Haynesworth's ripple effect will intrigue

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By John Clayton
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In his move from the Tennessee Titans to the Washington Commanders this offseason, Albert Haynesworth dreams of having the impact like Reggie White had when he left the Philadelphia Eagles for the Green Bay Packers 16 years ago. Why not think of the best in making one of the biggest moves in the history of free agency? The Commanders gave defensive tackle Haynesworth a contract that could end up being worth $100 million if he performs like a superstar. For years, I've been saying White, Rich Gannon and Deion Sanders were the greatest free-agent signings in NFL history. Drew Brees is making a case to be No. 4. Now Haynesworth will be one of the most interesting signings to follow over the next couple of years.

The flipside to free agency is what happens once a great player leaves a team. In Nashville, the Titans know their defense will be different without Haynesworth, who took over games with his dominating rushing skills. Coach Jeff Fisher, a master of player psychology, already has the Titans believing they can win without Haynesworth. He's stressing the team concept in replacing him. "We're going to keep four defensive tackles active and rotate them," Fisher said. "Albert played a little less than 59 percent of the snaps during his career. You have to look back and see that there were times we didn't have him and we still won. He was hurt and missed a lot of games. You are going to miss a great player like Albert, but you move on and you go on with the next guy stepping up."

During his seven-year career in Tennessee, Haynesworth missed 22 games. The defense surrendered an average of 40 more rushing yards a game when he was sidelined. Still, the Titans had the resolve to win. Fisher need only look back to Week 16 of last season, when the Titans faced the Pittsburgh Steelers, for proof that his team can excel without Haynesworth. Young lineman Jason Jones had a 3½-sack game against the eventual Super Bowl champions. The Titans won, 31-14, and the defense played well.

One of the big reasons for the Titans' success is defensive line coach Jim Washburn, one of the best teachers in the game. During Washburn's tenure, it's rare that a drafted defensive lineman gets a second contract with the team -- they're so coveted in free agency. They've drafted 18 since Washburn joined the team in 1999. Washburn's pupils are the envy of the league. The Titans have calculated that, through the years, Washburn defensive linemen have received $395.6 million in contracts.

Many never lived up to those numbers after leaving. Jevon Kearse wasn't as good with the Philadelphia Eagles as he was with the Titans. Now, he's returned to get back with Washburn. Randy Starks, John Thornton, Robaire Smith, Antwan Odom and Travis LaBoy were just a few drafted defensive linemen who never received second contracts with the Titans. Still, their best days were in Tennessee.

The plan this season is to have Tony Brown and Jason Jones as the starters and rotate in Jovan Haye and second-round pick Sen'Derrick Marks. "As long as the top three get the same number of plays," Fisher said, "we'll be fine. We're not concerned.'' The only defensive lineman not affected by the rotation is Kyle Vanden Bosch. His hustle is contagious to his teammates. Fisher plans to keep Vanden Bosch on the field the entire game. In 2008, Vanden Bosch missed six games because of injury and played less than 40 percent of the defensive snaps. Despite that, the Titans won 13 games and the AFC South.

But let's not minimize the loss of Haynesworth. Over the past two seasons, he took his game to the top level. Opponents would stack two or three blockers in front of him, yet Haynesworth still would crash the pocket and alter the offensive play.

His success was reflected in some of the numbers of other players. Take linebacker Keith Bulluck as an example. From 2002 to 2006, Bulluck averaged 138.6 tackles a season. Haynesworth put together his best two seasons in 2007 and 2008. Bulluck's tackle numbers dropped to 88 and 98 in those two seasons. "The last two years my numbers did go down because of the force Albert was," Bulluck said. "During those two years, Albert played on my side and so did Kyle Vanden Bosch. It's hard to make plays when you have two Pro Bowlers in front of you." Bulluck, plays the right side, watched so many opportunities get away from him the past two seasons. Haynesworth would blow up the right side of the blocking scheme with his bull rush. Vanden Bosch would slip around on the outside or inside. All of a sudden, the running back or quarterback would be flushed to the other side of the field, leaving Bulluck without much of a play. "I honestly feel I will make more plays without Albert in the mix," Bulluck said. "I feel as though I'm going to have my best season."

