How Eberflus can still help Dallas

[Pants]

How to fix Dallas (with a little help from Eberflus)

ok, so a little bored but in reading a few other threads, tweets, nonsensical things, how would this be?

1) Put non-exclusive tag on Lawrence; many of us (me included) were upset that Eberflus left, but what if he talks the Indy FO into going after Lawrence and offering him a "my GOD" deal, Lawrence would be better in 2018 than any rookie DE....Dallas doesn't match the deal and gets indy's 1st rounder this year and next

2) Dez gets moved (see thread link below). We trade him to some team that is one WR away from legitimately competing for some playoff success; we get a 3rd round pick in return and save a ton of cap space
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/dez-for-earl-thomas-discuss-among-yourselves.396591/#post-7904241


When the dust settles, we don't have Dez, we do have a lot more cap space, we have the #3 pick in the first round as well as a 3rd rounder to go with our other 10 picks

Options:

A) do you trade up from #3 to leap ahead of the Giants and get the player that you REALLY want; if a QB, perhaps, but otherwise, you use the 3rd pick on Chubb from NC State and then still have #19 for BPA

B) that spiffy #3, what if the Browns don't take a QB with the first pick? OMG, that almost assures that they use #4 on a QB; BUT, @ #5, you have the Broncos that will want a QB before the Browns @#4 not to mention the Jets who almost certainly are drafting a QB @ #6....so, perhaps one of them jumps ahead of the Browns to get a QB; we likely still get Chubb if that type of trade happens...

C) see B above...whether we keep #3 or not, do we THEN use that on Mr Nelson from ND? if we trade back from #3 to either #5 or #6, then they had better go up and get a 2nd rd and more from either of those teams...more draft capital...so, @ #5 or #6, we take Chubb or Nelson

D) now that Dez is gone and we have more draft capital, send one of the picks that we acquired in the Dez move or from B or C above and go get that neat little safety from Seattle named Thomas (that was the premise of the thread link above, not my original idea, but I dig it)

E) if B, C, and D all happen, we pick up nice picks and give something back for Thomas, but now that we have Chubb in the fold (likely), we use the #19 on Vea and use a 2nd rounder or a 3rd on the best WR available; with the cap savings from Dez, you go out in FA and grab up Landy from Miami and Watkins from the Rams (sure, that will cost some, but I also remove Williams, Beasley and Butler)
- the middle of the defense is vastly improved and we have a rookie DE that has "great" potential

Out: Dez, Lawrence
In: Landry, Watkins, Chubb, Vea, 2nd rd WR (Kirk from Texas A&M?)


Fantasy World? perhaps...but who knows how much Eberflus likes Lawrence...if he likes him enough to pull that trigger and Dallas doesn't match, then that #3 is a game-changer, especially since Indy isn't likely going to be fantastic in 2018, so next year so their 1st rounder next year gets us a mid-first round pick.

I await comments, ridicule, etc....I get it that Dallas does not employ the "Trader Jack" philosophy but, again, I'm bored at the moment until the combine is here

Go Dallas

 

[charron]

Cap space doesn't matter if you don't use it wisely. I'm not seeing alot of good players coming here on the cheap.

 

[gimmesix]

So we take the only decent pass rusher we've been able to acquire since DeMarcus Ware and let him go to another team for draft picks that could fail to even gain us nothing. It's not like we had been hurting for a dominant pass rusher for years.

 

[gmoney112]

*looks for nearest escape route*

 

[robjay04]

Nobody is trading two firsts for Lawrence.

If Eberflus talks a team as deficient as the Colts to trade two firsts and give a huge contract to Lawrence then go ahead take him but it’s not happening. Nobody is trading multiple firsts anymore unless it’s for a QB...much less the third overall pick.

Now them chasing Irving would be a more realistic scenario.

 

[robjay04]

So we take the only decent pass rusher we've been able to acquire since DeMarcus Ware and let him go to another team for draft picks that could fail to even gain us nothing. It's not like we had been hurting for a dominant pass rusher for years.

Oh you take the 3rd overall pick and probably a top 10 pick in 2019 for Lawrence anyday of the week.

Broncos would probably listen closely to a deal like that for Von Miller.

But it’s not realistic, I doubt madden even accepts that trade.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

So you're kool with letting go of Lawrence (14.5 sacks even with the zebras allowing gross holding the last 10 games) for Chubb (a rookie that'll take a year + to develop)? IDK. That'll take a lot of star alignment for ABCDE to happen. I can see those wanting mega change would be happy with this turn over. We've not had a pass rush in 5 years and now folks want to get rid of it ... don't know about that.

I really don't care though. The serpent is not the problem, it's the head of the serpent ... JJ and JG & Company

 

[noshame]

Hate the post

Just felt.like dancin

 

[Jinxx13x]

This is gonna be a long Summer LOL

 

[dwreck27]

Anyone saying the colts aren’t dumb enough to do this forget that they traded a first round pick on an already labeled BUST Trent Richardson

 

[cern]

If by your theory he's helping us, does that mean he's hurting the Colts. His new team. Not career moves for Matt.

