How Bad Have Tony Romo's Defenses Been?

[TwoDeep3]

Except one's understanding of how different elements of a team performed relative to each other, and to other teams.

Which is still trying tom absolve specific individuals and elevate their play via numbers.

I don't agree with trying to justify one player over the team. I am reminded so often this is a team sport. Romo's defenses indicates this has an agenda.

I don't agree with that agenda. Because when someone mentioned the turnovers by Romo in 2007, the immediate excuse was, Dallas was throwing a lot more long balls.

Either they win and lose as a team, or not.

I'd suggest Romo has as big a hand ion both wins and loses as anyone else.

 

[Idgit]

As I said, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Ok. But to be clear again, some opinions are more supportable than others. The opinion that this team has struggled defensively in recent years is a good example of this.

 

[slomoxn]

Hahahahaha. Yeah, the Giants D only held Tom Brady and arguably the best offense ever to 14 points. Eli won it on his own with the 17 points the Giants O scored!

Then the next time they faced the Pats, the Giants D held them to 19 points.

In those playoff runs, the Giants D made upper-echelon QBs like Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo and Matt Ryan all look average or worse.

"His D wasn't much better"? Yes, it was. Get a clue.

iim sorry, was my name on the article? pull your panties out of the bunch, i'd go on about it bbut as i said,, dead horse aand part of the article.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Ok. But to be clear again, some opinions are more supportable than others. The opinion that this team has struggled defensively in recent years is a good example of this.

Let me be clear.

I disagree. I think this is clearly a defense of Romo just by the OP's title. Especially when other quarterbacks defenses are compared. Please feel free not to correct my thinking to suit yours.

 

[Idgit]

Let me be clear.

I disagree. I think this is clearly a defense of Romo just by the OP's title. Especially when other quarterbacks defenses are compared. Please feel free not to correct my thinking to suit yours.

Am I free to correct it for no other reason than its wrong, and this is a message board for discussions?

Not that there'd be anything wrong with a defense of Tony Romo, anyway. But the point of the OP remains: effective passing offenses need effective passing defenses if the team is going to win. That's been well established. This isn't the first thread on the topic.

 

[black label]

I encourage you all to see how Tony Romo's defenses compare to other "elite" QB's around the league. I think you will be surprised.

http://cover32.com/cowboys/2014/04/10/how-bad-have-tony-romos-defenses-been/

great stuff, our defense blows chunks
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[CowboysFaninHouston]

Agreed. But he needs help, like all QBs do.

no question about that....

 

[ufcrules1]

If only the stats were a be all end all indicator of how good/bad a player is. Sadly it is not. Saying Eli only achieved what he did because of his defense is pathetic. Eli played phenomenal football in the playoffs leading up to the super bowl and also did what it took to help his team win the super bowl. Eli was part of the solution to his team winning. Eli will be enshrined in the football hall of fame for what he has achieved. I think he is goofy looking/nerdy and don't like him at all, but that won't take away from what I have seen him accomplish.

Last time I remember Romo in a playoff "type" game was in 2012 when he miserably choked by throwing 3 interceptions, the last one being the nail in the coffin. That isn't the type of guy I point at and say he is amazing and underrated.. if only his defense would help him he would win multiple super bowls.

 

[DandyDon1722]

If only the stats were a be all end all indicator of how good/bad a player is. Sadly it is not. Saying Eli only achieved what he did because of his defense is pathetic. Eli played phenomenal football in the playoffs leading up to the super bowl and also did what it took to help his team win the super bowl. Eli was part of the solution to his team winning. Eli will be enshrined in the football hall of fame for what he has achieved. I think he is goofy looking/nerdy and don't like him at all, but that won't take away from what I have seen him accomplish.

Last time I remember Romo in a playoff "type" game was in 2012 when he miserably choked by throwing 3 interceptions, the last one being the nail in the coffin. That isn't the type of guy I point at and say he is amazing and underrated.. if only his defense would help him he would win multiple super bowls.

No way does Eli get into the HOF when he's led the league in INTs almost a third of his career and because of that very same defense and because as Skip Bayless points out he's been extremely fortunate with some throws.

Time will tell who's right but if you think he's a lock I think you're wrong.

