How much rope would an actual GM get?

[Vanilla2]

Would an actual gm get from you all?

If Jerry went out and hired the up and coming gm football type guy

How much time would he get before the pitchforks are pulled out?

I'm betting on 2-3 years.

IMO the issue with Jerry at gm is that he's only as good as the coach that helping him with player evaluation/selection.

I've come to the realization that this team will not win if Garrett is fired and the roster isn't cleared out.

These players know they can perform to the level the feel acceptable and the coach will be run out of town by the angry masses.

And the same will happen with the next guy.

I'm not saying that as Garrett's number one fan, but I will lose hope if the continuity Jerry spoke of at Garrett's hiring isn't followed through on. Unless the roster is blown up and the team starts at square one with a new coach.

 

[TheCount]

He's not going anywhere until he wants to. It's his money so quit worrying about something that won't change.

 

[cowboyeric8]

The same people who scream for a GM would complain that Jerry is muddling and undermining the new GM if he were to hire one. People complain to complain especially people here. As soon as Jerry dies they will complain about Stephen. It's a never ending process. Besides the Cowboys have a GM on staff and it isn't the person/people who has/have the title. Jerry doesn't just look to himself for advice, anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

But whatever keep on *****ing if it somehow makes you fell better. As for me I will keep cheering on my Cowboys win or lose and wait for them to rise again, which I believe is sooner rather than later.

Hate on.

 

[Numbers921]

The same people who scream for a GM would complain that Jerry is muddling and undermining the new GM if he were to hire one. People complain to complain especially people here. As soon as Jerry dies they will complain about Stephen. It's a never ending process. Besides the Cowboys have a GM on staff and it isn't the person/people who has/have the title. Jerry doesn't just look to himself for advice, anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

But whatever keep on *****ing if it somehow makes you fell better. As for me I will keep cheering on my Cowboys win or lose and wait for them to rise again, which I believe is sooner rather than later.

Hate on.

Winning is the cure all. I assure you know nobody would be complaining about even Jerry, if the team was winning. Unfortunately, the Cowboys aren't going to win anytime soon at this rate.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

If 20% less are watching locally then 20% is the business loss. Put those numbers together it adds up quickly and stacks up high.

Jerruhhs gonna freakout and fire himself for 20% and Garrett or ObinRyan or who ever.

This aggression will not stand. The numbers are blowing this thing out of the water and have got to be killing him.


Oh ... we'd give a new GM about 2-5 years but a lot less if he costs revenue.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Would an actual gm get from you all?

If Jerry went out and hired the up and coming gm football type guy

How much time would he get before the pitchforks are pulled out?

I'm betting on 2-3 years.

IMO the issue with Jerry at gm is that he's only as good as the coach that helping him with player evaluation/selection.

I've come to the realization that this team will not win if Garrett is fired and the roster isn't cleared out.

These players know they can perform to the level the feel acceptable and the coach will be run out of town by the angry masses.

And the same will happen with the next guy.

I'm not saying that as Garrett's number one fan, but I will lose hope if the continuity Jerry spoke of at Garrett's hiring isn't followed through on. Unless the roster is blown up and the team starts at square one with a new coach.

Honestly, I'd give the GM 4 years.

And you're forgetting a couple of the benefits with bringing in a real football GM to construct the roster.

Obviously a GM would have more knowledge in his pinky than Jerry and Stephen combined.

But the other two areas where we'd really benefit from a GM are dedication to the craft and fear of failure.

As we all know, Jerry has his hands into everything. He's doing commercials, radio shows, TV shows, promoting his product, lining up fights and college football games for Cowboys Stadium, etc.

There's no way in hell he's concentrating on his GM duties when he has all those other projects on his table. While typical NFL GMs probably dedicate 13 hours a day to their craft, Jerry's probably spending a quarter of that time doing actual GM work.

Brining in a GM would help close the gap and put us on an equal playing field in that regard.

Lastly, I mentioned fear of failure. Once you get above the head coach in the chain of command there's no fear of failure in Dallas. Whether they go 14-2 or 2-14, everyone's job is secure. So where's the incentive to try harder and get better?

Whereas a GM who is not part of the Jones' crew would have to prove himself and understands that his job is on the line if he doesn't provide results.

