How many players based on free agents and draft picks

[rockj7]

Do we need to be right about for this to be a successful off season? My belief is 6-7 players between free agents and draft picks. If we can get good to great production I believe we will be headed in the right direction. Thoughts? Again I believe this is not going to be fixed overnight

 

[unionjack8]

We better pray that our picks in rounds 4-7 become contributors quickly , not disappear into oblivion.

 

[Nightman]

We are putting all of our eggs into the draft. That is a risky proposition, even with 9 picks. We have not been strong in rounds 5-7 but no one is. A team like DAL shouldn't forgo FA completely.

GB does it because they are cheap and they have a patient and captive audience. DAL has neither, we are loyal but there is no reason to be cheap when we generate 600m in revenues.

So far Cedric Thornton looks like a starter that fills a big hole. Re-signing Mo takes the pressure off the secondary and RoMcClain solidifies the LBs.

We still need a SDE, CB/FS, QB2, RB1

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

We better pray that our picks in rounds 4-7 become contributors quickly , not disappear into oblivion.

Agreed, we need a good haul....and that is assuming we hit on 1-3, which is no guarantee. THis team honestly needs a starting caliber DE, FB, S, LB and CB as well as depth at multiple positions. We should be able to get a good quality starting FB in rounds 6-7 that would be an improvement over Klutts. You can normally get a contributing LB in the middle rounds as well. Early rounds seem the best hope for DE and S, as well as CB. We also want depth at QB and RB. So many holes and almost no way to fill them all.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

We are putting all of our eggs into the draft. That is a risky proposition, even with 9 picks. We have not been strong in rounds 5-7 but no one is. A team like DAL shouldn't forgo FA completely.

GB does it because they are cheap and they have a patient and captive audience. DAL has neither, we are loyal but there is no reason to be cheap when we generate 600m in revenues.

So far Cedric Thornton looks like a starter that fills a big hole. Re-signing Mo takes the pressure off the secondary and RoMcClain solidifies the LBs.

We still need a SDE, CB/FS, QB2, RB1

QB2 and RB1 are not absolute musts.....McFadden can carry the load. We will have at least another RB from FA and mid rounds of the draft I would bet in worst case scenario. Is even a top QB going to be a good QB2, better than what Moore can offer at this point? We definitely need some role players and players for the near future. We are going to need a G or T very soon....TE is becoming an issue because WItten is trending down. WR2....has WIlliams done enough to earn a second deal?

 

[Nightman]

QB2 and RB1 are not absolute musts.....McFadden can carry the load. We will have at least another RB from FA and mid rounds of the draft I would bet in worst case scenario. Is even a top QB going to be a good QB2, better than what Moore can offer at this point? We definitely need some role players and players for the near future. We are going to need a G or T very soon....TE is becoming an issue because WItten is trending down. WR2....has WIlliams done enough to earn a second deal?

RB1 is a must. McFadden is like riding the bus to work. It gets you there but your friends laugh at you and you will never get a date.

KMoore is a turnover machine. His body can't cash the checks his mind writes. Small hands, smells like cabbage.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

RB1 is a must. McFadden is like riding the bus to work. It gets you there but your friends laugh at you and you will never get a date.

KMoore is a turnover machine. His body can't cash the checks his mind writes. Small hands, smells like cabbage.

Unless we go first round with QB, the chances of getting a QB that will be better than Moore THIS year are pretty slim. We can get someone with better tools...but he will be in the system for two years and outside of the obvious arm limitations he can be ok for a few games if we needed to go to him. He isn't a long term answer for sure.

I think more of McFadden than you do. When he got the ball as the starter, he was better than average IMO. He could fall off quickly, I get that, and he hasn't been healthy for any significant stretch so I get wanting a number one back but it isn't our most pressing need. I really wish we would have gone with MIller in FA....young, good performer with low mileage.

 

[Verdict]

I think we need for at least 10 of the players drafted, signed from outside our own team or udfas need to make the team this year to be a successful off season. That sounds like a lot but that is 20 percent roster turnover, and that's really about the norm. It should be easier to accomplish this year with all the draft picks we have.

 

[thunderpimp91]

The big number for me is one. Give me one legit DE who can start opposite Lawrence to solidify the Dline. That is what will make me feel a whole lot better about this year. I think we need depth at multiple positions, but DE is my biggest fear right now. I can hope romo stays healthy. I can see us being ok with Mcfadden/Dunbar at RB. I can buy into Terrence Williams improving his game and being a decent #2WR. Hell I even think our DBs could be serviceable. But in a scheme where we play most everything straight up i can't see us being successful with a black hole at DE. Too much of a ripple effect on the rest of the defense.