 

[acr731]

The best way he could help Dallas would be to convince Colts management to lure Garrett to Indy.

Great for Dallas, a nail in the coffin for Indy.

 

[jazzcat22]

Would we get their pick this year or would be be the 2019 and 2020 picks?
I don’t believe it goes to this years picks. I am not sure, but would need to look it up.

 

[robjay04]

Anyone saying the colts aren’t dumb enough to do this forget that they traded a first round pick on an already labeled BUST Trent Richardson

He was not labeled a bust at that point. He had 11 touchdowns as a rookie on a bad team and he was almost unanimously considering a top 20 FF pick before his sophomore year(I know FF doesn’t mean much but it shows you he had high expectations based on his rookie season).

I seem to remember most people thinking the Browns were dumb trading him and the Colts got a steal.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Lawrence has multiple red flags
Back surgeries
Suspensions
Mediocre production in the back half of the season, once he had made a name for himself

I would rather convert his value to picks. Since we don't own him, that requires some kind of sign/franchise and trade. Hard to see that working out either.

Anyone who buys now is buying high.

One thing to keep in mind - if we let him go, we're pretty well assured of getting a third round comp pick out of him.

 

[gimmesix]

Oh you take the 3rd overall pick and probably a top 10 pick in 2019 for Lawrence anyday of the week.

Broncos would probably listen closely to a deal like that for Von Miller.

But it’s not realistic, I doubt madden even accepts that trade.

The No. 3 pick in this past draft was DE Solomon Thomas. He had three sacks this year, no passes defensed, no forced fumbles and 41 tackles.

In addition to his 14.5 sacks, Lawrence had four forced fumbles, a pass defensed and 58 tackles.

So no, I don't take it because you don't know what you are going to get. I don't give up a player who has proven he can be a star for draft picks that can be wasted. I don't know how Thomas is going to turn out, but I know what Lawrence can do.

 

[robjay04]

The No. 3 pick in this past draft was DE Solomon Thomas. He had three sacks this year, no passes defensed, no forced fumbles and 41 tackles.

In addition to his 14.5 sacks, Lawrence had four forced fumbles, a pass defensed and 58 tackles.

So no, I don't take it because you don't know what you are going to get. I don't give up a player who has proven he can be a star for draft picks that can be wasted. I don't know how Thomas is going to turn out, but I know what Lawrence can do.

Well i disagree.

I’ll take two 5 year manageable, fixed contracts for high upside players over a 5 year contract worth just south of 100 million for a player who had one dominant season out of 4.

Would you want Dallas to package two first round picks for a player on Lawrence’s level?

Out of four seasons, you have one season cut short by injuries, one season where he was “solid”, one season that was lost due to a suspension and injuries and then a dominant season during the season that by far had the most financial incentives for Lawrence. I don’t think handing him huge guarantees is much less risky than a rookie.

FWIW, I want Lawrence back but if a team picking in the top 5 offered us two firsts including one in the top 5? I do that trade for probably any player on this team.

 

[Redball Express]

Cap space doesn't matter if you don't use it wisely. I'm not seeing alot of good players coming here on the cheap.

Agreed.

Our history of losing for 25 years inspires nobody to come here.

Living off old successes gets old.

I doubt we ever are Champs again.

The players have to want it.

They never do.

They talk a good game.

But when Sunday comes..

they are not going to do what has to be done.

They have their game check and move on.

 

[Alexander]

The best way Eberflus could help the Cowboys is convincing the Colts to overpay for Anthony Hitchens and keep the Cowboys from panicking and sinking money into him.

 

[gimmesix]

Well i disagree.

I’ll take two 5 year manageable, fixed contracts for high upside players over a 5 year contract worth just south of 100 million for a player who had one dominant season out of 4.

Would you want Dallas to package two first round picks for a player on Lawrence’s level?

Out of four seasons, you have one season cut short by injuries, one season where he was “solid”, one season that was lost due to a suspension and injuries and then a dominant season during the season that by far had the most financial incentives for Lawrence. I don’t think handing him huge guarantees is much less risky than a rookie.

FWIW, I want Lawrence back but if a team picking in the top 5 offered us two firsts including one in the top 5? I do that trade for probably any player on this team.

If we had the chance to trade for Charles Haley back in the day and the price was two first-round picks? I'd certainly be tempted knowing how Haley turned out. There's enough history to be concerned about to not make that trade with Lawrence, but as the team he is on, a team that has failed repeatedly at finding a "war daddy" DE, it would take a lot to pry him out of my hands ... including more than just two draft picks that could fail.

Some of you seem to think the draft is some kind of guarantee of success just because we would get a top 10 when the history shows failure after failure. So again, I don't trade my proven success for potential failure. If Lawrence was excess, I'd be tempted, but right now, he and Irving are the only pass rushers who have shown any kind of consistency for this team. Without him, teams double Irving and take chances with our other pass rushers.