How do other teams do it?

[sureletsrace]

How do other teams win when their starting QB goes down?

I don't usually watch other teams play with backup QBs. I tend to watch marquee matchups, big games, etc.

Without resorting to the "they have real coaches" bit, do any of you have any other ideas as to what this team is missing out on?

Are we running the wrong offense?What's missing? Do we need to run easier plays for the backups? Anything out there we can hang our hat on?

Note: I know that coaching could be a big part of it. Spare me. I want to hear some other ideas/rationale.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

How do other teams win when their starting QB goes down?

I don't usually watch other teams play with backup QBs. I tend to watch marquee matchups, big games, etc.

Without resorting to the "they have real coaches" bit, do any of you have any ideas as to what this team is missing out on?

Are we running the wrong offense?What's missing? Do we need to run easier plays for the backups? Anything out there we can hang our hat on?

Coaches have to make adjustments and put the players they have in position to win. Its not rocket surgery.

 

[Alexander]

Are we running the wrong offense?

This. It requires a QB who can own the football game and push the ball downfield.

 

[mahoneybill]

This. It requires a QB who can own the football game and push the ball downfield.

Agree. If we have learned anything our current 2 last starters both have major flaws when it comes to instilling fear in the opposition, and are inaccurate / lack touch, and quick decision making. They are bus drivers who aren't even sitting in the right seat....

 

[Future]

The biggest problem is that our defense and offense never show up on the same day.

But mostly, we don't have an offensive scheme that gives players the opportunity to make plays.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Our offense isn't creative. Patriots wr's are always open on slants, crossing patterns, pick plays. But we won't use that. Most all other teams have or will.

 

[LucaBrasi]

well, the easiest answer is bold coaching decisions. Think Mike Tomlin going for the td at the 1 yard line in San Diego rather than kicking the guaranteed chip shot for a tie. Garrett coaches like his nuts are cut off.

Now, truthfully a couple of these games could have been decided by a bold coaching decision here or there. Like most NFL games, 3 of the 5 games without Romo have been decided by a handful of plays. 3 of the 5 losses were by 6 (ot), 7, and 1 point. Atlanta could probably be thrown in the category.

I think to win with the backup you have to be 1) extremely talented around the qb, 2) everyone has to play slightly better 3) the backup has to limit mistakes and 4) the coaching has to be completely on point. You could argue the Cowboys have none of the 4 covered.

 

[Idgit]

Universally, teams don't win if they are losing the passing efficiency differential. So either they lose, they have two QBs who can pass effectively, or they make the other guys pass poorly by taking the ball away and generally harassing the QB.

We've had the personnel to do the latter on the field for a few weeks now, finally. One game, we gave away anyway because we turned the ball over ourselves and gave up a ST touch and a defensive touch. This last game, we happened to play a team who also does the latter very well and lost a close one. So it goes.

 

[vaturkey]

Both our backup quarterbacks have an innate ability to to amplify greatly the talents of the opposing teams defenses. Its just an amazing gift that we hopefully will never see again once Romo returns.

 

[Sydla]

Our offense isn't creative. Patriots wr's are always open on slants, crossing patterns, pick plays. But we won't use that. Most all other teams have or will.

At first I was thinking it was just me............ that some teams just seem far more creative in the passing game, especially in the short passing game, than we are. Do we have any rub/pick plays in our playbook?

 

[sureletsrace]

I think to win with the backup you have to be 1) extremely talented around the qb, 2) everyone has to play slightly better 3) the backup has to limit mistakes and 4) the coaching has to be completely on point. You could argue the Cowboys have none of the 4 covered.

Great points. Garrett is extremely conservative. He needs to be more creative and willing to take risks.

We aren't winning **** as it stands anyways, what's the real risk?

 

[Avery]

There's also the adage that certain backup QB's are just better than others. We happen to have QB's that just aren't good.

Hard to win a lot of games through running when the box consistently is stacked with eight guys as no respect is being paid to the guy behind center.

 

[visionary]

It is s tough concept difficult for Cowboy fans to understand

It is called "coaching"
Look it up


Not just cliches
But actually coaching

It has been known to work

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

At first I was thinking it was just me............ that some teams just seem far more creative in the passing game, especially in the short passing game, than we are. Do we have any rub/pick plays in our playbook?

I read Garrett and the offensive coach won't use it.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Our offense isn't creative. Patriots wr's are always open on slants, crossing patterns, pick plays. But we won't use that. Most all other teams have or will.

Agreed, So the question remains, why? Is it stubborness?, lack of awareness? It just baffles me that this team has lost 5 in a row. This team talentwise, is not 5 loses in a row bad even with Weeden/Cassel at QB.

 

[sureletsrace]

It is s tough concept difficult for Cowboy fans to understand

It is called "coaching"
Look it up


Not just cliches
But actually coaching

It has been known to work

I noted in my post that I fully understand coaching is a part of it. Is there anything that can be done to overcome the lack of adjustments being made to give this team a chance to win?

 

[Risen Star]

How do other teams win when thier starting QB goes down?

They start with a real GM and a real head of personnel. You'll probably read a list of other reasons but none are as remotely important as that.

It was awful talent evaluation that doomed this season. These QBs are dreadful and give the team no chance whatsoever. That's on the decision makers in the front office.

 

[DFWJC]

A penalty here, a turnover there, no 102 yard kick returns..... and Dallas would have already won 2-3 of these games.
It's a very fine line.
I mean literally, just inches yesterday, at New Orleans and at New York...from wins.

My normal answer would be that they usually have better defenses. But our defense is coming around now--certainly they were the absolute last to blame yesterday.
But usually a team that wins with a backup ends up winning the turnover battles at the very least.

Coulda-woulda-shoulda

 

[LucaBrasi]

Great points. Garrett is extremely conservative. He needs to be more creative and willing to take risks.

We aren't winning **** as it stands anyways, what's the real risk?

Bob Sturm had a great article today about this. Its like Garrett doesnt realize he is playing with house money. Nobody in America expected him to beat the defending NFC Champs with their star qb and their terrific defense with Matt Bleeping Cassel under center. Why not roll the dice? How about going on 4th and 1 at the 15 on the opening drive? Hey, how about throwing a pass into the damn end zone after your defense provides its 1st turnover in 6 weeks? How about more than 3 off tackle runs after the blocked punt?

What a chicken **** way to coach. Pansy. This is the quickest way for players to quit on you, he's going to lose this locker room. When they bust their ***, and you coach scared and dont give them the best opportunity to win..

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

They start with a real GM and a real head of personnel. You'll probably read a list of other reasons but none are as remotely important as that.

It was awful talent evaluation that doomed this season. These QBs are dreadful and give the team no chance whatsoever. That's on the decision makers in the front office.

But our GM has the executive of the year award . . . . .