 

[Rockport]

If only the stats were a be all end all indicator of how good/bad a player is. Sadly it is not. Saying Eli only achieved what he did because of his defense is pathetic. Eli played phenomenal football in the playoffs leading up to the super bowl and also did what it took to help his team win the super bowl. Eli was part of the solution to his team winning. Eli will be enshrined in the football hall of fame for what he has achieved. I think he is goofy looking/nerdy and don't like him at all, but that won't take away from what I have seen him accomplish.

Last time I remember Romo in a playoff "type" game was in 2012 when he miserably choked by throwing 3 interceptions, the last one being the nail in the coffin. That isn't the type of guy I point at and say he is amazing and underrated.. if only his defense would help him he would win multiple super bowls.

How do you explain Eli's performance last year?

 

[ufcrules1]

No way does Eli get into the HOF when he's led the league in INTs almost a third of his career and because of that very same defense and because as Skip Bayless points out he's been extremely fortunate with some throws.

Time will tell who's right but if you think he's a lock I think you're wrong.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree. He is a 2 time super bowl MVP. Are there any other 2 time super bowl mvp's QB's who are not in the hall of fame?

 

[DandyDon1722]

No way does Eli get into the HOF when he's led the league in INTs almost a third of his career and because of that very same defense and because as Skip Bayless points out he's been extremely fortunate with some throws.

Time will tell who's right but if you think he's a lock I think you're wrong.

Also do you seriously think Russell Wilson or Eli Manning would've won that 2012 game? Better yet, name a QB who could've carried that team that day with the play of the offensive line. You people who think QBs can just carry any team they step on the field with to a Super Bowl are just not based in reality.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree. He is a 2 time super bowl MVP. Are there any other 2 time super bowl mvp's QB's who are not in the hall of fame?

In my opinion he will be the first yet the fact that he is a two time winner yet it's debate able whether he gets in speaks volumes.

 

[ufcrules1]

Also do you seriously think Russell Wilson or Eli Manning would've won that 2012 game?

Yes, I 100% do. Romo had a REALLY bad game and keep in mind it was against the 30th ranked passing defense in the league. He made bad decisions and poor throws that whole game.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Yes, I 100% do. Romo had a REALLY bad game and keep in mind it was against the 30th ranked passing defense in the league. He made bad decisions and poor throws that whole game.

Ok -- again fair enough. I just personally don't see how, especially not a mobile QB like Eli.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Am I free to correct it for no other reason than its wrong, and this is a message board for discussions?

Not that there'd be anything wrong with a defense of Tony Romo, anyway. But the point of the OP remains: effective passing offenses need effective passing defenses if the team is going to win. That's been well established. This isn't the first thread on the topic.

Suit yourself. You have the rank here and can defacto out rule me. Otherwise, your stats are excuses because I have seen you post over and over this is a team game.

Until it suits you that it is not.

So carry on, boss man.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Except one's understanding of how different elements of a team performed relative to each other, and to other teams.

And have you not lectured me on this being a team sport?

 

[BigStar]

You gotta give Eli his due. Defense or not. He didn't blow the games in playoffs... Superbowls.

Not picking on Romo. I am a supporter... But right now... "It is what it is.... He is what he is"

That can all change.

Remember Tiki picking on Eli... His response was 2 SB MVPs biotch!

Tiki is such a pos human being. Definitely the evil twin

 

[Idgit]

Suit yourself. You have the rank here and can defacto out rule me. Otherwise, your stats are excuses because I have seen you post over and over this is a team game.

Until it suits you that it is not.

So carry on, boss man.

Weak sauce. Really weak. I can't pull any rank, and have to 'rule you out' the old fashion way: by making better points than you're making right now.

I suspect you're intentionally misinterpreting the data because there's no way you'd invert the point this badly on purpose. The entire point of the OP--and the point I've explicitly made in the thread above--is that it *is* a team game, and that the team needs both effective passing and effective pass defense. I've changed nothing 'because it suits me,' and am saying nothing that I haven't said in dozens and dozens of previous threads or that can't be backed up by looking at the results of the actual games.

 

[DFWJC]

None of those guys are "elite" QBs, if you ask me there's only four QBs in the NFL that are "elite". I would love to see the rankings of Rivers, Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, just to see where they are in comparison to Romo with the cards they're dealt.

Based on the data being used only.... Romo > Rivers.

I don't know about the rest.