Help for DL - Jabaal Sheard?

[ccb04]

Wouldn't mind seeing them at least explore/inquire about the possibility of trading for a guy like Sheard. No harm in asking.
Perhaps the trade could be something like a 2014 3rd, 2015 5th, and Kyle Wilber. Wilber's departure instantly opens up a roster spot for Sheard, and gives the Browns additional depth with some 3-4 OLB experience to go along with Quentin Groves behind Kruger & Mingo.

- Sheard very likely isn't in the Browns long-term plans. The current regime gave Kruger a pretty hefty deal to play the SOLB spot...and then drafted Mingo #6 overall to play opposite Kruger.

- While Sheard has been rehabbing a sprained knee...Mingo got his opportunity and has played pretty well overall as a starter.

- While his transition has went quite well, Sheard spent his first 2 seasons at DE and recorded 110 total tackles, 15.5 sacks and 6 forced fumbles in that time.

- He's under his rookie contract through the end of 2014, so he'd be affordable for the cap-strapped Cowboys in the short-term. That fact might make the Browns more reluctant to deal...but they would gain additional picks to continue to rebuild their team ala the Trent Richardson trade, while moving forward with 1st round pick Mingo opposite Kruger.

- At 24 y/o, Sheard could be both a short & long-term investment/solution...and either way, Dallas is going to have to draft a DT & DE at minimum. Getting Sheard would allow them to get a head start...and bring in help now. Not to mention, both Crawford & Bass will be back next year.

While DC Ray Horton likes Sheard & their rotation, the Browns FO has shown a willingness to deal...with team president Joe Banner saying that his goal in the draft is to have "a higher batting average" than other teams. They liked the value of the Richardson trade (who was the 3rd overall pick), despite the 1st rd. pick gained likely being fairly low via the Colts. Value they liked would of course have to be there in a trade, so perhaps Dallas could even potentially consider going a 2nd and Wilber (but not much more)...IF the initial offer was shot down.

 

[XxTDxX]

I actually tweeted broaddus about this yesterday.. I like him a lot and he is a terrible fit for the Browns new 3-4..

 

[XxTDxX]

Btw I love the proposed trade I would do that in a heartbeat.. Wouldn't be so bad for the Browns either seeing as Wilbur is probably a better fit at OLB and they would get 2 mid rounds picks out of it.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Make it happen Jerry

 

[jobberone]

Not much on the trade scenarios but this one is interesting.

 

[visionary]

I like sheard and would be for it for reasonable compensation

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Wilber sucked at LB in the 3-4 in his limited time here at Dallas. Granted, he was learning a new position. If anything, Clev would probably be a lot more interested in Holloman and a 2014 3rd. And I would not give up either. Holloman flashed a lot of potential and the 2014 draft is deep, real deep. Lots of good players.

Ware will be back way before Sheard gets acclimated to his new duties in the 4-3 and be relegated to the bench. So, no, I wouldn't trade for him unless it would be for a 6th or 7th rd pick. No way Clev goes for that.

The end of the trade deadline can't come too soon for me. I don't want Jerry overpaying for something we don't need and can't afford. This is our team and we are rolling with the players we got on the roster. Look at SD last night. Their defense got it done with players in for injured players. It can be done. No need to panic just because Ware and Murray got injured and will be out a few weeks.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Wilber sucked at LB in the 3-4 in his limited time here at Dallas. Granted, he was learning a new position. If anything, Clev would probably be a lot more interested in Holloman and a 2014 3rd. And I would not give up either. Holloman flashed a lot of potential and the 2014 draft is deep, real deep. Lots of good players.

Ware will be back way before Sheard gets acclimated to his new duties in the 4-3 and be relegated to the bench. So, no, I wouldn't trade for him unless it would be for a 6th or 7th rd pick. No way Clev goes for that.

The end of the trade deadline can't come too soon for me. I don't want Jerry overpaying for something we don't need and can't afford. This is our team and we are rolling with the players we got on the roster. Look at SD last night. Their defense got it done with players in for injured players. It can be done. No need to panic just because Ware and Murray got injured and will be out a few weeks.

