CFZ How did Kellen Moore rise?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How did KM rise to the point where when he left Dallas he was unemployed for less than 2 hours? How did he manage to accomplish a cult like following of NFL front offices, general managers, and billionaire owners when he never was really successfully competitive in Dallas?

Here is the reason I ask these questions. Eric Bieniemy might be the best OC in the NFL. He is definitely the most consistent and successful.

There are only a few reasons he is not the lead candidate for every head coaching gig that is open, or has been opened for a few years. There are only a couple of them that I will accept as legitimate. It might be that he just doesn’t want to move on. He is doing the same thing that DQ is doing right now and just being the best coordinator in the league. Another one might be that he could know that Andy might be hanging it up and he has been promised the job after Reid leaves.
Either one of those reasons we can accept and should find admirable. Loyalty is hard to find nowadays and he has proven that he’s loyal to the HC as well as the KC organization.

I’m usually not one to bring up the worst reason that this could be. I refuse to be a believer in dumb conspiracies. But we do know that the club of NFL ownership is a good old boy network for sure. There’s no question about that and I hope to God that’s not the reason he is being overlooked every year.

By now, Bieniemy should’ve had the opportunity to be the HC in 12-13 different jobs. The work he did las night should be dissected and used for the development of offensive coaching going forward. It was absolutely phenomenal!!!

not everyone is head coaching material, although many look to the position as the ultimate promotion and when they get there they fail and realize their best position was a coordinator.

some are protected and over rated. NFL has a way of exposing both.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He rose b/c Jerry took a shine to him. He went from being a player to being an NFL OC. Can't think of that working anywhere...........let alone a Jerry selection.

that was absolute idiocy on Jerry's part. show me an NFL OC any time with only one year of coaching experience prior to him becoming a coordinator? its lunacy.

I said it back then when he got the job and I said after and I said last year. he was green. there was a learning curve and he would make mistakes along the way and you hope he learned and got better. worse yet, its obvious he was forced upon McCarthy. given the relationship detriorated, where each were giving Dak different signals. one calling conservative plays and the other telling him to be aggressive. one calling 12 yard curls and the other saying attack down field.

this forced marriage was doomed from day 1. you have to pay your dues in the NFL, its just if you do it as a position coach and grow or you become an OC, and then screw things up along the way and learn.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How did Jason Garrett not rise when I was assured he’d the next Landry.

exact same idiotic mistake from Jerry. he thought he tapped the next genuis. and then stuck with him for freaking 10 years. he wouldn't even let him go in the last year, when things were bad. he just didn't want to payoff his contract.

it took Judge half a season to realize Garrett sucked and now he is out of coaching.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The national media, NFL fans, and even some Cowboys fans convinced themselves that Dak Prescott, who never really had a turnover problem until this year, was the problem.

I think a lot of that was the head coach and OC not being on the same page. stories came out about McCarthy telling that to be aggressive. that normally means attacking down field, pushing the ball, but when you call 10 yard curls and WR screens, then aggressive turns into stupid turnovers.....they were not on the same page philosophically and it started last year, with McCarthy's comments before playoffs that he doesn't manage the offense, in essence throwing Moore under the bus....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

People tell Jerry that so-and-so is the next big thing, and he gives them the opportunity to prove it

an old story but goodie..... during Jimmy's time, Jerry was sitting in a bar having a drink and a big dude next to him told him he played football and he can play offensive line, blah blah and Jerry said he will give him a try and told jimmy to try out the guy. suffice it to say, jimmy found out quickly how stupid jerry is and just threw the guy out (or something to that effect)...true story

that's jerry....

 

[noshame]

When you see the charger's offense with Kellen and Herbert you'll see why he has high praise. He's been raised around football all his life.
Starting with his dad and then continuing with Scott linehan, who Granted, I didn't care for his base offense but he is quite a smart football guy.
He sized up Dak in 10 minutes and created that 2016 offense to fit Daks skillset.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

This is only a theory on my part fueled by a few known facts.
KM was forced on MM. MM at first seemed to be ok with KM but over the course of two years grew increasingly frustrated with KMs offense as opposed to what he wanted to run. MM conveyed his concerns to JJ last year and JJ told him to give it another year. Once it was clear this year that MM and KM were not on the same page, it was mutually decided that KM could seek out other coaching opportunities. MM and KM knew that this would be his last year as OC and so KM was working behind the scenes looking for other opportunities and BS was brought in as the heir apparent. KM made some connections in SD during training camp and had a verbal agreement with SD that he would be their OC if he was not hired to be a HC somewhere. In other words, SD did not hire KM on a whim two hours after he was fired from Dallas, the possibility of going to SD was in place long before the season ended.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

When you see the charger's offense with Kellen and Herbert you'll see why he has high praise. He's been raised around football all his life.
Starting with his dad and then continuing with Scott linehan, who Granted, I didn't care for his base offense but he is quite a smart football guy.
He sized up Dak in 10 minutes and created that 2016 offense to fit Daks skillset.

