How Does The NFL Rate Defenses

[HighTechDave]

I stirred this up in the McBriar thread, but how does the NFL go about rating defenses, in detail? Do they have a ratio of yards allowed, int's, point, yada for each?

Inquiring minds need the FACTS!!!

 

[Stautner]

I stirred this up in the McBriar thread, but how does the NFL go about rating defenses, in detail? Do they have a ratio of yards allowed, int's, point, yada for each?

Inquiring minds need the FACTS!!!

When we were the No. 1 defense in 2003 i believe it was based strictly on yardage allowed.

 

[HighTechDave]

then that affects my hypothetical, doesn't it? LOL!!! Too good of a punter may affect defensive allowed yards.

Any, whoever knows the details (sorry Stautner, not a slam at all) please forward

 

[AdamJT13]

then that affects my hypothetical, doesn't it? LOL!!! Too good of a punter may affect defensive allowed yards.

Any, whoever knows the details (sorry Stautner, not a slam at all) please forward

The NFL's rankings are based strictly on net yards allowed. But there's no award for being ranked No. 1, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Stautner]

then that affects my hypothetical, doesn't it? LOL!!! Too good of a punter may affect defensive allowed yards.

Any, whoever knows the details (sorry Stautner, not a slam at all) please forward

LOL - well, if we suddenly find ourselves unable to stop anyone until they reach the 20 on every possession I'll concede defeat.

Realistically it seems to me that some combination of yardage allowed and scoring should be considered. Things like sacks and INT's and fumble recoveries probably shouldn't factored in because even though they are important they are just another means of stopping the opposing offense, which is already factored into yardage allowed.

Of course, scoring can also be skewed because the opposition's scoring opportunities can be influenced heavily by the effectiveness of your own offense. If your team fumbles a lot or throw a lot of INT's or just doesn't move the ball well the opposing offense will likely have a lot of fairly easy scoring opportunities.

 

[HighTechDave]

LOL - well, if we suddenly find ourselves unable to stop anyone until they reach the 20 on every possession I'll concede defeat.

Realistically it seems to me that some combination of yardage allowed and scoring should be considered. Things like sacks and INT's and fumble recoveries probably shouldn't factored in because even though they are important they are just another means of stopping the opposing offense, which is already factored into yardage allowed.

Of course, scoring can also be skewed because the opposition's scoring opportunities can be influenced heavily by the effectiveness of your own offense. If your team fumbles a lot or throw a lot of INT's or just doesn't move the ball well the opposing offense will likely have a lot of fairly easy scoring opportunities.

Totally agree. Are we the first ones to even address this? Can't be, too obvious that the NFL would have figured out a system long ago. They are that smart, Right?

But you cane see how a kicker who gets it deep in the enemies territory, allows thhat team to have a bigger playing field, increasing the chances of gaining more yards by a certain percentage on the defense?

OHHHH THE HORROR!!!!!!! I'm making it complex where the NFL might try jacking with it!!!

never mind NFL, we don't need a BCS system to figure out the best NFL defense, LOL!!!!

I'll shut up now.........

:bang2:

 

[HighTechDave]

ok, we are 5th in yards/play, 5th in 3rd downs % allowed, 1st in 4th down %allowed, dead last in penalty yards allowed (ouch!!!)

oh well

 

[Doomsday101]

When we were the No. 1 defense in 2003 i believe it was based strictly on yardage allowed.

We were also no 2 in points allowed. There are many different categories that you can look at in judging a defense for me the bottom line is points allowed. Defense number 1 job in my opinion is to hold the other team from scoring. Granted I want to see us get turnovers and sacks but at the end it comes down to points

 

[Stautner]

Totally agree. Are we the first ones to even address this? Can't be, too obvious that the NFL would have figured out a system long ago. They are that smart, Right?

But you cane see how a kicker who gets it deep in the enemies territory, allows thhat team to have a bigger playing field, increasing the chances of gaining more yards by a certain percentage on the defense?

