How many safeties do we need?

[juck]

So many on this board want to draft another safety.Does anyone realize that we had no pressure last year at all even with Ellis?We got Hamlin,Pat watkins who the best safety ever says is good just to give him time.We have a great defensive minded coach now too.We need to replace Ellis,we need a cb and most important a WR/kick returner with some playmaking ability.A person that opponents kick away from and double cause of speed.maybe Ginn?Someone to electrify this team a bit like deion did.

 

[Future]

So many on this board want to draft another safety.Does anyone realize that we had no pressure last year at all even with Ellis?We got Hamlin,Pat watkins who the best safety ever says is good just to give him time..

Are you talking about Woodson? Because that would be nothing different than many people said here haha

 

[conner01]

i would'nt touch a safety in this draft unless someone special fell into the later rounds. i think we need to go wr,cb, or ot early. i think we need a lb or two, and maybe a guard if we can't find a ot so we can slide davis outside next year.we won't likely get quality players at all those positions but if we could get a nice young wr and cb i would be a happy camper
i think we drafted ellis's replacement in the 1st rnd last year so a olb later would be ok but i would'nt take one early. the top two picks need to fix two of out 3 biggest needs and thats wr,cb, and ot

 

[superpunk]

I was about to ask Minnesota the same thing.

We coulda had Dwight Smith.

It's one of our weakest positions - even with Hamlin, if we assume Hamlin isn't going to be much better than last year.

I think that's why people still think maybe we should look at it.

 

[juck]

Are you talking about Woodson? Because that would be nothing different than many people said here haha

yes,woodson.

 

[juck]

I think Ellis is done and wasnt that great before the injury anyway.horrid in coverage too.

 

[smarta5150]

Because most posters think that every player we get should be a starter from week 1 and be a HoFerby the end of his career.

That and also they dont know what the word "develope" means.

 

[theogt]

I was about to ask Minnesota the same thing.

We coulda had Dwight Smith.

It's one of our weakest positions - even with Hamlin, if we assume Hamlin isn't going to be much better than last year.

I think that's why people still think maybe we should look at it.

That still hurts.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

Agreed. I kinda hope we go CB or OLB Spencer in Rd 1, moving Carp inside. Rd 2, get a WR or whichever position we don't fill in Rd 1.

 

[superpunk]

Because most posters think that every player we get should be a starter from week 1 and be a HoFerby the end of his career.

That and also they dont know what the word "develope" means.

That's a little bit of an oversimplification, I think.

If you can get better at a position, and that's going to make a difference on your team, you do it. As it was, having a free safety that could locate the ball in the air could have put us at 11-5 last year, and in a completely different playoff scenario - and our defense subsequently played well in the playoffs.

Just something to ponder.

 

[smarta5150]

That's a little bit of an oversimplification, I think.

If you can get better at a position, and that's going to make a difference on your team, you do it. As it was, having a free safety that could locate the ball in the air could have put us at 11-5 last year, and in a completely different playoff scenario - and our defense subsequently played well in the playoffs.

Just something to ponder.

11-5 with a better FS?

:laugh2:

My man, we would have went AT LEAST 11-5 with a HALF way decent pass rush.

 

[superpunk]

11-5 with a better FS?

:laugh2:

My man, we would have went AT LEAST 11-5 with a HALF way decent pass rush.

OK, but that's an entire philosophy thing. I'm talking two games where Pat Watkins' ineptitude cost us about 35 points. Maybe 12-4 if you count Keith Davis' thumbinbutt performance against Washington.

That's 3 games from one position.

Clearly there are other reasons, but that one was GLARING.

 

[smarta5150]

OK, but that's an entire philosophy thing. I'm talking two games where Pat Watkins' ineptitude cost us about 35 points. Maybe 12-4 if you count Keith Davis' thumbinbutt performance against Washington.

That's 3 games from one position.

Clearly there are other reasons, but that one was GLARING.

I must need to re-watch the Philly game, assuming thats what you are talking about.

Like I have said a million times over thought, if Ellis doesn't wiff McNabb going unblocked on the Henry blitz that 70 yard TD would have never happened and no one would have noticed Watkins getting toasted.

