How many WRs in this league are you taking over Ceedee?

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So you just ignored the second part of my post?

In games Jefferson has started and finished this season, he is averaging 11 targets per game
No.....I just said CeeDee has a high target rate....so now let's slant the argument. And while the discussion was who's a better WR this year......to slant it another way....Jefferson & Chase have been injured just like their starting QBs. No one is questioning CeeDee's play. But to annoint him, the other two have encountered setbacks to reduce their play. Now what?
 

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Only Hill. That guy can catch everything, and we’ve never had anyone that fast on our team. He’s faster than Turpin.
 

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A bit of a gripe I have is the insinuation that Tyreek isn't a complete receiver.

Just because he has ungodly speed, does not mean he's deficient in other areas.
 

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No.....I just said CeeDee has a high target rate....so now let's slant the argument. And while the discussion was who's a better WR this year......to slant it another way....Jefferson & Chase have been injured just like their starting QBs. No one is questioning CeeDee's play. But to annoint him, the other two have encountered setbacks to reduce their play. Now what?
Ceedee doesnt have a higher target rate than Jefferson. What are you talking about?

Either way, I STILL said im taking Jefferson over him so what are we arguing about?
 

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Jefferson, Chase, Deebo, Tyreek, AJ Brown. Kupp too if he was healthy.

Lamb has turned into a really really good player but the league is loaded with good WR's and I have him in the group behind the guys listed above. Lamb gets the benefit of a lot of targets as well (#1 in the league).
I'd say Chase, Tyreek, AJ, and Kupp are all in the same heap as Lamb. They all are really good with somewhat different strengths.

I don't agree with Deebo, but that's probably just a personal gripe.

Unreal athleticism and play making ability, but not a guy that goes out and beats coverage in the mold of a true WR1 like the other guys you named.

Again, just my personal gripe with his game.
 

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Ceedee doesnt have a higher target rate than Jefferson. What are you talking about?

Either way, I STILL said im taking Jefferson over him so what are we arguing about?
Ok....no argument. Just discussion.....right? To help.....they're all good.
 

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No you didnt, no need to lie
this is what happens when you’re only there to argue with people and not actually converse about football. You could have already predicted my answer in this thread based on that one. He is a #1 as I had explained untold times
 

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Now? None. Hill is a great player but he has more miles on the tires.

What I love most about Lamb is his toughness. He always plays and after the catch he is tough to tackle.
 

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I’d take Chase over Ceedee. He does pretty much everything better than Ceedee besides run the ball.


Ceedee doesn’t play through physicality like Jefdrsonannd Chase. Plenty of time I’m cussing at my tv because Ceedee prematurely gives up on a play looking at the ref before the whsitle is even blow Instead of playing through it.

And where is this jump 50/50 talk coming from.
 

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this is what happens when you’re only there to argue with people and not actually converse about football. You could have already predicted my answer in this thread based on that one. He is a #1 as I had explained untold times
Who are you fooling?

You arent fooling me w your nonsense. Just last year, you were comparing him to Gallup.

That goes back to my previous question: how do you define a #1 WR. In my opinion, any guy who ends up crossing a certain yard mark isn’t automatically a #1. A #1 goes beyond just getting some stats because his QB throws a lot or the defense doesn’t stress guarding him.

Kenny Golladay, Adam Thielen, Davante Parker, Robert Woods, Torrey Smith, Juju Smith Schuster… all these guys have had those types of seasons. Are they all now locked in as number 1’s solely because of a stat line, or were there outlying circumstances they benefited from to achieve this?

To me, a #1 isn’t just how he produces, it’s the where’s and the why’s. DK Metcalf is a perfect example of this. Last year Russell Wilson went down with injury and it affected DK’s statline. He only ended up with something like 900 yards and 12 TDs. But every game people play the Seahawks, they say, “We need to keep DK double covered every single snap, if we let up even once we’re in trouble. Let up a couple times and he can single handedly run away with the game.” A number 1 commands respect. Not saying he’s elite, or all-pro caliber or even a top 10 WR.

How many teams think this about CeeDee? That he’s going to destroy you if you don’t give him #1 respect all game? CeeDee hasn’t had 100 yards receiving in 14 consecutive games. These 2 TDs he’s had have been the first two TDs he’s had in 12 games. He doesn’t dominate, even sporadically. He’s a nice, consistent 60ish yards who’ll get you a TD every 3rd game or so. While the finish line is a pretty 1100, that isn’t IMO a true #1.

Michael Gallup and CeeDee Lamb are different styles of WR, but they’re approximately the same caliber. And that doesn’t have to be a bad thing

If any of my fellow Cowboy fans need even more of a reason to ignore this guy, let this be that reason…
 

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Who are you fooling?

You arent fooling me w your nonsense. Just last year, you were comparing him to Gallup.



If any of my fellow Cowboy fans need even more of a reason to ignore this guy, let this be that reason…
This is called “Strawmanning”. You do not want to argue the full point, because you know you are not right. Instead, you want to shift context to make up a new argument that better fits your narrative.
 

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Only Hill at this time.

Chase and Jjettas are nice, but they’re not leagues better than Lamb.
Same here.....only Hill. He's playing on a Randy Moss level. Ceedee is playing all three WR positions at a high level.....what other WR can we say that about
 

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Same here.....only Hill. He's playing on a Randy Moss level. Ceedee is playing all three WR positions at a high level.....what other WR can we say that about
JJ? He’s a phenomenal slot guy as well as outside.

I think with the injury people are forgetting who he is. Tyreek is having an MVP season and still may not end up with the stats JJ set last year. In Minnesota’s offense. With Kirk Cousins.

He has over 800 yards in only 7 games this year. Average that out and each season gets even more historic than the last. Hill has alltime speed that defenses can’t account for. Jefferson has nothing like that and is matching him blow-for-blow anyway. That’s remarkable
 

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Random, but I remember watching half of OU's games in 2018 and there being a ton of hype around Marquis "Hollywood" Brown who had a really great season.

But it was clear to me Lamb was the better receiver almost immediately.

All that said, I thought Lamb's game wouldn't translate well to the NFL because he seemed like a space player. Boy was I wrong.
 

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I think thats right. Lamb has become a superstar. Hill is a once in a generation player. Maybe once in a lifetime.
It still baffles me why Quinn treated him like a top 10/15 WR. If I'm playing the Dolphins, Hill gets double-teamed. maybe triple the entire game.
 

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From “hes not a #1!” To setting the franchise season records in catches and yards with no run game or other receivers to take attention away.

Where do you rank him amongst the other elites?

Only receivers im taking over him for sure are Tyreek and Jefferson
Hill is the best but he's close to 30...so i'm not taking anyone over Lamb right now. He's right there with Jefferson & Chase.
 
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