hard as they were with Big Bill. Plus, the padless practices didn't toughen anyone up, that's for sure.


This what I think too!

The players were to "coddled" by the Wade. No hitting in practice? WTH?


Letting players off for a day after a loss? WTH?

You can work out in the weight room all you want, get strong, get big...but when it comes time to execute against other teams that do practice in pads and are used to it...you lose.
 

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I think it is a combination of issues.

Players getting full of themselves, "eating the cheese".
The additional pressure from the media, coaches and Jerry to win.
Players lacking heart and sucking it up for the team.
Bad drafts.
Bad players.
Bad coaching decisions.

The list goes on and on why the Cowboys have faltered down the stretch and not won in the playoffs.
 

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McLovin;2625739 said:
Philly - Balt -

Could be, I just remember Mason torching Henry and the OL not getting any real drive.

Of course that game really turned on the INT/punt before Halftime and the missed Fumble recovery by Hamlin > Fake FG > TD. Then we were playing catch up. The cherry was not stopping 2 late 4th Q 70yd runs, but we should have been up and made them be 1 Dim as a passing team...anyway

Still OP may make a good point


I'm confused.
 

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AsthmaField;2625733 said:
Yep. And we had very few injuries when Parcells was coach (and in Phillips first season) with the same exact strength and conditioning staff.

I would chalk it up to some bad luck and running things too lax... ie, players probably weren't encoraged to work out as often and as hard as they were with Big Bill. Plus, the padless practices didn't toughen anyone up, that's for sure.

Ya and we also had horrible Decembers with them also.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2625638 said:
I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but it's something a little under the radar. A few days ago Marcellus Wiley said the reason for the late season collapse wasn't the fault of players or coaches or even the owner but the blame was placed on Joe Jurasek the strength and conditioning coach. Simply put he believes that the conditioning wasn't sufficient enough to help the body go through a season without being fatigued/ out of gas/unenthusiastic down the stretch. Joe jurasek took over in 97 and we haven't won in the later parts of seasons since 96. We've been dreadful in December and could this be why? I dont think it's a coincidence.

Last time I checked Jurasek doesnt run practices, doesnt run meetings, doesnt read defenses, doesnt miss tackles or fumble footballs
 

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dbair1967;2625895 said:
Last time I checked Jurasek doesnt run practices, doesnt run meetings, doesnt read defenses, doesnt miss tackles or fumble footballs

Let me get this straight. You give full credence to the idea that Jerry is at fault for the December troubles but you do not give any credence to the idea that if the team falters down the stretch that it might be because they are not properly conditioned?
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2625903 said:
Let me get this straight. You give full credence to the idea that Jerry is at fault for the December troubles but you do not give any credence to the idea that if the team falters down the stretch that it might be because they are not properly conditioned?

actually I was blaming the players and coaches themselves

there isnt a conditioning problem with the players...there's an effort and heart problem
 

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SLATEmosphere;2625638 said:
I dont know if this has been mentioned before, but it's something a little under the radar. A few days ago Marcellus Wiley said the reason for the late season collapse wasn't the fault of players or coaches or even the owner but the blame was placed on Joe Jurasek the strength and conditioning coach. Simply put he believes that the conditioning wasn't sufficient enough to help the body go through a season without being fatigued/ out of gas/unenthusiastic down the stretch. Joe jurasek took over in 97 and we haven't won in the later parts of seasons since 96. We've been dreadful in December and could this be why? I dont think it's a coincidence.

I said from day one that it was an interesting angle and I would not be shocked at all if there is truth behind it. I was shot down right away by many.

For those claiming that he's not the reason because Parcells said so...we all know that the Tuna can be wrong. I'm not saying he is. But do not discredit this solely because of his view on Joe J.

I'm not saying Joe J is the reason. All I'm saying is there is evidence that is somewhat supporting what Wiley was saying.
 
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