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.....never/still doesn't get the respect or credit that he deserves for the career he had? I had a discussion with a friend today and we both thought it was sad that a lot of people (media) don't even put Emmitt in their top 5. Some have him in the bottom half of their top 10.

Here are my thoughts:

First of all, I believe the Cowboys offensive line of the 90s got too much credit for the career Emmitt had, and it seems to me that he made that line look better than what it was. I say that because the first 2 years he made the Pro-Bowl, NONE of his linemen made it, or when he won his first rushing title none of his linemen made it. Jimmy Johnson and Nate Newton both admitted that there were several times when the line wasn't blocking well that Emmitt bailed them out. I will say that those linemen do deserve credit for stepping their games up, but Emmitt was a major factor in the way they were perceived, along with the coaches, and Moose.

The thing that kills me about the whole thing is the ridiculous misconception that the line had 5 garunteed Hall Of Famers, ANYBODY could run behind that line and get 1000 yards, Barry Sanders would get 2000 yards every year. There are a lot of people who think the line from that era is the best in NFL history. The thing about it is 3/5 of that line was there years before Emmitt got there. Jim Erkenbeck couldn't do much with them, and they were considered mediocre linemen. I'm talking about Nate Newton, Mark Tuinei, and Kevin Gogan. All 3 were there when Tony Dorsett was still on the team. Tuinei was there when TD was still IN HIS PRIME!!! He came to the team in 1983 as a DT, then got converted. Newton came in 1986, and Gogan the year after.

I just have one question: If that line was as good as everybody made them out to be, why couldn't Emmitt's back-ups come in and put up the same production whenever he wasn't in the game? They had to run behind that same line, and they got their chances to produce when Emmitt was either getting a breather, or when he was hurt and couldn't get it done.

I think the things that are said about Emmitt and that offensive line are better suited for Terrell Davis. How else could you explain Denver having a 1000 yard rusher in 10 out of the past 11 seasons? In that span they had 5 DIFFERENT backs go over 1000 (Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns). Whenever Terell Davis didn't play, the Broncos running game actually didn't miss a beat. That makes you wonder whether it was the offensive line or the system. I believe it was both. How else could Mike Anderson come in from the Marines and rush for almost 1500 as a rookie?

One last thing, I don't believe that the Lions line gets enough credit for what Barry Sanders did. Last time I checked, football was still a team sport. Barry didn't do all of that on his own, that line had to do SOMETHING right for him to get all those yards. People act like the offensive line wasn't there at all, like the offense was in skeleton and the defense had their full 11 players. ALL running backs look the same with no offensive line, even the best ones would look average. I don't care whether the RB is Jim Brown, Walter Payton, or whoever, if you don't have a line to block for you, you are going nowhere, PERIOD.
 

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Thomas82 said:
I had a discussion with a friend today and we both thought it was sad that a lot of people (media) don't even put Emmitt in their top 5. Some have him in the bottom half of their top 10.
Honestly, I have never seen an all time RB list without Emmitt in the top 5. Ever. If one existed, I would seriously question whoever assembled it.
 

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I agree with you completely. I've certainly heard people say that statistically Emmitt is one of the best running backs ever. He didn't have the flashiness or size of some other running backs, but he had the most important trait: consistency. He was almost always able to pick up a few yards every carry and did it for many many years.
 

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I believe he gets his due. I believe that as his time gets closer to induction, he will receive even more. I have never thought Emmitt was the best but I do believe he is in gthe top 5.
 

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i get alot of "if he didn't have that oline he wouldn't be as good" bs from my teachers haha
 

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In 2002, before Emmitt even set the rushing record, ESPN had John Clayton, Merril Hoge, Tom Jackson, Andrea Kremer, Mark Malone, Chris Mortensen, Len Pasquarelli, Sean Salisbury, Mark Schlereth and Joe Theismann all rank their top 10 running backs of all-time. Emmitt finished third in the poll, behind Jim Brown and Walter Payton. Of the 10 panelists, the only ones who didn't have Emmitt in the top five were Tom Jackson (he had Emmitt eighth -- and Barry Sanders 10th) and Len Pasquarelli (he had Emmitt sixth).

The format of the table is messed up, but here's the top of the article --


Brown heads ESPN.com's Top 10 RBs

Editor's note: This ranking was compiled using top 10 lists from a panel of
ESPN NFL experts. The voters were: John Clayton (JC), Merril Hoge (MH), Tom
Jackson (TJ), Andrea Kremer (AK), Mark Malone (MM), Chris Mortensen (CM),
Len Pasquarelli (LP), Sean Salisbury (SS), Mark Schlereth (MS) and Joe
Theismann (JT).

