How does the process of determining who gets paid what?

[Redball Express]

I have have always wondered how this deciding of how much players get paid. It drives the whole concept of the sport.

Whatever is left over after the players are paid goes to the owners. Then all the costs and revenues have to be added up and money for contingency things must be set aside each year.

Can you imagine the work involved and the expense. Boggling.

But my main point of this thread is about the roster of the Cowboys. One small part.

I think the team must have some formula about what they will pay a certain position. Or a certain position group.

Somewhere teams must have a blueprint which can be changed becuz of the cap and how the team placed emphasis on different positions.

WR,RB,OL,DL,DB,DB, ST.

And if so, when the position is going to exceed a certain budget, it's either extended with an increase or decrease.

Or even a cut or a trade.

You should also figure out the pay for the coaches, how much, how many, who can get paid coaching in more than one area..etc.

And exactly who or whom makes those final decisions is anybodies guess. Jerrah or a BODs?

It's got to be quite an interesting process.

I was wondering if anybody has any insights to this?

Thanx in advance. This aught to be right up you bean counter's alley.

Comments?

 

[JoeKing]

GM

 

[jaythecowboy]

Players make a certain percentage of revenue. The split is around 48% to the players. Teams have to navigate the salary cap but that is removed from what the owners are paying on the business side.

 

[Bobhaze]

I have have always wondered how this deciding of how much players get paid. It drives the whole concept of the sport.

Whatever is left over after the players are paid goes to the owners. Then all the costs and revenues have to be added up and money for contingency things must be set aside each year.

Can you imagine the work involved and the expense. Boggling.

But my main point of this thread is about the roster of the Cowboys. One small part.

I think the team must have some formula about what they will pay a certain position. Or a certain position group.

Somewhere teams must have a blueprint which can be changed becuz of the cap and how the team placed emphasis on different positions.

WR,RB,OL,DL,DB,DB, ST.

And if so, when the position is going to exceed a certain budget, it's either extended with an increase or decrease.

Or even a cut or a trade.

You should also figure out the pay for the coaches, how much, how many, who can get paid coaching in more than one area..etc.

And exactly who or whom makes those final decisions is anybodies guess. Jerrah or a BODs?

It's got to be quite an interesting process.

I was wondering if anybody has any insights to this?

Thanx in advance. This aught to be right up you bean counter's alley.

Comments?

This is probably more complex than my answer but the simple truth is that all athletes in professional sports have a market value. That value is by position and somewhat by accomplishments and years of experience. It is not determined by an individual, but rather the collective standards of what other teams do.

Just like in other professions, NFL players have a very good idea what their value is and their agents are being paid to get the most for their clients.

What most fans fail to understand when they say a player should take less than market value is this: What is market value today won’t be in 6-12 months. QB pay is absolutely the highest because they are the hardest position to find competency. If ourFO had been smart, they would have signed Dak last year for less than what they are trying to pay him now. The longer you wait to pay someone in this league, the more expensive it gets.

Whether we like it...or not- The NFL market for a starting QB getting a second contract is about 35 mil a year. Asking less and expecting less than what Carson Wentz got is a waste of time IMO. That’s just what a second contract nfl starting QB is going to get in this league.

 

[Redball Express]

This is probably more complex than my answer but the simple truth is that all athletes in professional sports have a market value. That value is by position and somewhat by accomplishments and years of experience. It is not determined by an individual, but rather the collective standards of what other teams do.

Just like in other professions, NFL players have a very good idea what their value is and their agents are being paid to get the most for their clients.

What most fans fail to understand when they say a player should take less than market value is this: What is market value today won’t be in 6-12 months. QB pay is absolutely the highest because they are the hardest position to find competency. If ourFO had been smart, they would have signed Dak last year for less than what they are trying to pay him now. The longer you wait to pay someone in this league, the more expensive it gets.

Whether we like it...or not- The NFL market for a starting QB getting a second contract is about 35 mil a year. Asking less and expecting less than what Carson Wentz got is a waste of time IMO. That’s just what a second contract nfl starting QB is going to get in this league.

Yep.

Good answers.

Knew you would have some views.

My questions are treading on subjects most of us have not a care..

but because we do not know the answers or even the right questions..

nobody knows diddly.

Unexplored territory.

Later.

 

[JoeKing]

In the Cowboys FO, Stephen is the money man and of course, Jerry has the final say about everything. It's not any more complicated than that.

 

[CouchCoach]

You are giving this bunch too much credit but that is exactly how the mad scientist in NE does it and he will wiggle on that a little but not much. He realizes if he wiggles once, he'll be in motion constantly. And if he wiggles, it's once like a Brandin Cooks for the short term.