You're giving Lineman a lot of credit.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Cowboy have had the number 2 offense (to the Chiefs) in the NFL since he took over. That is how he is able to get another coordinator job so quickly. The same is why EB will be able to get another coordinator’s position quickly. EB right now just needs to show it is not Reid/Mahomes and he will be a head coach.

Its odd that EB has to show it but others haven't. They pluck people off that Pattriots coaching tree all the way down from Special Teams. Joe Judge got a head coaching job before him. Insane.

 

[Adreme]

Its odd that EB has to show it but others haven't. They pluck people off that Pattriots coaching tree all the way down from Special Teams. Joe Judge got a head coaching job before him. Insane.

It’s because of the Patriots tree and because hiring Peyton Manning’s OC and Rodgers OC has not worked out that suddenly teams are hesitant to promote EB. He basically needs to get out from Reid and Mahomes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It’s because of the Patriots tree and because hiring Peyton Manning’s OC and Rodgers OC has not worked out that suddenly teams are hesitant to promote EB. He basically needs to get out from Reid and Mahomes.

And the Patriots tree works out? They literally all fail. And they don't even fail long. They usually get fired after a year or two lol. Reid's coaching tree has far more success lately.

Doug Pederson was the offensive coordinator for Reid and won a SB without him. Its not making sense. Maybe he's not interviewing they way they want.

 

[noshame]

You're giving Lineman a lot of credit.

Not really

 

[Adreme]

And the Patriots tree works out? They literally all fail. And they don't even fail long. They usually get fired after a year or two lol. Reid's coaching tree has far more success lately.

Doug Pederson was the offensive coordinator for Reid and won a SB without him. Its not making sense. Maybe he's not interviewing they way they want.

The point you are making is why EB isn’t getting a shot. Hiring OC who coached under super coaches with HoF QBs has failed numerous times whereas finding some hot college name or fresh OC who just had a hot year is the new trend. Yes the Raiders defied the trend but the Raiders always try to defy trends and it usually blows up in their face.

 

[CouchCoach]

Moore got that same tag that Garrett got from Aikman, "someday he's going to be a NFL HC". Only Chris Peterson, his coach at Boise State, gave it to Moore. He also let him be his own OC when he QB'd the Broncos.

Once that happened, he was on the radar and Linehan and Garrett furthered that in Dallas and Booger just picked up on it. Booger wouldn't know a coach from a baker.

I do recall when he and Sean Lee were both injured and rehabbing together, Lee making some very complimentary comments about plays Moore had drawn up. Which wouldn't mane much except he was a cerebral LB and studied offenses diligently.

With any OC, I come back to the same question, is it the play called or how it was executed?

 

[khiladi]

Reid was literally calling the plays from the sideline last night…

 

[khiladi]

And he rose, because he has a train wreck at QB and still puts points on the board.

 

[khiladi]

Moore was QB under Linehan at Detroit and came with him, because he would also run the practice squad and new the offense. He was always seen as intelligent, especially considering he was even allowed to call plays in college as the most einningest QB in college history, with only 3 losses, those losses apparently being questionable.

Dak-Stans out here saying Dak 2016 was because of Marc Sanchez and they should bring him back, while scapegoating Kellen Moore. It’s cute.

 

[khiladi]

The national media, NFL fans, and even some Cowboys fans convinced themselves that Dak Prescott, who never really had a turnover problem until this year, was the problem.

False…. Dak has had a TO problem since 2019, where he hasn’t gone more than 2 games without a TO. The actual real narrative is somehow Dak became regarded as a good QB, while accomplishing Jack squat, outside being a game manager behind a dominant OL and RG..

 

[khiladi]

BTW, if the Panthers didn’t hide Reich, Moore was the front-runner. In fact, he was on his way to the airport after his first interview and the FO called him and told him to turn around for a second interview.

Kellen Moore was also a finalist for the Miami Dolphins job and it was between him and Mike McDaniel.

Jerry Jones already knew the writing on the wall, which is Moore was going to bounce after the next year and there was nothing he could do about it.

Staley and Moore became friends because the Cowboys hold joint practices with the Chargers in the summer, so they knew what they were getting. And Jerry has ownership rights on the box seats in LA, so the Chargers filling seats is for his advantage as well.

 

[Roadtrip635]

There's a Kellen Moore Cult?