Dallas have a unique opportunity with the East being in a down year and the entire NFC looks beatable save for maybe the 'Hawks at home. I would explore any and all options.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Wilber sucked at LB in the 3-4 in his limited time here at Dallas. Granted, he was learning a new position. If anything, Clev would probably be a lot more interested in Holloman and a 2014 3rd. And I would not give up either. Holloman flashed a lot of potential and the 2014 draft is deep, real deep. Lots of good players.

Ware will be back way before Sheard gets acclimated to his new duties in the 4-3 and be relegated to the bench. So, no, I wouldn't trade for him unless it would be for a 6th or 7th rd pick. No way Clev goes for that.

The end of the trade deadline can't come too soon for me. I don't want Jerry overpaying for something we don't need and can't afford. This is our team and we are rolling with the players we got on the roster. Look at SD last night. Their defense got it done with players in for injured players. It can be done. No need to panic just because Ware and Murray got injured and will be out a few weeks.

I agree with everything you said.

As for your quote in bold, I think Jerry learned his lesson concerning trades for players under the premise that this is a win-now scenario. He will hang tight with what he has and let his personnel people do what they are paid to do -- go out and find talent for this team.

 

[Future]

I like the idea of getting Sheard, but I think trading Wilber leaves us with the same problem we still have...which is lack of depth. If you could get him for just the picks or something, I'd be for it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why is Wilbur a better fit for the 34?

 

[Doomsay]

Wouldn't mind seeing them at least explore/inquire about the possibility of trading for a guy like Sheard. No harm in asking.
Perhaps the trade could be something like a 2014 3rd, 2015 5th, and Kyle Wilber. Wilber's departure instantly opens up a roster spot for Sheard, and gives the Browns additional depth with some 3-4 OLB experience to go along with Quentin Groves behind Kruger & Mingo.

- Sheard very likely isn't in the Browns long-term plans. The current regime gave Kruger a pretty hefty deal to play the SOLB spot...and then drafted Mingo #6 overall to play opposite Kruger.

- While Sheard has been rehabbing a sprained knee...Mingo got his opportunity and has played pretty well overall as a starter.

- While his transition has went quite well, Sheard spent his first 2 seasons at DE and recorded 110 total tackles, 15.5 sacks and 6 forced fumbles in that time.

- He's under his rookie contract through the end of 2014, so he'd be affordable for the cap-strapped Cowboys in the short-term. That fact might make the Browns more reluctant to deal...but they would gain additional picks to continue to rebuild their team ala the Trent Richardson trade, while moving forward with 1st round pick Mingo opposite Kruger.

- At 24 y/o, Sheard could be both a short & long-term investment/solution...and either way, Dallas is going to have to draft a DT & DE at minimum. Getting Sheard would allow them to get a head start...and bring in help now. Not to mention, both Crawford & Bass will be back next year.

While DC Ray Horton likes Sheard & their rotation, the Browns FO has shown a willingness to deal...with team president Joe Banner saying that his goal in the draft is to have "a higher batting average" than other teams. They liked the value of the Richardson trade (who was the 3rd overall pick), despite the 1st rd. pick gained likely being fairly low via the Colts. Value they liked would of course have to be there in a trade, so perhaps Dallas could even potentially consider going a 2nd and Wilber (but not much more)...IF the initial offer was shot down.

Nice workup.

 

[ccb04]

I like the idea of getting Sheard, but I think trading Wilber leaves us with the same problem we still have...which is lack of depth. If you could get him for just the picks or something, I'd be for it.

While true, they'd have to give up something to get something of course. Wilber provides the Browns depth...Sheard provides the Cowboys with a player that could be considered the present & future at DE. Also, prior to the Skins game, they were having some problems getting pressure.

 

[Future]

While true, they'd have to give up something to get something of course. Wilber provides the Browns depth...Sheard provides the Cowboys with a player that could be considered the present & future at DE. Also, prior to the Skins game, they were having some problems getting pressure.