Of course, the Eagles felt they could survive without White. In 1992, the Eagles had a dominating defense with White. They were 11-5 and only surrendered an average of 275 yards per game. The next season, the Eagles' defense dropped from ranking sixth in the NFL to 17th. It surrendered an average of 38 more rushing yards per game, evidence that great players are hard to replace. The Eagles dropped to 8-8 and 7-9 in the two seasons after White left. The Packers' defense soared from being ranked 23rd the season before White arrived to second-rated overall in his first fall in Green Bay. White destroyed blocking schemes and set up a great Packers era that featured White on defense and Brett Favre on offense.

Seeing what the Commanders can do with Haynesworth and what the Titans will do without him will be one of the most interesting studies of the season.

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40 yards per game less on the ground per game is really impressive. But it's worrying that he misses so many snaps/games.
 

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The only ripple effect will be the loss of income in the Nashville restaurant industry. :laugh2:
 

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White was the best defensive end in football for 10 years, one of the top 10 DEs off all time, I cannot give such praise to Haynesworth though I do know he attempted to murder Andre Gurode three years ago with his cleat; he's lucky he failed as there were 70,000 witnesses present and another five or six million watching tv.
 

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Aikbach;2842358 said:
White was the best defensive end in football for 10 years, one of the top 10 DEs off all time, I cannot give such praise to Haynesworth though I do know he attempted to murder Andre Gurode three years ago with his cleat; he's lucky he failed as there were 70,000 witnesses present and another five or six million watching tv.

That's one of the few games I have missed in the last few years. I was on a plane to Phoenix and Hos was emailing me updates.
 

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White was a top 3 DE of all time. Personally I would take him over Bruce Smith any day of the week and given what little of Deacon Jones I've seen, I can't really compare the two. But White was freak...300 DE who could beat OT's with speed and certainly the power. Who can forget him lifting Larry Allen with one arm? Go re-watch the Packers vs. Pats Super Bowl, the Pats would put 2 guys on him to no avail and barely slowed him down putting 3 guys to help block him. Just amazing. White was great from day 1, Haynesworth was a bit of a disappointment coming out and just got terrific in the past 2 years. I just don't see the comparison to Reggie White. It's like comparing Rafael Palmeiro to Ted Williams.

Haynesworth should have been arrested after what he did with Gurode. A few years ago after a boxing match was done and they announced the judge's decision, one of the boxers sucker punched the other boxer and was promptly arrested. I'm not sure what the difference is between that and a 350 pound man trying to purposedly squish another guy's head. Unfortunately, the gutless Tags was in charge and only gave Haynesworth a 4-game suspension.





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Yeagermeister;2842230 said:
The only ripple effect will be the loss of income in the Nashville restaurant industry. :laugh2:

It might just be worth the investment for Snyder...after all, he does own Johnny Rockets...

It will be interesting to watch the effect Haynesworth has -- hopefully he's more Reggie White then Dana Stubblefield...
 

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Under Snyder, not one free agent he's ever bought has made a pro bowl.

Let that sink in.

When motivated, Haynesworth is a beast. But whats his motivation now? He's got the money. I think this is going to end up being one of the worst signings they've had. The writing is on the wall.
 

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AH says the money makes no difference since he is in love with the game of football.......I'm the same way personally, if I was paid, I still would want to go out and kill someone despite getting paid for it. Hopefully , that is his case too....
 

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Have you ever heard a player say otherwise?

The facts are the there. Before he was a free agent, he was average. When there were incentives built in to become a free agent, he played lights out.

Time will tell, but you can't tell me skins nation isn't worried about it.
 

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CowboyWay;2845541 said:
Under Snyder, not one free agent he's ever bought has made a pro bowl.