OHHHH THE HORROR!!!!!!! I'm making it complex where the NFL might try jacking with it!!!

never mind NFL, we don't need a BCS system to figure out the best NFL defense, LOL!!!!

I'll shut up now.........

:bang2:

LOL - we can't leave this alone.

I accept that a big time kicker provides more playing field to work with and therefore OPPORTUNITY for more yardage, but it still comes down to yardage gained, not yardage available to be gained.

 

[HighTechDave]

LOL - we can't leave this alone.

I accept that a big time kicker provides more playing field to work with and therefore OPPORTUNITY for more yardage, but it still comes down to yardage gained, not yardage available to be gained.

smaller playing field, less percentage of a chance of gaining big yards, and less area to throw and run the ball. odds are in favor.

ok, I'm done beating that head horse, but let me ask this question to continue the drama. Go to:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2006/regular

on the top line, rate what your priority would be on each column, or for that matter what columns should be considered, then rate them 1/2/3...

Then we'll put a power percentage on each on, based on the priority and see who the number one defense is on our model.

I'll submit it to Norm and Spags on the Ticket, get their input (unless they want to chime in here)

I see a segment on the Ticket coming, unless 103.3 can beat them to it.

gotta love drama and competition

:laugh2:

 

[DallasDomination]

Put it this way. if you play 4 horrible teams that dont have crap of offense, you will probably have teh best Defense in the NFl.

Net yards...Terrible way to rank a defense..But hey these so called experts and Stat Freaks know best.

 

[AdamJT13]

ok, we are 5th in yards/play, 5th in 3rd downs % allowed, 1st in 4th down %allowed, dead last in penalty yards allowed (ouch!!!)

The penalty yards are the total penalty yards for our OPPONENTS, not us. All of a team's penalties committed (offense, defense, special teams combined) are listed under the offensive stats, and all of the opponents' penalties are listed under the defensive stats. Don't ask me why they do it that way, but they do.

 

[Doomsday101]

Put it this way. if you play 4 horrible teams that dont have crap of offense, you will probably have teh best Defense in the NFl.

Net yards...Terrible way to rank a defense..But hey these so called experts and Stat Freaks know best.

True but then at the end of the year it seems the teams ranked at the top are the teams in the playoffs.

 

[Stautner]

smaller playing field, less percentage of a chance of gaining big yards, and less area to throw and run the ball. odds are in favor.

ok, I'm done beating that head horse, but let me ask this question to continue the drama. Go to:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2006/regular

on the top line, rate what your priority would be on each column, or for that matter what columns should be considered, then rate them 1/2/3...

Then we'll put a power percentage on each on, based on the priority and see who the number one defense is on our model.

I'll submit it to Norm and Spags on the Ticket, get their input (unless they want to chime in here)

I see a segment on the Ticket coming, unless 103.3 can beat them to it.

gotta love drama and competition

:laugh2:

1. Yards per game
2. Yards per play
3. Points allowed
4. 1st Downs per game
5. 3rd down %

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

The NFL's rankings are based strictly on net yards allowed. But there's no award for being ranked No. 1, so it doesn't really matter.

Great point Adam.........

I think the must important stat is points against!

 

[DallasInDC]

The penalty yards are the total penalty yards for our OPPONENTS, not us. All of a team's penalties committed (offense, defense, special teams combined) are listed under the offensive stats, and all of the opponents' penalties are listed under the defensive stats. Don't ask me why they do it that way, but they do.

Wow, I did not know that. All this time I have been using that as the defensive penalties. It doesn't really make sense though.

 

[HighTechDave]

and here we are, a bunch of football fan hacks, and we are killing the NFL in knowledge of what needs to be done.

Go figure, and they overcharge us for NFL watching fooball.

 

[Garret]

This may be a dumb question but I was wondering If points scored on special teams (like the run back this weekend) does that go against our D