Help posting movie trailer. "Stalingrad"

[ologan]

Don't know how to put movie trailer on here. Saw this trailer, and damn, this looks like a pretty good action flick.

 

[arglebargle]

General consensus seems to be that this movie has great CGI, but little to do with actual battle of Stalingrad. Not sure if it will stand up well to more iconic films like Enemy at the Gates, which showed a lot more actual historical bits, and was based on a sniper duel that actually happened during the fighting in the city.

Russian production, which I tend to generally find a bit ponderous.

Tried to get the youtube trailer to show up, but no go here either, even following the instructions.

 

[ologan]

General consensus seems to be that this movie has great CGI, but little to do with actual battle of Stalingrad. Not sure if it will stand up well to more iconic films like Enemy at the Gates, which showed a lot more actual historical bits, and was based on a sniper duel that actually happened during the fighting in the city.

Russian production, which I tend to generally find a bit ponderous.

Tried to get the youtube trailer to show up, but no go here either, even following the instructions.

It's a russkie plot, I tell ya! Agree with you that a lot of "liberties" with actual facts will probably be taken, but what film lately has followed the truth down to the letter? Agree with you on "Enemy at the gates". Great flick, albeit a very small microcosm of that particular battle. If the cgi is good, ought to be worth watching. Funny that there haven't been many movies made about the eastern front, or "Operation Barbarossa". IIRC, one of the only movies I remember seeing with an eastern front theme, was "Cross of Iron", with James Coburn.

 

[dreghorn2]

Little to no evidence that the Zaitsev - Koenig sniper duel actually happened, Enemy at the Gates was a good movie though.

The battle of Stalingrad was an absolutely incredible display of the true limits of human endurance, on both sides. Lots of excellent reading for those interested.

The depth and scope of that four year struggle is unlike anything in human history with estimates as high as 30 million total deaths for the Eastern front. Amazing.

The previous winter the Wehrmacht were fighting in -30 to -40 C temperatures outside Moscow in summer uniforms!

During the first terrible summer the Soviets experienced three different encirclements with over 500,000 prisoners.

Prokhorovka saw an armor battle involving over 1000 tanks!

This is a cool interactive web site the Russians put together for the 50th anniversary on the war.. http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Link to photos of the amazing Stalingrad war memorial .. http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/10/soviet-war-memorial-at-mamayev-kurgan.html

 

[jobberone]

PM me the link and I'll see if can be put up.

 

[jobberone]

I wanted you to PM me so I could see the content. I don't think the trailer is a good idea. It leads to inappropriate content and the trailer is violent. You can certainly discuss the movie.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Here is a movie on Stalingrad from the German perspective. I thought it was a great movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108211/

 

[arglebargle]

Little to no evidence that the Zaitsev - Koenig sniper duel actually happened, Enemy at the Gates was a good movie though.

The battle of Stalingrad was an absolutely incredible display of the true limits of human endurance, on both sides. Lots of excellent reading for those interested.

The depth and scope of that four year struggle is unlike anything in human history with estimates as high as 30 million total deaths for the Eastern front. Amazing.

The previous winter the Wehrmacht were fighting in -30 to -40 C temperatures outside Moscow in summer uniforms!

During the first terrible summer the Soviets experienced three different encirclements with over 500,000 prisoners.

Prokhorovka saw an armor battle involving over 1000 tanks!

This is a cool interactive web site the Russians put together for the 50th anniversary on the war.. http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Link to photos of the amazing Stalingrad war memorial .. http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/10/soviet-war-memorial-at-mamayev-kurgan.html

I was just going on the biography for the Sniper duel. Pretty astounding events in Stalingrad all over. When I was a teenager, I got to meet a Russian officer who'd been a tank platoon commander at Kursk. Even then I knew enough to be impressed.

Moral of the story is, never invade Russia, because it will be the worst winter in a century. Napolean. Charles XII.

 

[dreghorn2]

I was just going on the biography for the Sniper duel. Pretty astounding events in Stalingrad all over. When I was a teenager, I got to meet a Russian officer who'd been a tank platoon commander at Kursk. Even then I knew enough to be impressed.