The failing of the Cowboys has not changed because they are not team driven, they are player, or more star driven to be specific. Belichick is all team driven. No way he does one of those Lawrence, Elliott or Smith deals, he didn't even attempt to keep Flowers because he has the self-discipline to follow his own blueprint. He knows money must equal production.

There's something else about Belichick that I don't know how many have discovered but he intrigues the hell out of me because he's the only guy to figure this out. And he also figured out his shortcoming that his formula helps him overcome.

He's good at recognizing talent but far from perfect. He's not really a great drafter and since he drafts at the bottom most of the time that compounds it. He realized early on that any player he "overpaid" had to be balanced with an affordable overperformer and he plans on injuries happening. He also doesn't get himself wedged into a power struggle between him and a star. Just think about the effect of him willing to trade the GOAT QB. Any player going to stand up to that? Every player on the Patriots knows they can't play Belichick because he sees the forest before he sees the trees. And he has the 100% backing of his owner, Kraft had to broker a compromise to keep his favorite player of all time.

The Cowboys do not have a blueprint, never have unless someone like Johnson or Parcells was in the picture and even they struggled to handle it like Belichick does. The thing that Belichick discovered early on that few others have is the first thing he had to get under control was himself. He just doesn't waver from that self-discipline that has made him the greatest team builder in NFL history and he knows better than anyone, it is never truly finished, it's always under construction and he doesn't run out of money while there is still work to be done.

 

[CouchCoach]

This is probably more complex than my answer but the simple truth is that all athletes in professional sports have a market value. That value is by position and somewhat by accomplishments and years of experience. It is not determined by an individual, but rather the collective standards of what other teams do.

Just like in other professions, NFL players have a very good idea what their value is and their agents are being paid to get the most for their clients.

What most fans fail to understand when they say a player should take less than market value is this: What is market value today won’t be in 6-12 months. QB pay is absolutely the highest because they are the hardest position to find competency. If ourFO had been smart, they would have signed Dak last year for less than what they are trying to pay him now. The longer you wait to pay someone in this league, the more expensive it gets.

Whether we like it...or not- The NFL market for a starting QB getting a second contract is about 35 mil a year. Asking less and expecting less than what Carson Wentz got is a waste of time IMO. That’s just what a second contract nfl starting QB is going to get in this league.

Hence "the market" that some use but do not seem to fully understand.

The market is not set by any player, it is set by the shortage of quality players at any given position and the prices have been driven up by teams with a lot of cap space they need to spend as much as the players. Byron Jones will be a prime example because this is a sort FA season on CB's and there aren't enough good ones to go around. BPA doesn't just apply to the draft.

 

[Creeper]

I think the Cowboys base it on how much Jerry likes the player personally.

But most teams have a plan or guidelines. They know what the CAP is and the allocate a certain percentage to each position. Its not rigid but it serves as a guideline. I read some teams have a hard line on how much they will allocate to any one player, even the QB.

I don't see how any team can do this right without creating some kind of 5 year road map, or 4 years at least. It also has to be managed in totality rather than player by player. I don;t think any team should be in a position of having half the roster becoming free agents at the same time. The Cowboys have 25 free agents this year. I heard someone on the radio say the Saints have 27! I am not sure how either team allowed that to happen, but maybe the CBA expiration had something to do with that.

 

[Ranched]

Players should get paid on their performance. I guarantee you, hit them in the pocket, you'll receive 110% on the field.

 

[KJJ]

The QB will always be the highest paid because that’s the most important position in all of football. No player influences the outcome of games more than the QB. There’s a reason it’s a QB driven league. Players who impact the game the most are going to get paid the most. That’s the formula.

 

[Verdict]

I have have always wondered how this deciding of how much players get paid. It drives the whole concept of the sport.

Whatever is left over after the players are paid goes to the owners. Then all the costs and revenues have to be added up and money for contingency things must be set aside each year.

Can you imagine the work involved and the expense. Boggling.

But my main point of this thread is about the roster of the Cowboys. One small part.

I think the team must have some formula about what they will pay a certain position. Or a certain position group.

Somewhere teams must have a blueprint which can be changed becuz of the cap and how the team placed emphasis on different positions.

WR,RB,OL,DL,DB,DB, ST.

And if so, when the position is going to exceed a certain budget, it's either extended with an increase or decrease.

Or even a cut or a trade.

You should also figure out the pay for the coaches, how much, how many, who can get paid coaching in more than one area..etc.

And exactly who or whom makes those final decisions is anybodies guess. Jerrah or a BODs?

It's got to be quite an interesting process.

I was wondering if anybody has any insights to this?