Fear is a hell of a motivator. Unfortunately there's no fear of failure in Dallas. No matter how often they lose no one gets fired and the fans keep showing up at the gate in droves. It's a win-win for Jerry.

 

[birdwells1]

Honestly, I'd give the GM 4 years.

And you're forgetting a couple of the benefits with bringing in a real football GM to construct the roster.

Obviously a GM would have more knowledge in his pinky than Jerry and Stephen combined.

But the other two areas where we'd really benefit from a GM are dedication to the craft and fear of failure.

As we all know, Jerry has his hands into everything. He's doing commercials, radio shows, TV shows, promoting his product, lining up fights and college football games for Cowboys Stadium, etc.

There's no way in hell he's concentrating on his GM duties when he has all those other projects on his table. While typical NFL GMs probably dedicate 13 hours a day to their craft, Jerry's probably spending a quarter of that time doing actual GM work.

Brining in a GM would help close the gap and put us on an equal playing field in that regard.

Lastly, I mentioned fear of failure. Once you get above the head coach in the chain of command there's no fear of failure in Dallas. Whether they go 14-2 or 2-14, everyone's job is secure. So where's the incentive to try harder and get better?

Whereas a GM who is not part of the Jones' crew would have to prove himself and understands that his job is on the line if he doesn't provide results.

Fear is a hell of a motivator. Unfortunately there's no fear of failure in Dallas. No matter how often they lose no one gets fired and the fans keep showing up at the gate in droves. It's a win-win for Jerry.

You probably won't get too many responses to this post because it's spot on, good job.

 

[Bullflop]

H-m-m, I honestly don't know how long it would take for folks to turn sour on another GM if that were to come about but I'd sure like to find out.

 

[Dodger12]

I'm sure you and Hostile have made this statement several times over the past decade yet we're all still waiting for results.

Right.....and this one too (in bold below). That's got to be one of the dumbest positions I've ever heard.

The same people who scream for a GM would complain that Jerry is muddling and undermining the new GM if he were to hire one. People complain to complain especially people here. As soon as Jerry dies they will complain about Stephen. It's a never ending process. Besides the Cowboys have a GM on staff and it isn't the person/people who has/have the title. Jerry doesn't just look to himself for advice, anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

But whatever keep on *****ing if it somehow makes you fell better. As for me I will keep cheering on my Cowboys win or lose and wait for them to rise again, which I believe is sooner rather than later.

Hate on.

 

[FracturedStrat]

Winning is the cure all. I assure you know nobody would be complaining about even Jerry, if the team was winning. Unfortunately, the Cowboys aren't going to win anytime soon at this rate.

This is true when he fired Landry he wasn't too popular. When the team started it's winning in the early 90's no one complained. Then after Jimmy Johnson left and the team fell into mediocrity the complaining rose exponentially to the losses.

 

[Proximo]

If 20% less are watching locally then 20% is the business loss. Put those numbers together it adds up quickly and stacks up high.

Jerruhhs gonna freakout and fire himself for 20% and Garrett or ObinRyan or who ever.

This aggression will not stand. The numbers are blowing this thing out of the water and have got to be killing him.


Oh ... we'd give a new GM about 2-5 years but a lot less if he costs revenue.

The NFL shares it's revenue amongst the 32 teams. The Cowboys are not losing money despite what you want to believe.

 

[burmafrd]

to me a GM's length of tenure would more likely be based on the condition of the team when he took over.

A team that was terrible- you have to give him more time then if he were to come on board a team that was either in the playoffs the previous year or close to it.

Now if a GM were to be hired after this season HERE he should get about 2-3 years to get us over the hump. AT MOST.

Frankly I would expect serious improvements in two years.

Now a team like say the Browns I would have to go with 4 years to see a team that has a winning season, is contending at least for the playoffs (depending on how tough its division is) and shows steady improvement with all major parts in place or near to it

 

[Proximo]

The same people who scream for a GM would complain that Jerry is muddling and undermining the new GM if he were to hire one. People complain to complain especially people here. As soon as Jerry dies they will complain about Stephen. It's a never ending process. Besides the Cowboys have a GM on staff and it isn't the person/people who has/have the title. Jerry doesn't just look to himself for advice, anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

But whatever keep on *****ing if it somehow makes you fell better. As for me I will keep cheering on my Cowboys win or lose and wait for them to rise again, which I believe is sooner rather than later.