 

[superpunk]

I must need to re-watch the Philly game, assuming thats what you are talking about.

Like I have said a million times over thought, if Ellis doesn't wiff McNabb going unblocked on the Henry blitz that 70 yard TD would have never happened and no one would have noticed Watkins getting toasted.

You don't think they would have noticed him getting fooled on a flea-flicker or allowing a huge reception to LJ Smith out of halftime?

Cuz I know I noticed it.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm for adding difference makers and exceptional talents, regardless of position.

I'm all for drafting a pass rusher if there's one that's good value at #22. It just so happens that this draft is almost completely void of quality outside pass rushers. There are only 3-4 that even carry a 1st day grade in my mind, and one of them will be gone by the 6th pick of the draft.

It just so happens that this is the best FS crop to come along in recent memory, and its a position that right now is completely up for grabs and with not much resources currently locked into it.


I could ask a question about exactly how many WR's we need. If we draft a WR in the first round and pay him the accompanied salary that goes along with it, we'll have an absolutely incredible amount of money and resources invested in the WR position between Owens, Glenn, Crayton's 1.3 first round tender and a first round draft pick.

 

[smarta5150]

You don't think they would have noticed him getting fooled on a flea-flicker or allowing a huge reception to LJ Smith out of halftime?

Cuz I know I noticed it.

He was a rookie FS.

All teams pick on rookies no matter their position.

So I think they would throw at him regardless of him being beat for a 70 yard TD pass or not.


My beef with that game, specifically the one play is all the blame Watkins gets and the zero mentions of Ellis blowing his assignment.

I don't believe Watkins should be left off the hook, but at the same time Ellis should take as much blame as Watkins.

Ellis was put in a perfect situation to make the play and blew it.


Oh well though, its a learning experience and some growing pains. It happens.

We signed Hamlin and that SHOULD satisfy everyone who wanted Watkins to be pushed with some competition.

My 1st post was for those who still want a FS, simple or not, I think it really is the case, how else can you explain why people still want to draft a FS in round 1.

 

[smarta5150]

I'm for adding difference makers and exceptional talents, regardless of position.

I'm all for drafting a pass rusher if there's one that's good value at #22. It just so happens that this draft is almost completely void of quality outside pass rushers. There are only 3-4 that even carry a 1st day grade in my mind, and one of them will be gone by the 6th pick of the draft.

It just so happens that this is the best FS crop to come along in recent memory, and its a position that right now is completely up for grabs and with not much resources currently locked into it.


I could ask a question about exactly how many WR's we need. If we draft a WR in the first round and pay him the accompanied salary that goes along with it, we'll have an absolutely incredible amount of money and resources invested in the WR position between Owens, Glenn, Crayton's 1.3 first round tender and a first round draft pick.

I would have to disagree with this.

There are a ton of quality pass rushers in this draft.

I really don't care though since I believe our pass rush was fixed once we hired Wade Phillips.

 

[superpunk]

He was a rookie FS.

This is reasonable. I had a fit when Dwight Smith became available last summer and we did nothing. No way we should have been going into the season relying on Bullet-hole, Too-tall and the Drunk. Big mistake by the front office.

But that excuse ends on the field, IMO. Yeah, he's a rookie -but he performed terribly, even for a rookie. He wasn't the only rookie safety in the NFL last year, but he was the worst safety in some statistical measurements.

We signed Hamlin and that SHOULD satisfy everyone who wanted Watkins to be pushed with some competition.

Should.

But if the opportunity arises to get a special player, someone that should be better than both of them - considering our relative lack of strong needs, I don't think we should pass on FS just cuz we hope Watkins gets it and we hope Hamlin gets back to being 2005 Hamlin.

I'd prefer a litany of other positions, starting with RB, WR, CB - but if by chance a GREAT FS drops and those other positions are looking weak, I don't see the negative. Fixing the pass rush would probably do much more, but there's no getting around the fact that FS might be our weakest position.

 

[smarta5150]

Who is this GREAT FS you speak of though?

Maybe Landry, but then again, its all up in the air.

 

[superpunk]

Who is this GREAT FS you speak of though?

Maybe Landry, but then again, its all up in the air.

I honestly don't know.

I don't want a FS in the first. :