Thanx in advance. This aught to be right up you bean counter's alley.

Comments?

I think that teams have to have some “hard cap” internally about what they are willing to pay a player in terms of the position they play, value to the team and percentage of the cap.

But I think you also have to look at it from the other perspective and say, I can pay player A $20m per year but player B who is 95 percent of player A I can pay $10m. Which a re you going to do.

The teams that are failing at the cap pay average talent too money. Tank falls into that category.

 

[cowboy_ron]

It SHOULD be based on production and the fair market value of that production at their respective positions.........but it's not............too many are caught up wanting to be THE highest paid which speaks volumes of their character.

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[Redball Express]

I think that teams have to have some “hard cap” internally about what they are willing to pay a player in terms of the position they play, value to the team and percentage of the cap.

But I think you also have to look at it from the other perspective and say, I can pay player A $20m per year but player B who is 95 percent of player A I can pay $10m. Which a re you going to do.

The teams that are failing at the cap pay average talent too money. Tank falls into that category.

Nice insight.

I have never seen anyplace this stuff has been explained.

Maybe in somebodies autobiography or somewhere?

Or maybe if they tell you, they got to kill you?

 

[Redball Express]

I prefer ouija boards myself

Rock, paper, scissors too.

Einey meaney miney moe..

One potatoes, two potatoes, etc.

I'm very scientific.

 

[Redball Express]

It SHOULD be based on production and the fair market value of that production at their respective positions.........but it's not............too many are caught up wanting to be THE highest paid which speaks volumes of their character.

Thanx Jerrah..

Now go count your money.

 

[Verdict]

You are giving this bunch too much credit but that is exactly how the mad scientist in NE does it and he will wiggle on that a little but not much. He realizes if he wiggles once, he'll be in motion constantly. And if he wiggles, it's once like a Brandin Cooks for the short term.

The failing of the Cowboys has not changed because they are not team driven, they are player, or more star driven to be specific. Belichick is all team driven. No way he does one of those Lawrence, Elliott or Smith deals, he didn't even attempt to keep Flowers because he has the self-discipline to follow his own blueprint. He knows money must equal production.

There's something else about Belichick that I don't know how many have discovered but he intrigues the hell out of me because he's the only guy to figure this out. And he also figured out his shortcoming that his formula helps him overcome.

He's good at recognizing talent but far from perfect. He's not really a great drafter and since he drafts at the bottom most of the time that compounds it. He realized early on that any player he "overpaid" had to be balanced with an affordable overperformer and he plans on injuries happening. He also doesn't get himself wedged into a power struggle between him and a star. Just think about the effect of him willing to trade the GOAT QB. Any player going to stand up to that? Every player on the Patriots knows they can't play Belichick because he sees the forest before he sees the trees. And he has the 100% backing of his owner, Kraft had to broker a compromise to keep his favorite player of all time.

The Cowboys do not have a blueprint, never have unless someone like Johnson or Parcells was in the picture and even they struggled to handle it like Belichick does. The thing that Belichick discovered early on that few others have is the first thing he had to get under control was himself. He just doesn't waver from that self-discipline that has made him the greatest team builder in NFL history and he knows better than anyone, it is never truly finished, it's always under construction and he doesn't run out of money while there is still work to be done.

This right here is spot on. I could not have said it better myself. This is the recipe for success.

Yoi can have sacred cows on your team if you want but if you do it precludes success. You can overpay players if you want but it precludes success. You can keep guys around if they underperform but that also precludes success.

The same idiots around who parrot pay the man on every player are the same people who wonder why we don’t have a SB since 95.

Hard decisions have to be made. You have to part with players you don’t want to part with. That’s part of the formula for success.

The market may require you to pay a player a certain amount of money to keep that player but at some point you dig in, stand your ground and walk away from that player.

That is the recipe for success in the salary cap era.

 

[Redball Express]

I think that teams have to have some “hard cap” internally about what they are willing to pay a player in terms of the position they play, value to the team and percentage of the cap.

But I think you also have to look at it from the other perspective and say, I can pay player A $20m per year but player B who is 95 percent of player A I can pay $10m. Which a re you going to do.

The teams that are failing at the cap pay average talent too money. Tank falls into that category.

Yeah.

It's sort of once you slot everybody and the season starts..

It's like a big roulette wheel.

"Round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows.."

So another words, these 32 owners have a big gambling game going. It moves from city to city and they collect no matter what.

Wish I had thought of that.

 

[Redball Express]

Players should get paid on their performance. I guarantee you, hit them in the pocket, you'll receive 110% on the field.

That was short and sweet.

Perhaps you should make a banner and hang over Jerrah's desk so players and agents can read it negotiating.