Players received 10 points for a first-place vote, nine points for second
and so on down to one point for a 10th-place vote. To vote for your top
back, click here.

Top 10 RBs

Player/voter JC MH TJ AK MM CM LP SS MS JT Total
1. Jim Brown 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 98
2. Walter Payton 9 10 8 8 9 7 8 10 9 9 87
3. Emmitt Smith 6 6 3 9 7 6 5 8 6 8 64
4. Barry Sanders 8 8 1 7 4 8 9 7 4 4 60
5t. E. Dickerson 3 5 6 5 3 5 7 4 5 3 46
5t. O.J. Simpson -- 4 7 1 2 9 6 2 8 7 46
7. Earl Campbell -- -- 9 6 -- 4 -- 3 7 -- 29
8. Gale Sayers 2 3 -- -- 8 1 -- 5 1 6 20
9. Marshall Faulk -- 7 -- 3 1 2 -- 6 -- 1 20
10. Tony Dorsett 4 2 4 -- -- 3 2 1 -- -- 16

Others receiving votes (points): Franco Harris (14), Marcus Allen (13), Bill
Dudley (7), Red Grange (5), Terrell Davis (5), Joe Perry (4), Steve Van
Buren (3), Larry Csonka (3), John Riggins (2), John Henry Johnson (1),
Johnny Blood McNally (1) and Thurman Thomas (1).
 

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When people start throwing out the line and how bad the Lions line was I ask them if the Lions line was so bad why did everyone rave about their offense Herman Moore barry etc it was not the detriot oline that was the issue it was the revolving door they had at QB and Barry was not a TD machine like Emmitt and that was not all the Dallas oline
 

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I have had countless arguments on other forums with people about this. I found out that most of the people I argued with were 16-18 years old and do not remember Emmitt in his prime.

They remember Barry rushing for 2000 and Emmitt a slow, shell of what he used to be. These are also the same people who think Tags made the NFL better and that today's league is just excellent and not at all watered down (which it is).

They also don't realize that Barry would rush for -4, -3, -7, +50 yards. He was not consistent at all...I still remember Lion fans raving when Barry was injured and they started winning games because the back up always gained yards unlike Barry. As soon as BS came back, they started losing again.

Barry would dance around for a 5 yard loss with a huge hole sitting in front of him. He was electric, but not a "good" back for a winning team. He had no leadership qualities and quit on his team...left them hanging actually.

I still dry heave when I hear a show like Jim Rome and Barry comes on...he gets fellated and egged into saying that he would have the rushing record if he stayed around, but he is a "good" guy because he quit before breaking it...which then leads to Emmitt being a "selfish" and "bad" guy because he stuck around for the record.

The same qualities in Emmitt that wanted the record are also the ones that got him 3 ****ing Super bowl rings. But, instead we hear about how great Barry was while all the horror stories from fans about him standing them up on autograph sessions are swept under the rug.
 

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Nice points Thomas82. For me, Emmitt is the best.

Yes he had a great O line for a period in his career. However, I dont recall that same O-line being so great in the later portions of his career.

I recall one of Emmitt's highlighted statistics during the early years, was the number of tackles he would break before going down. He also had the number of yards gained, before he got hit statistic.

Bottom line, he had the heart to finish, follow through with one of his aspirations, and keep playing because the game meant that much to him. Wasnt the fastest, wasnt the biggest, but did it better longer than anyone else.
 

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I really wouldn't worry about what others think...Emmitt put up the numbers and he is the leading rusher of all time...
 

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calico said:
They also don't realize that Barry would rush for -4, -3, -7, +50 yards. He was not consistent at all...I still remember Lion fans raving when Barry was injured and they started winning games because the back up always gained yards unlike Barry. As soon as BS came back, they started losing again.

I think I remember hearing that he had actually lost 1,000+ yards over his career.
 

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Wanna know my top 10 RB's list?

#s 1 throgh 10 = Emmitt

#s 11 through 20 = the next 10 best RB's of all time, and I cna care less in what order I would rank them because none hold a candle to Emmitt.

Period! Next thread...!

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My favorite is the offensive line argument. Emmitt had a couple of undrafted free agent castoffs blocking for him (Newton, Tuinei). I think Step was a fourth round pick. I don't think he had a single first rounder blocking for him.

Look at the other side of the coin.....those linemen received a lot of accolades they probably wouldn't have if a guy other than Emmitt Smith had been their running back.

Barry Sanders had a few Pro Bowlers blocking for him up in Detroit as well.

