Hillsborough Disaster

[jem88]

Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of this. Never fully appreciated the scale of the horror until the last few days, when I've done a fair bit of reading on it.

A couple of points:

1.The 96 dead deserve justice - full disclosure of what happened and where blame lies needs to be forthcoming.

2. The Sun paper should be forever boycotted for its scandalous reporting of the incident (Kelvin Mackenzie, the editor at the time, is the lowest form of scum.)

If you're not familiar with this, I recommend a quick google of the thread title. It's pretty hard to fathom.

 

[ajk23az]

Idiots.

I'm not putting down the dead in any way, those fans were just plain stupid.

 

[jem88]

Idiots.

I'm not putting down the dead in any way, those fans were just plain stupid.

You obviously know nothing about this case.

Here's a first-hand account from a fan who was there that day:

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/15-04-89-my-story-hillsborough-243607/

 

[Rampage]

stupid soccer fans

 

[daschoo]

stupid soccer fans

do you even know what happened? or you just of the opinion they were going to watch soccer therefore were hooligans therefore deserved to die? was the ten year old boy that was killed also a "stupid soccer fan"?

 

[jem88]

stupid soccer fans

Nice one.

Was the father who lost his daughters that day a stupid soccer fan? The same father who had to make a choice no parent should ever have to make: ride with his one dying daughter on the ambulance or stay behind on the pitch with his other dying daughter? How about the stupid fans who created makeshift stretchers out of advertising signs to help move the injured and dying away from the carnage?

Maybe you should think before you post such drivel. Imagine if 96 fans died at a baseball game, through circumstances that a lengthy investigation proves were not of their own making. Would they be stupid?

Perhaps you should read the story in the link I posted (if you can read) and then call them stupid.

 

[BurningLeviathan]

quite the disaster. Another eye witness account
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25337454-5003460,00.html

imagine feeling someones ribs break beneath your feet. The investigation of the incident seems to have been laughable.

 

[Kangaroo]

A few things why did they even have fences up ? While there is a reason because the fans would throw stuff at players reffs etc onto the field all the time. I mean it is no secret soccer fans have had incidents all over the wold with urine bombs and everything else.

Lets not talk about a ref that shot a player during a game that attacked him.

See there is a lot of that stigma attached to this as well.

If the fans where not such morons in the 1st place the fences would never had to been uo to control them. Which part of the reason this all happened

It was a tradgic accident but there is a lot of blame on both sides.

 

[ajk23az]

You obviously know nothing about this case.

Here's a first-hand account from a fan who was there that day:

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/15-04-89-my-story-hillsborough-243607/

You don't think its the fans fault at all? :laugh2: All the cops fault?

Those fans were stupid enough to keep charging like bulls just to watch a soccer match.

 

[Rampage]

A few things why did they even have fences up ? While there is a reason because the fans would throw stuff at players reffs etc onto the field all the time. I mean it is no secret soccer fans have had incidents all over the wold with urine bombs and everything else.

Lets not talk about a ref that shot a player during a game that attacked him.

See there is a lot of that stigma attached to this as well.

If the fans where not such morons in the 1st place the fences would never had to been uo to control them. Which part of the reason this all happened

It was a tradgic accident but there is a lot of blame on both sides.

You don't think its the fans fault at all? :laugh2: All the cops fault?

Those fans were stupid enough to keep charging like bulls just to watch a soccer match.

I repeat


stupid soccer fans

 

[daschoo]

people trying to leave couldn't as they were being met by a crush of people coming into them. the reason turnstiles are there is to control crowd flow which the police completely negated when they opened the exit gates and tried to hem everybody in giving no regard to which part of the ground they were supposed to be in. people who did manage to get to the exits were met with a line of police who were directing them back in. there would not have been millions of pounds of compensation paid out if it had been the fault of the fans.

 

[gazmc_06]

Blaming the fans for this? honestly?

That is pure ignorance IMO.

 

[Temo]

people trying to leave couldn't as they were being met by a crush of people coming into them. the reason turnstiles are there is to control crowd flow which the police completely negated when they opened the exit gates and tried to hem everybody in giving no regard to which part of the ground they were supposed to be in. people who did manage to get to the exits were met with a line of police who were directing them back in. there would not have been millions of pounds of compensation paid out if it had been the fault of the fans.

QFT

"Why did they keep rushing forward like idiots"-- Really? Think about it- the people who are doing the 'rushing' are in the back and are not the ones being crushed, hence they don't know what's going on. The police were there to control the flow of the crowd, something that they are trained to do. They failed. Miserably.

 

[daschoo]

QFT

"Why did they keep rushing forward like idiots"-- Really? Think about it- the people who are doing the 'rushing' are in the back and are not the ones being crushed, hence they don't know what's going on. The police were there to control the flow of the crowd, something that they are trained to do. They failed. Miserably.

why have you quoted me and then had a rant arguing the same side of the argument as me? i'm a little confused

 

[daschoo]

A few things why did they even have fences up ? While there is a reason because the fans would throw stuff at players reffs etc onto the field all the time. I mean it is no secret soccer fans have had incidents all over the wold with urine bombs and everything else.

Lets not talk about a ref that shot a player during a game that attacked him.

never heard of urine bombs in my life and i've been going to football for over twenty years. also have to say i'm struggling with the relevance of a referee shooting a player (i think in africa?) to hillsborough

 

[thekavorka]

why have you quoted me and then had a rant arguing the same side of the argument as me? i'm a little confused

QFT means "quoted for truth"

 

[daschoo]

ah you learn something new every day i guess. sorry and thanks then temo

 

[burmafrd]

Was stationed in England at the time and remember it well. The police and the stadium people really screwed up but one must also remember that back then was the pretty much peak of the soccer hooliganism. It was all part of the circumstances that led to that disaster.

 

[ajk23az]

QFT

"Why did they keep rushing forward like idiots"-- Really? Think about it- the people who are doing the 'rushing' are in the back and are not the ones being crushed, hence they don't know what's going on. The police were there to control the flow of the crowd, something that they are trained to do. They failed. Miserably.

It's called common sense. Something most of those fans did not have at the time.

Both sides are to blame but even trained police cannot contain 5,000 people that are pretty much running around with their heads cut off (and probably drunk already, which means they wouldn't listen to the police anyways) to watch a soccer match.

 

[Kangaroo]

never heard of urine bombs in my life and i've been going to football for over twenty years. also have to say i'm struggling with the relevance of a referee shooting a player (i think in africa?) to hillsborough

I understand that but this is the perception most people in the US have of soccer fans because of incidents all over the world. The fences where up there because of fans and the way they acted.

There is a lot of blame a lot of it goes to the police and stadium but how bad where the acts in the past that fences where put up.

Kind of like Philly it got so bad they had to put jails and a court in the stadium to control it