How come Tyson Thompson did better than JJ

[SALADIN]

...with the same O-line?

It looked liked it TT had stayed in the game he could have come close to getting 100 yards. And I do understand that he was benched for blowing a blitz pick up assignment but if you're running the ball well why throw it?

The O-line wouldn't block better for one player than they would another, so why the big difference?

 

[Byrdman1531]

i didnt rewatch the drive but there might be a chance that the raiders put more men in coverage or dallas had 3/4 WR sets on the thompson drive...or it could of been that the o-line blocked better

 

[SALADIN]

i didnt rewatch the drive but there might be a chance that the raiders put more men in coverage or dallas had 3/4 WR sets on the thompson drive...or it could of been that the o-line blocked better

I did watch the replay and it was the same defense. Let's just hope that the later isn't true. The O-line is sorry enough as it is.

 

[Byrdman1531]

people still dont know tyson well enough to respect him maybe it..same thing happened with julius last year..nobody knew him and he went off for 150-200 yards

 

[DallasDomination]

I said it before and I'll say it again.

05 Julius Jones is a different runner than what he was last year.


I'm not giving up on him but I sure in heck would like to see A-train or TT get more carries.

Sure TT and AT make some mistakes in the blocking department but that's easy to fix.

 

[Word Mofo]

JJ's got more moves, but TT can hit those holes fast.

 

[DallasKnight]

Same thing that T-Ham saw when he was a back up for Emmitt. Defenses didn't respect him like they respected Emmitt. He got the ball, hit the holes quickly, and the defense was looking for something else. His legs were fresh, and he came in with spirit.

 

[Dale]

Same thing that T-Ham saw when he was a back up for Emmitt. Defenses didn't respect him like they respected Emmitt. He got the ball, hit the holes quickly, and the defense was looking for something else. His legs were fresh, and he came in with spirit.

I was going to say the same thing. There are a number of backup running backs that compile better averages than the starters, but it doesn't mean they're better.

Heck, look at Steven Jackson's performance in a backup role versus a starting role.

It's been a weird season. All three of last year's stud rookie backs are struggling.

Thompson can really hit that hole quickly and has tremendous speed outside, but I'm not sure how versatile his game is other than that.

 

[Rack]

Part of it is cuz TT doesn't demand the attention that JuJo does, but part of it was also cuz he was hitting the holes faster. There were a couple of times I saw a hole for JuJo and he plowed forward into the line instead of making a cut and bursting through the hole. Then there was that draw where Sapp got him in the backfield. No way in HELL should a fat a** like Sapp tackle you when you have room to avoid him. JuJo had room, but didn't explode through the hole.


I know for some reason JuJo is off limits to any criticism whatsoever at these boards, but the fact is, for whatever reason, he's not running like he was last year. Either it's injury, thinking too much, gun shy, etc... I don't know. But it's not ALL cuz of the OL, that's for darn sure.

 

[Dale]

Part of it is cuz TT doesn't demand the attention that JuJo does, but part of it was also cuz he was hitting the holes faster. There were a couple of times I saw a hole for JuJo and he plowed forward into the line instead of making a cut and bursting through the hole. Then there was that draw where Sapp got him in the backfield. No way in HELL should a fat a** like Sapp tackle you when you have room to avoid him. JuJo had room, but didn't explode through the hole.


I know for some reason JuJo is off limits to any criticism whatsoever at these boards, but the fact is, for whatever reason, he's not running like he was last year. Either it's injury, thinking too much, gun shy, etc... I don't know. But it's not ALL cuz of the OL, that's for darn sure.

See, what I don't understand is that he doesn't even seem to be running like he did in the preseason. That's why I think he's hurt, or something else strange is going on. Because unless I'm fooling myself, I seem to remember him having wiggle to him in the preseason. Now, he seems to outright refuse to do anything other than run into the middle of the line and fall down.

Maybe the being scared theory has something to it, but I want to believe that Parcells didn't find a way to ruin the kid after the way he played his rookie year.

 

[ghst187]

I know for some reason JuJo is off limits to any criticism whatsoever at these boards, but the fact is, for whatever reason, he's not running like he was last year. Either it's injury, thinking too much, gun shy, etc... I don't know. .

The OL was arguably WORSE last year than it is this year yet JJ is looking much worse than last year. I think that by the end of the year last year teams had watched some tape of JJ and knew he was threat but they still couldn't stop him. To think they didn't know about him is to disrespect the scouting dept of about 4 or 5 different teams, and everyone knew we sure couldn't pass the ball.
TT is having some success for the same reasons JJ did last year IMO. He's hitting the crease faster. JJ is hesitant. JJ is looking more to set up his blocks like Emmitt did but the reality is that our OL is old/slow and by the time all the blocks are there, the run support D is too. JJ just needs to blast through the line, if he misses the crease, so what, last year he often found new ones. Plus, it makes it harder for the LBs to guess right on which gap to fill. That's why JJ was having some big runs last year.
Our coaching staff is currently making our young players progressively worse with their "coaching."

 

[Wezsh0T]

JJ seemed to make a lot more cuts last year. Most of his big plays last year were on those runs were he showed amazing agility by cutting back and bouncing the run outside. This year, the same running areas I saw him utilize last year are not being used. He's just running up the middle instead of bouncing outside. The only time he gets outside now is when we run that stupid sweep that never works.

Anyone else see the same thing?

 

[Muhast]

Julius ran his best on draws last year, this year it's all... run right between the guard and center every play. Also Julius had ran the ball 15 times or so by then, and played a lot of plays, Tyson is naturally faster, and more rested from only playing special teams, it'd make sense for him to hit the whole harder.

I agree julius isn't cutting or juking or anything.

 

[burmafrd]

BP. ITs all his fault. HIS STUPID MANIA about negative plays - he has intimidated JJ into not looking for holes but going as the play is designed whether or not there is a hole. And BP is too stubborn to admit he was wrong. With the O line stinking up the place, the only chance JJ has to make a play is to look for a hole no matter WHERE it is.

 

[jman]

...with the same O-line?

It looked liked it TT had stayed in the game he could have come close to getting 100 yards. And I do understand that he was benched for blowing a blitz pick up assignment but if you're running the ball well why throw it?

The O-line wouldn't block better for one player than they would another, so why the big difference?

Same reason THam had better runs than Emmitt at times...Not saying TT is another THam, but sometimes that's the way it is. No need to read too much into it.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

...with the same O-line?

It looked liked it TT had stayed in the game he could have come close to getting 100 yards. And I do understand that he was benched for blowing a blitz pick up assignment but if you're running the ball well why throw it?

The O-line wouldn't block better for one player than they would another, so why the big difference?

I hope TT wins the 2nd string job......I really believe he has deserved it, although he need to practice picking up the blitz......IMO