Like someone else noted, Sanders wasn't a drive sustaining back. He might have 10 yards going into the 3rd quarter and then rip off a 50 yarder. I'd take a consistent 4 yards over that every time.
 

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Not even Cowboys fans will have a consensus on Emmitt's rank on the all time list. If all fans thought exactly alike sports would be boring. Don't worry where other people rank Emmitt all time. You won't change their minds. Do your research and defend your opinions on where they rank. Once you can, then enjoy the debate.
 

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Sanders is like Vick, flashy but not consistant.
 

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I've actually seen a lot of people say that Emmitt wasn't a true top 5 RB or even a top 10 RB. The media usually doesn't write this because they don't want to look completely foolish. But the general thoughts I get from non-Cowboys fan was the "O-Line made Emmitt."

To me, Barry Sanders wasn't in the same galaxy as Emmitt. For all of the talk of Barry having "no talent around him", both Lomas Brown and Kevin Glover were perennial Pro Bowlers along with Herman Moore who caught 333 passes in a 3 year stretch.

Both Glover and Brown were very good O-Linemen from the start whereas Emmitt worked with guys that were nobodies in the league such as Tuinea, Newton, and Gogan who suddenly became great over night.

I think what really hurts Emmitt was the 1995 Super Bowl vs. the Steelers where the O-Line came out and destroyed the vaunted Steelers defense in the first half with Larry Allen bowling over Greg Lloyd. I recall right after that was when everybody thought the Cowboys O-Line was from another planet and Emmitt was just riding its coattails.

Rich............
funny how Dallas couldn't win a game if Emmitt was injured or when he sat out because of a contract dispute.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN said:
Wanna know my top 10 RB's list?

#s 1 throgh 10 = Emmitt

#s 11 through 20 = the next 10 best RB's of all time, and I cna care less in what order I would rank them because none hold a candle to Emmitt.

Period! Next thread...!

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Well I agree Emmitt is in the top 5 for sure, but I have been watching NFL since the 50's and I do think a few back were better, but they just didn't play as long or injuries shortened their time (Sayers comes to mind). Also I can't put Emmitt as better than Jim Brown, but the list is short on who was better. Barry Sanders in my mind was not better, but he was more elusive. Emmitt was really tuff also, but I would give the tuff award to Jim Brown or Earl Campbell. Earl ran so hard it shortened his time in the NFL.

Emmitt was a great back and a joy to watch and it really hard to qualify or list in order who was better than the other. All I can say for sure is Jim Brown is at the top of my list and Emmitt is in the top 5.
 

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Thomas82 said:
.....never/still doesn't get the respect or credit that he deserves for the career he had? I had a discussion with a friend today and we both thought it was sad that a lot of people (media) don't even put Emmitt in their top 5. Some have him in the bottom half of their top 10.

Im a Cowboy fanatic for over 30 years and I think its very debatable that he's top 5 all time. I mean you have to also consider Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson, Earl Campbell, OJ Simpson, Tony Dorsett, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton. It isn't all about the final amount of yards you have its about what your skills and abilities are. Maybe he is top 5 all time, I am just saying there is room for a debate there.
 

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calico said:
I have had countless arguments on other forums with people about this. I found out that most of the people I argued with were 16-18 years old and do not remember Emmitt in his prime.

They remember Barry rushing for 2000 and Emmitt a slow, shell of what he used to be. These are also the same people who think Tags made the NFL better and that today's league is just excellent and not at all watered down (which it is).

They also don't realize that Barry would rush for -4, -3, -7, +50 yards. He was not consistent at all...I still remember Lion fans raving when Barry was injured and they started winning games because the back up always gained yards unlike Barry. As soon as BS came back, they started losing again.

Barry would dance around for a 5 yard loss with a huge hole sitting in front of him. He was electric, but not a "good" back for a winning team. He had no leadership qualities and quit on his team...left them hanging actually.

I still dry heave when I hear a show like Jim Rome and Barry comes on...he gets fellated and egged into saying that he would have the rushing record if he stayed around, but he is a "good" guy because he quit before breaking it...which then leads to Emmitt being a "selfish" and "bad" guy because he stuck around for the record.

The same qualities in Emmitt that wanted the record are also the ones that got him 3 ****ing Super bowl rings. But, instead we hear about how great Barry was while all the horror stories from fans about him standing them up on autograph sessions are swept under the rug.


:signmast: What he said! :hammer:
 

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Emmitt Smith.

All Heart. More than Barry Sanders, Jim Brown. Not sure about Sayers.
Barry was only better at the cutting, change of direction(N-E-W-S). Thats it. Not a complete back by any stretch.

More Heart.
More Yards.
More SB's.

More... More... More...
 
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