Have the skins become the NFC East's "Arizona"

[Bob Sacamano]

This is the year that establishes whos return to NFL football was more successful, Gibbs or Parcells.

Of course 2005 will mean absolutely nothing if there is a crash and burn in 2006. Just as Parcells return to the NFL will be considered a failure if the Cowboys don't make the playoffs this year.

exactly, that's why I don't get why your cohort said what he said, of course they have to go out and do it again to earn respect

 

[RiggoForever]

Consider also that Gregg Williams has a knack for helping average talent explode under his watch/schemes (see Marcus Washington, Lemar Marshall, Cornelius Griffin, Joe Salave'a, Antonio Pierce).

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Average talent? All I ever hear is how great Taylor, Rogers, Washington, and Springs are. Then you say Greg WIlliams makes average talent explode??? C'mon man which is it?

Looking at the threads at extremeskins back when you boys were 5-6, Greg Williams could have run for mayor of DC and lost to a crack addict......er uh, sorry that actually happened. I meant GW could have run for mayor against a dead body and lost.

Taylor would be a great player on any team. He's that good. Springs is also very talented as well as Rogers, two very high 1st round picks.

I'm talking about the players on our defensive line and linebackers. Washington wasn't an All Pro until he came to DC. Lemar Marshall was undrafted. So was Antonio Pierce. Salave'a was a 4th rounder.

To take a defense and move it up about 20 spots to 3rd in the NFL in ones first season as DC, with a bunch of free agents, is pretty remarkable.

I saw people here calling for Zimmers and Parcells head during low points of the Cowboys season as well. Such is the nature of fans of all teams.

 

[RiggoForever]

wouldn't it actually have been easier for Carter to rush the passer as a 3-4 rush LB since he wasn't grappling with OTs every down?

I think the 3-4s effectiveness is only there if there is size on the front line. That wasn't the case in SF.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think the 3-4s effectiveness is only there if there is size on the front line. That wasn't the case in SF.

last year it was pretty good

 

[RiggoForever]

Yeah, he better have some good cover skills...he better learn how to cover that behind of his...when Bubba from Cell Block C comes looking for the punk!

LOL. That was pretty funny

 

[AsthmaField]

To take a defense and move it up about 20 spots to 3rd in the NFL in ones first season as DC, with a bunch of free agents, is pretty remarkable.

There is no doubt that Williams is a very good defensive coordinator. Much of what he's done there in Washington has been smoke and mirrors. He hasn't always had talent to work with.

Like you say, Taylor has talent. Springs has some, although I think Williams' schemes have helped him out some. Rogers presumably has talent, although he didn't light it up last year. Griffin has talent too, and Washington.

However, 3/4th's of your D Line has been somewhat less than stellar throughout Williams' time in DC. Wynn, Evans, Daniels, etc. at DE just isn't very good. Although I don't think Carter is that good, he's a real step or two above who you've had there at DE... so he should help. Salave'a isn't real talented, but I think he's better than a lot of people give him credit for... at least in Williams' system. Still, he isn't a world beater. Overall, the line has been pedestrian except for Griffin, who is good, but not great.

The fact that Williams gets what he gets out of that group is a testement to his coaching ability and schemes. There's no doubt that he's good.

The LB's, while easy to plug and play in a 4-3, always seem to play good for Gregg too.

Without Williams the Commanders would've lost a lot more ballgames over the last few seasons than they did. You better be damn glad he didn't take a head coaching job somewhere.

 

[RiggoForever]

There is no doubt that Williams is a very good defensive coordinator. Much of what he's done there in Washington has been smoke and mirrors. He hasn't always had talent to work with.

Like you say, Taylor has talent. Springs has some, although I think Williams' schemes have helped him out some. Rogers presumably has talent, although he didn't light it up last year. Griffin has talent too, and Washington.

However, 3/4th's of your D Line has been somewhat less than stellar throughout Williams' time in DC. Wynn, Evans, Daniels, etc. at DE just isn't very good. Although I don't think Carter is that good, he's a real step or two above who you've had there at DE... so he should help. Salave'a isn't real talented, but I think he's better than a lot of people give him credit for... at least in Williams' system. Still, he isn't a world beater. Overall, the line has been pedestrian except for Griffin, who is good, but not great.

The fact that Williams gets what he gets out of that group is a testement to his coaching ability and schemes. There's no doubt that he's good.

The LB's, while easy to plug and play in a 4-3, always seem to play good for Gregg too.

Without Williams the Commanders would've lost a lot more ballgames over the last few seasons than they did. You better be damn glad he didn't take a head coaching job somewhere.

I agree. The 2004 season was pure torture as a Skins fan, because the defense would keep us close in nearly every game, but the offense couldn't do anything.

It was much like the playoff game against Tampa Bay, except repeated game after game.

I agree, the defensive line isn't that good in terms of raw talent. Some things like heart can't be measured though...as well as Salave'a's ability to bat balls at the line of scrimmage. Granted, he's no "Too Tall Jones" in that regard but he did make a difference (he tipped the interception Lavar made in the playoffs). We had alot of trouble pressuring the quarterback most of the season (including game 1 vs you). However the defense still hung tough, except when Taylor and Griffin were out of the lineup. Losing one or both of them makes our defense much more porous.

 

[Gamebreaker]

Carter and Archuleta are major upgrades? Please, know what you are talking about. The 49ers let Carter walk even though he is supposed to be this pass rushing phenom who has only had one good Season in his career. Archuleta was let go by a Rams team that has no defense? Can you name someone in the secondary besides Ty Hill?

Carter played as a linebacker last season, his natural position is DE. Futhermore, that disaster of a team had no idea what to do with talent, which is why Peterson didn't want to return.

On offense their offense is old on the Line and at QB, but they have some youth at the skill positions, yet have overpaid all of them.

So Moss and Portis are overpaid? How on the OL is old? None of them are over 30. :laugh2: Could you TRY to be accurate?

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

I smiled when I saw all the Commander love in this thread......

Half of you said, "no way dude the skins suck." and the other half who can remember the old games give'm props....

I can't wait till season......

P.S. ~ My Bills friend @ work thinks that Dallas won't win till they ditch Drew......who's the QB of the future?

 

[Rack]

I smiled when I saw all the Commander love in this thread......

Half of you said, "no way dude the skins suck." and the other half who can remember the old games give'm props....

I can't wait till season......

P.S. ~ My Bills friend @ work thinks that Dallas won't win till they ditch Drew......who's the QB of the future?

You're friend Bill is a moron. We were 9-7 last year with Bledsoe playing mostly on his back. If he had anything closely resembling "Blocking" we would of won the division.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

You're friend Bill is a moron. We were 9-7 last year with Bledsoe playing mostly on his back. If he had anything closely resembling "Blocking" we would of won the division.

Indeed he is a moron however his name is pete and he's a Bill's fan

P.S. He wasn't saying you guys wouldn't go 16-0 , he was saying you'd never get past the 1st round......

 

[Henry]

To be the Cardinals, a team would have to come in last place in the division about half the time. From 1990-2000 the Cards came in 5th place six times, and 4th place three times.

The Commanders from 2001-2004 were never in last place in the division, unless you count 2003 when they were tied with the Cowboys and Giants at 6-10.

Funny thing, though. The Cowboys during that same stretch came in last place twice. Three times if your count the aforementioned 2003.