Horse collaring

[Jenky]

Just trying to prove a point to my friend here. Horse collaring is legal in certain situations and procedures. Does anyone know what they are?

Thanks, much appreciated !

 

[Yeagermeister]

Just trying to prove a point to my friend here. Horse collaring is legal in certain situations and procedures. Does anyone know what they are?

Thanks, much appreciated !

IIRC A player can't grab the back of the pads but can grab the jersey.

There is more too it than but I don't remember all of it.

 

[THUMPER]

Just trying to prove a point to my friend here. Horse collaring is legal in certain situations and procedures. Does anyone know what they are?

Thanks, much appreciated !

Here is what I was able to find but I believe there is more to it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-collar_tackle

The ban states that a horse-collar tackle is an open-field tackle in which a defender uses the shoulder pads to immediately bring a ballcarrier down. The term "open field" means that horse-collar tackles committed near the line of scrimmage will be allowed; in addition, the stipulation of "immediately bringing the ballcarrier down" means that, if a defender begins to bring a player down by the shoulder pads but lets go before the tackle is completed, he will not be penalized.

 

[wesleyc288]

if a player initiates the contact with another part of the opposing players body/jersey first before he grabs the collar, then its ok to use the horse collar tackle, but a player cant just start the tackle by grabbing the collar and pulling him down. This is what a heard from Aikman during a game one time.

 

[AdamJT13]

Here's the actual rule --

"All players are prohibited from:

( d) grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket."

So, it's OK to horse collar a runner in the tackle box or a quarterback in the pocket. Also, it's no a horse collar if you don't "immediately" pull down the runner -- if you wait a little, it's OK. And I believe they won't call it if you also have a hand in front of the runner.

 

[juck]

roy horse collared from the front side a player from denver.what dumb rule,just let them play.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Most players aren't strong enough to do it like Roy. Yeah it's a dangerous tackle, but Roy is one of the few guys who can really cause serious injury every time he does it, thus the Roy Williams rule. I still think it's stupid, though.

 

[sacase]

Most players aren't strong enough to do it like Roy. Yeah it's a dangerous tackle, but Roy is one of the few guys who can really cause serious injury every time he does it, thus the Roy Williams rule. I still think it's stupid, though.

you don't have to be strong. Just grab the back of the shoulder pads and fall to the ground.

 

[Hot_Toddy]

Regarding this subject, did anyone notice the pic of Julius in the Denver game? It looks as if he pinned the front collar of his jersey into the front of his shoulder pads to perhaps tighten up the back collar so nobody can grab it.

Maybe, I'm mistaken, but if you can find the "slideshow thread" on this forum and look at the pic of Julius against Denver you'll see what I mean. If so, smart move to protect himself.

It's the pic where some posters commented on his eyes being closed. I can't find the thread though?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

you don't have to be strong. Just grab the back of the shoulder pads and fall to the ground.

Roy doesn't have to fall to the ground. He can pull down a 200 pound man with one hand. Easy. You don't have to be strong to horse collar, but Roy is so strong that it became an issue in the first place.

 

[Jenky]

Here's the actual rule --

"All players are prohibited from:

( d) grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket."

So, it's OK to horse collar a runner in the tackle box or a quarterback in the pocket. Also, it's no a horse collar if you don't "immediately" pull down the runner -- if you wait a little, it's OK. And I believe they won't call it if you also have a hand in front of the runner.

This is what I thought was true also. Speaking to a lot of NFL fans, they don't recognize it. They see a player getting dragged down by his shoulder pads and expect a flag immediately, without looking at the replay to see if the defender touched another part of the ball carrier's body first. This rule is ridiculous any how.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Someone now explain why we have a rule called "Hands To The Face", yet a runner can put his hands in the defender's face mask using a stiff arm and that's not a penalty.

It was obvious that on the play the other night, the only reason Roy grabbed Henry's jersey was because Henry's stiff arm and hand in Roy's face mask kept Roy at arm's length from Henry so that the only thing he could grab was the inside of the jersey.

 

[Go Big D!]

This is what I thought was true also. Speaking to a lot of NFL fans, they don't recognize it. They see a player getting dragged down by his shoulder pads and expect a flag immediately, without looking at the replay to see if the defender touched another part of the ball carrier's body first. This rule is ridiculous any how.

Even more infuriating is the fact that Roy's name will forever be linked to the rule (whether right or wrong) so that whenever he tackles, even remotely close to a horsecollar, everybody yells foul....even our own fans, analyst, ex-players, etc.

He wasn't/isn't the only player that did/does it. He's just the one that broke a few players. :

 

[Jenky]

Even more infuriating is the fact that Roy's name will forever be linked to the rule (whether right or wrong) so that whenever he tackles, even remotely close to a horsecollar, everybody yells foul....even our own fans, analyst, ex-players, etc.

He wasn't/isn't the only player that did/does it. He's just the one that broke a few players. :

I hear ya bro. It's a damn shame if you ask me.