I get that you have to give something up, but I dont think killing your depth at the position is a good idea. Unless you are going to plan on having only 3 DEs all year.

 

[ccb04]

Wilber sucked at LB in the 3-4 in his limited time here at Dallas. Granted, he was learning a new position. If anything, Clev would probably be a lot more interested in Holloman and a 2014 3rd. And I would not give up either. Holloman flashed a lot of potential and the 2014 draft is deep, real deep. Lots of good players.

Ware will be back way before Sheard gets acclimated to his new duties in the 4-3 and be relegated to the bench. So, no, I wouldn't trade for him unless it would be for a 6th or 7th rd pick. No way Clev goes for that.

The end of the trade deadline can't come too soon for me. I don't want Jerry overpaying for something we don't need and can't afford. This is our team and we are rolling with the players we got on the roster. Look at SD last night. Their defense got it done with players in for injured players. It can be done. No need to panic just because Ware and Murray got injured and will be out a few weeks.

Wilber wasn't able to see much time initially at OLB because he was injured. Butler was also the top back up at the time. But Wilber is starting to show a bit rushing the passer...and also played 3-4 OLB for a year in college.

Sheard played 4-3 DE for 2 years. He's played OLB in the 3-4 for 2 games. Don't think it would take him long to acclimate.

Sheard wouldn't be relegated to the bench...as either he or Ware could play SDE with Selvie then being the top back up. Sheard played DE at around 264-lbs. and Marinelli has been moving Ware around this year. Not to mention, Ware has struggled somewhat to stay healthy going back to last year.

Overpaying? Don't think a 3rd & 2015 5th or so would be overpaying for a very good pass rusher who is 24 y/o, especially considering they're going to have to devote picks to the DL in next years draft anyway.

Again, Sheard is as much about the future as he is the present as mentioned in the OP. They need DL help this year AND beyond.

 

[ccb04]

I get that you have to give something up, but I dont think killing your depth at the position is a good idea. Unless you are going to plan on having only 3 DEs all year.

They'd have Ware, Sheard, Selvie, and Rayford. Ware and Sheard as the starters and Selvie as the top back up on either side. Pretty decent duo/trio. At 24 y/o, Sheard averaged 55 tackles & 8 sacks starting at DE...and he's still an improving player.

 

[Future]

They'd have Ware, Sheard, Selvie, and Rayford. Ware and Sheard as the starters and Selvie as the top back up on either side. Pretty decent duo/trio. At 24 y/o, Sheard averaged 55 tackles & 8 sacks starting at DE...and he's still an improving player.

I like Sheard, you don't have to convince me on him lol But if we make a trade, it should not only be to improve talent, but add some depth. Moving Wilber would be leaving us with the same problem.

Also, what did people think of Rayford? All I really remember from him is that he got absolutely destroyed on the long TD run.

 

[ccb04]

I like Sheard, you don't have to convince me on him lol But if we make a trade, it should not only be to improve talent, but add some depth. Moving Wilber would be leaving us with the same problem.

Also, what did people think of Rayford? All I really remember from him is that he got absolutely destroyed on the long TD run.

As mentioned, Ware and Sheard would be the starters...with Selvie then becoming the top back up on either side. So they'd improve the starters...and a guy who is starting now becomes the top back up option. They also have Rayford and Jones...though I'd cut Jones and likely pick up DE/DT Wynn as they apparently plan to. As far as Rayford, he's a work in progress that showed some promise when leading the preseason in sacks IIRC. At some point, everyone on the defense has been destroyed lol.

Additionally, being that Selvie can play either side...that might actually reduce the necessity to play the other guys as much...as he could then spell both Ware and Sheard and step right in should either be out for any time.

Perhaps another option would be to keep Wilber and offer Rayford as part of the package. He played in Indy's 3-4 when leading the preseason in sacks. Though I think Wilber might be the preference for them.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Now I half Sheard ever thing. ha-ha.

The way it is going Jerra will soon be asking Forum members to man the D line.

 

[RamziD]

Did he play the SDE side? He is listed at 6'2" and 255 lbs. Not sure if he is big enough for that side..