Hate on.

Indeed. People like to be happily unhappy. These are the same people that I'm sure find things to complain about in all aspects of life even when they should be sitting back and enjoying themselves.

 

[burmafrd]

The same people who scream for a GM would complain that Jerry is muddling and undermining the new GM if he were to hire one. People complain to complain especially people here. As soon as Jerry dies they will complain about Stephen. It's a never ending process. Besides the Cowboys have a GM on staff and it isn't the person/people who has/have the title. Jerry doesn't just look to himself for advice, anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

But whatever keep on *****ing if it somehow makes you fell better. As for me I will keep cheering on my Cowboys win or lose and wait for them to rise again, which I believe is sooner rather than later.

Hate on.

clearly some of us have standards and some do not

I once was dumb enough to be a Cubs fan. Was one for almost 20 years when I was younger. There reaches a certain point when masochism takes over.

The boys are not that bad YET. But I see little sign anything is changing.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The NFL shares it's revenue amongst the 32 teams. The Cowboys are not losing money despite what you want to believe.

For one thing if 160 thousand of local DFW fans or 20% or 1/5 aren't watching the game that means that same amount probably won't purchase Cowboys merch.

 

[dragon_mikal]

The same people who scream for a GM would complain that Jerry is muddling and undermining the new GM if he were to hire one. People complain to complain especially people here. As soon as Jerry dies they will complain about Stephen. It's a never ending process. Besides the Cowboys have a GM on staff and it isn't the person/people who has/have the title. Jerry doesn't just look to himself for advice, anyone who thinks so is an idiot.

But whatever keep on *****ing if it somehow makes you fell better. As for me I will keep cheering on my Cowboys win or lose and wait for them to rise again, which I believe is sooner rather than later.

Hate on.

Later has already come and gone. It is not complaining to complain or idiotic at all to state the facts and express justifiable frustration.

 

[Proximo]

For one thing if 160 thousand of local DFW fans or 20% or 1/5 aren't watching the game that means that same amount probably won't purchase Cowboys merch.

As much as you want to believe that the Cowboys are all of the sudden losing a significant amount of money it's simply not true. The link below helps explain the NFL's revenue sharing. Notable quote - "The bulk of the league's revenue - approximately $4 billion in 2011 - comes from broadcast deals with NBC, CBS, Fox, ESPN and DirecTV. That income is shared equally among all teams. Income from licensing deals - everything from jerseys to posters to team-logo beer coolers - is also shared evenly."


http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-...North-Americas-Major-Pro-Sports-Leagues_2.htm

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

As much as you want to believe that the Cowboys are all of the sudden losing a significant amount of money it's simply not true. The link below helps explain the NFL's revenue sharing. Notable quote - "The bulk of the league's revenue - approximately $4 billion in 2011 - comes from broadcast deals with NBC, CBS, Fox, ESPN and DirecTV. That income is shared equally among all teams. Income from licensing deals - everything from jerseys to posters to team-logo beer coolers - is also shared evenly."


http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-...North-Americas-Major-Pro-Sports-Leagues_2.htm

No matter how much you want to discount 160,000 people not watching Dallas Cowboys Football locally, it certainly has a moral impact on the Cowboys, as well as a fanancial one. May be a small amount it the big picture of TV revenue but 160 thousand fans is is still significant in every way.

Stop trying to discount the 160,000 local residents of the DFW area that are currently refusing to watch Jerrahs Kids losing football.

 

[VACowboy]

To me, the much more interesting question is, who would you hire? We know all the head coaches, position coaches and coordinators, so talking new coaches is pretty easy. Speaking for myself, talking new GM is a lot tougher. If I had to pick one right now off the top of my head, I have no idea who I'd choose.

 

[xwalker]

I've come to the realization that this team will not win if Garrett is fired and the roster isn't cleared out.

These players know they can perform to the level the feel acceptable and the coach will be run out of town by the angry masses.

And the same will happen with the next guy.

I'm not saying that as Garrett's number one fan, but I will lose hope if the continuity Jerry spoke of at Garrett's hiring isn't followed through on. Unless the roster is blown up and the team starts at square one with a new coach.

I'm curious which players you think are underachievers.

I think Garrett got rid of almost all of the underachievers.

Dez seems like one, but the stats indicate otherwise.