 

[CCBoy]

The big number for me is one. Give me one legit DE who can start opposite Lawrence to solidify the Dline. That is what will make me feel a whole lot better about this year. I think we need depth at multiple positions, but DE is my biggest fear right now. I can hope romo stays healthy. I can see us being ok with Mcfadden/Dunbar at RB. I can buy into Terrence Williams improving his game and being a decent #2WR. Hell I even think our DBs could be serviceable. But in a scheme where we play most everything straight up i can't see us being successful with a black hole at DE. Too much of a ripple effect on the rest of the defense.

If drafted, at least Bosa will be functional...if not great. That would at least pair with Lawrence and the return of Gregory would enhance the rotational needs as well.

 

[Nightman]

Unless we go first round with QB, the chances of getting a QB that will be better than Moore THIS year are pretty slim. We can get someone with better tools...but he will be in the system for two years and outside of the obvious arm limitations he can be ok for a few games if we needed to go to him. He isn't a long term answer for sure.

I think more of McFadden than you do. When he got the ball as the starter, he was better than average IMO. He could fall off quickly, I get that, and he hasn't been healthy for any significant stretch so I get wanting a number one back but it isn't our most pressing need. I really wish we would have gone with MIller in FA....young, good performer with low mileage.

We'll have to disagree about Moore. We can't win with him and he is easily replaced.

That is why he was our 4th choice last year. Rudy had his 15 minutes.

 

[thunderpimp91]

If drafted, at least Bosa will be functional...if not great. That would at least pair with Lawrence and the return of Gregory would enhance the rotational needs as well.

Agreed. I'm perfectly fine with Bosa as the pick at #4. I like several DEs from this draft, but he is probably the most ready to play week 1.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think we need for at least 10 of the players drafted, signed from outside our own team or udfas need to make the team this year to be a successful off season. That sounds like a lot but that is 20 percent roster turnover, and that's really about the norm. It should be easier to accomplish this year with all the draft picks we have.

According to Parcells 20% would be low. He said on average about 30% or so gets replaced.
Now a very good team, that might be 20%, but for teams looking to improve, it's more like the 30%.
Just going by what he said when he first came here.

I never really looked at the turn over from year to year, and FA changes this number quite a bit. Depending how many a team has.

But I agree that we need a good 10 or so to be be changed out.

 

[CCBoy]

According to Parcells 20% would be low. He said on average about 30% or so gets replaced.
Now a very good team, that might be 20%, but for teams looking to improve, it's more like the 30%.
Just going by what he said when he first came here.

I never really looked at the turn over from year to year, and FA changes this number quite a bit. Depending how many a team has.

But I agree that we need a good 10 or so to be be changed out.

That is proven out by replacement stats by Dallas over the past five seasons...solid ground.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

We'll have to disagree about Moore. We can't win with him and he is easily replaced.

That is why he was our 4th choice last year. Rudy had his 15 minutes.

He was our fourth choice but was just as good if not better than choices 2 or 3. Weeden never gave signs of being able to do the job and there was a reason Cassel was available.

I am all for upgrading the QB2 spot, but at this point...it's not all that likely.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

He was our fourth choice but was just as good if not better than choices 2 or 3. Weeden never gave signs of being able to do the job and there was a reason Cassel was available.

I am all for upgrading the QB2 spot, but at this point...it's not all that likely.

THe one thing if he could be had for a reasonable price is I think Griffin could be a decent backup. Remember the biggest complaint about Romo his first 4-5 years was that he was a gunslinger and didn't necessarily play within the offense. Griffin might very well fit as a backup in that same kind of gunslinger mold. He may not be the best in running our offense as designed but could be effective playing like Romo back in the day.

 

[Nightman]

He was our fourth choice but was just as good if not better than choices 2 or 3. Weeden never gave signs of being able to do the job and there was a reason Cassel was available.

I am all for upgrading the QB2 spot, but at this point...it's not all that likely.

Goff or Wentz provides an immediate upgrade to back-up while they learn.

I would still sign RGIII or Foles or Flynn for one year to let Goff/Wentz concentrate on learning.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Goff or Wentz provides an immediate upgrade to back-up while they learn.

I would still sign RGIII or Foles or Flynn for one year to let Goff/Wentz concentrate on learning.

Isn't Foles still under contract? Flynn would be better than Moore. Griffin likely to be more expensive than we wanna pay.

 

[rockj7]

We'll have to disagree about Moore. We can't win with him and he is easily replaced.

That is why he was our 4th choice last year. Rudy had his 15 minutes.

My favorite part your 5 foot nothin 100 and nothing with hardly a spec of athletic ability

 

[Nightman]

Isn't Foles still under contract? Flynn would be better than Moore. Griffin likely to be more expensive than we wanna pay.

Foles is still a Ram, but they have talked about cutting him and moving on. His salary would be too high for a backup.