Let that sink in.

When motivated, Haynesworth is a beast. But whats his motivation now? He's got the money. I think this is going to end up being one of the worst signings they've had. The writing is on the wall.

While that is true, that also assumes the Pro Bowl is any kind of indication that a player is good...

You don't think Fletcher deserved the Pro Bowl last year?
Roy Williams went to 5 straight Pro Bowls.

Not saying Snyder is any kind of personnel evaluator, he's not, but the Pro Bowl is a joke.
 

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KINGBRICE_28;2845887 said:
skins nation....sure they are.....Me? Not in the least.....lol.....

You're incredibly naive. Fat Albert now has much fatter pockets, he will not be half the player you saw last year.

Oh, and he won't have the same supporting cast or coaching. And he'll be playing against the best division in football. Much better offensive line's in the east than in the AFC south.
 

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Sonny#9;2847703 said:
While that is true, that also assumes the Pro Bowl is any kind of indication that a player is good...

You don't think Fletcher deserved the Pro Bowl last year?
Roy Williams went to 5 straight Pro Bowls.

Not saying Snyder is any kind of personnel evaluator, he's not, but the Pro Bowl is a joke.

I totally agree. However there's a difference between a player worthy of a probowl bid, which Fletcher might be, and the list of probowlers that snyder has brought in who didn't pan out.
 

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CowboyWay;2848256 said:
I totally agree. However there's a difference between a player worthy of a probowl bid, which Fletcher might be, and the list of probowlers that snyder has brought in who didn't pan out.

2006 aside, I think they've been better at the FA game...but then again...after 2000, that's not saying very much...
 

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CowboyWay;2845541 said:
Under Snyder, not one free agent he's ever bought has made a pro bowl.

Marcus Washington in 2004...I KNEW there was one! ;)
 

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Yakuza Rich;2842402 said:
White was a top 3 DE of all time. Personally I would take him over Bruce Smith any day of the week and given what little of Deacon Jones I've seen, I can't really compare the two. But White was freak...300 DE who could beat OT's with speed and certainly the power. Who can forget him lifting Larry Allen with one arm? Go re-watch the Packers vs. Pats Super Bowl, the Pats would put 2 guys on him to no avail and barely slowed him down putting 3 guys to help block him. Just amazing. White was great from day 1, Haynesworth was a bit of a disappointment coming out and just got terrific in the past 2 years. I just don't see the comparison to Reggie White. It's like comparing Rafael Palmeiro to Ted Williams.

Haynesworth should have been arrested after what he did with Gurode. A few years ago after a boxing match was done and they announced the judge's decision, one of the boxers sucker punched the other boxer and was promptly arrested. I'm not sure what the difference is between that and a 350 pound man trying to purposedly squish another guy's head. Unfortunately, the gutless Tags was in charge and only gave Haynesworth a 4-game suspension.


Agree about Reggie. To me there isnt a close second. His ability to play anywhere on the line, due to his rare size, strength and speed combination. He was unblockable! A DL who had 21 sacks in the 12 game strike season.

Not to mention a couple of his best years were in the USFL.
 

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Apollo Creed;2847778 said:
You're incredibly naive. Fat Albert now has much fatter pockets, he will not be half the player you saw last year.

Oh, and he won't have the same supporting cast or coaching. And he'll be playing against the best division in football. Much better offensive line's in the east than in the AFC south.

All that factored in.....he still improves the team and barring injury shall be worth the money. Besides, with Danny's money magic he'll restructure in 2 seasons anyways....lol.....cap hell? what cap hell? I've been waiting for that to happen since 1998 ahahaaa

The difference between you and I is, I will have play by play game film and could sit down and prove to you his 2 gap capabilities free up other players moreso than the guy he replaced. You will point the finger and say "lookie lookie, he only had X sacks and Y tackles. I do this for a living......I have 65 gigs of game film on my media tower to my right.....breaking down Commanders film is no different to me..... ;)
 
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