Moral of the story is, never invade Russia, because it will be the worst winter in a century. Napolean. Charles XII.

So true, Vizzini from The Princess Bride, ' never get involved in a land war in Asia..'

 

[jobberone]

I was just going on the biography for the Sniper duel. Pretty astounding events in Stalingrad all over. When I was a teenager, I got to meet a Russian officer who'd been a tank platoon commander at Kursk. Even then I knew enough to be impressed.

Moral of the story is, never invade Russia, because it will be the worst winter in a century. Napolean. Charles XII.

Either people don't read their history or generally think others just didn't do it right. Hitler was told to wait until the next year to invade Russia but he wouldn't listen. Thank goodness.

 

[burmafrd]

Either people don't read their history or generally think others just didn't do it right. Hitler was told to wait until the next year to invade Russia but he wouldn't listen. Thank goodness.

Actually Russia would have been stronger the next year. They were rebuilding their officer corps after the stalin purge of 1938, and they were figuring things out that the fins had taught them in the Winter war. So really Germany's only chance was in 1941. And they came incredibly close to winning two separate times as it was. even the Russians admit that.

 

[Risen Star]

Thank you for saving me from the violence of that trailer.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Actually Russia would have been stronger the next year. They were rebuilding their officer corps after the stalin purge of 1938, and they were figuring things out that the fins had taught them in the Winter war. So really Germany's only chance was in 1941. And they came incredibly close to winning two separate times as it was. even the Russians admit that.

Yep, they were 300m from the Volga, get to the Volga, they stop the resupply of the city from the east bank, it falls, then the threat of counterattack from the wings is pretty much gone.

Germany also got within 20km of Moscow in 1941. Hell that is despite wasting time taking Kiev.

 

[arglebargle]

Actually Russia would have been stronger the next year. They were rebuilding their officer corps after the stalin purge of 1938, and they were figuring things out that the fins had taught them in the Winter war. So really Germany's only chance was in 1941. And they came incredibly close to winning two separate times as it was. even the Russians admit that.

Not to mention the Russians would've been able to ramp up their T34 production, airplane assembly, etc.

 

[arglebargle]

Thank you for saving me from the violence of that trailer.

I am still scarred!

 

[jobberone]

Thank you for saving me from the violence of that trailer.

I don't think it was the violence but the half naked women.

 

[jobberone]

Actually Russia would have been stronger the next year. They were rebuilding their officer corps after the stalin purge of 1938, and they were figuring things out that the fins had taught them in the Winter war. So really Germany's only chance was in 1941. And they came incredibly close to winning two separate times as it was. even the Russians admit that.

That was my point although most of it was the winter thingie.

 

[burmafrd]

That was my point although most of it was the winter thingie.

The russians were lucky- the winter arrived earlier then normal. And Hitler was so overconfident he had ordered that no winter preparations needed to be made since the war would be over by then. It was stupid mistakes like that - in reality- that made the difference. Such as waiting as long as they did to launch the campaign- almost the end of June. The excuse was to wait for the ground to dry- but that was not a real problem in all honesty. But it did cost them at least a month. They could have launched the attack as early as mid May. That extra month could have made all the difference in the world.

 

[jobberone]

The russians were lucky- the winter arrived earlier then normal. And Hitler was so overconfident he had ordered that no winter preparations needed to be made since the war would be over by then. It was stupid mistakes like that - in reality- that made the difference. Such as waiting as long as they did to launch the campaign- almost the end of June. The excuse was to wait for the ground to dry- but that was not a real problem in all honesty. But it did cost them at least a month. They could have launched the attack as early as mid May. That extra month could have made all the difference in the world.

Yes. Good stuff. Hitler didn't listen to his commanders.

 

[ologan]

Yes. Good stuff. Hitler didn't listen to his commanders.

Ummmm....Sorta like Jerry Jones not listening to.......aw, never mind!
BTW, I'll have to go back and watch the trailer, cause I sure missed all the semi-nekkid ladies.