How Parcells drafts at the top

[Trip]

I'm a little bored tonight, so I thought I'd look at the drafts of all the teams for which Parcells has been the head coach. I decided to do this because I wanted to see how many WR's Parcells has drafted. I thought Terry Glenn was the only high choice he's used on a WR but I was wrong. Glenn's the only good one he's picked (Ingram was okay), but not the only one he selected.

Anyway, here's the breakdown by position of the top 3 rounds.

DB- 14 (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Mark Collins, Terry Kinard, Terence Newman)

OL -14 (John Elliott, Dave Wohlbaugh...)

DL- 12 (Willie McGinest, Leonard Marshall, Marcus Spears)

LB - 7 (Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Carl Banks, Pepper Johnson, Demarcus Ware, James Farrior, Kanavis McGee.... Gary Reasons, Bradie James later rounds)

WR- 7 (Stacy Robinson, Mark Ingram, Stephen Baker, Vincent Brisby, Kevin Lee, Terry Glenn, Dedric Ward... Ugh)

RB - 4 (Julius Jones, Curtis Martin, Rodney Hampton, George Adams.... Meggett and Barber III in the later rounds)

QB - 2 (Hostetler, Bledsoe)

TE - 2 (Jamie Williams, Witten.... Bavaro in later rounds)

Not a lot of succes on the WR's but the LB's are tremendous. I consider 6 of the 7 he's drafted solid, which puts Ware in good company.

RB's are solid, too. Four taken and three hits, assuming JJ pans out.

Comments on Parcells drafting, and do you still think he takes WR in the top three rounds in the upcoming draft? I think he goes heavy on the OL with at least 2 of the top 3 picks. We have the need and he has the history of doing it.

 

[yesfan]

Parcells will go big,not pretty.He puts together the
proto-typical team, team after team,and that formula
is always where he gets his success.Like the man or not,
and it will get very frustrating,but his style will always prevail.
Chalk up one good decision for Jerry.

 

[EndGame]

I think you'd really have to dig deeper with this analysis. For instance, Parcells didn't WANT Terry Glenn. Parcells didn't have the final say in that draft. It led to his famous, "If I'm going to cook, let me pick out the groceries" remark, and was a factor in his departure from New England.

 

[Eskimo]

The major thing it proves is that Parcells knows RBs and LBs but this is something that is abundantly clear even during his short stay here in Dallas.

What is interesting is that he drafts so many DBs high - he has only picked TNew during his stay here.

The one thing I've been most disappointed in has been his picks on the OL - he brought in Young and Rivera as FAs and both have left a lot to be desired. He has drafted Johnson, Rogers and Peterman with first day picks and none are above average starters (only Johnson starts and half the board wants to run him out of town). I don't know if the main issue is talent evaluation or poor coaching but we have not had a good OL here in many, many years - everything went downhill when Shiver entered the lineup and we have never recovered.

 

[Silverstar]

Top 3 rounds?


What about Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers Stephen Peterman, and Kevin Burnett in the 2nd round?



Were you mentally blocking out those three on purpose?


I can't blame you so far...

 

[Eskimo]

Top 3 rounds?


What about Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers Stephen Peterman, and Kevin Burnett in the 2nd round?



Were you mentally blocking out those three on purpose?


I can't blame you so far...

Peterman was drafted in the 3rd round but still counts under his criteria.

 

[zagnut]

I'm a little bored tonight, so I thought I'd look at the drafts of all the teams for which Parcells has been the head coach. I decided to do this because I wanted to see how many WR's Parcells has drafted. I thought Terry Glenn was the only high choice he's used on a WR but I was wrong. Glenn's the only good one he's picked (Ingram was okay), but not the only one he selected.

Anyway, here's the breakdown by position of the top 3 rounds.

DB- 14 (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Mark Collins, Terry Kinard, Terence Newman)

OL -14 (John Elliott, Dave Wohlbaugh...)

DL- 12 (Willie McGinest, Leonard Marshall, Marcus Spears)

LB - 7 (Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Carl Banks, Pepper Johnson, Demarcus Ware, James Farrior, Kanavis McGee.... Gary Reasons, Bradie James later rounds)

WR- 7 (Stacy Robinson, Mark Ingram, Stephen Baker, Vincent Brisby, Kevin Lee, Terry Glenn, Dedric Ward... Ugh)

RB - 4 (Julius Jones, Curtis Martin, Rodney Hampton, George Adams.... Meggett and Barber III in the later rounds)

QB - 2 (Hostetler, Bledsoe)

TE - 2 (Jamie Williams, Witten.... Bavaro in later rounds)

Not a lot of succes on the WR's but the LB's are tremendous. I consider 6 of the 7 he's drafted solid, which puts Ware in good company.

RB's are solid, too. Four taken and three hits, assuming JJ pans out.

Comments on Parcells drafting, and do you still think he takes WR in the top three rounds in the upcoming draft? I think he goes heavy on the OL with at least 2 of the top 3 picks. We have the need and he has the history of doing it.

I've tried doing this prior to the last draft, but...

George Young was the General Manager with the Giants. Parcells was a young, inexperienced coach with very little influence on who was picked until later in his career with the Giants. They may have been on the same page, but that was because Young picked the coach he wanted.

Parcells certainly deserves credit for developing the players or using them in a way that made them successful, but I'm not sure there's much to be gained from looking at "his" Giants' drafts.

Also, Parcells' dissatisfaction with his lessened role in the New England 1996 draft has been pretty well documented. He ultimately left New England directly due to this. While history would like to assign that draft to his legacy, it's not so clear whether Glenn, Milloy, or Bruschi should be considered his guys either.

All said, I agree he is probably going to add at least 1 OL on the first day, but mainly because of his affinity for running the ball, for controling the clock, for fixing a continued weakness on the team, and because it's the overwhelming strength in this draft.

 

[Trip]

Top 3 rounds?


What about Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers Stephen Peterman, and Kevin Burnett in the 2nd round?



Were you mentally blocking out those three on purpose?


I can't blame you so far...

No I forgot Burnett, don't know how?????

As for the O-lineman, I just didn't put them in. There are plenty of other O-lineman besides those 3 that Parcells has drafted that didn't do much.

 

[Trip]

I've tried doing this prior to the last draft, but...

George Young was the General Manager with the Giants. Parcells was a young, inexperienced coach with very little influence on who was picked until later in his career with the Giants. They may have been on the same page, but that was because Young picked the coach he wanted.

Parcells certainly deserves credit for developing the players or using them in a way that made them successful, but I'm not sure there's much to be gained from looking at "his" Giants' drafts.

Also, Parcells' dissatisfaction with his lessened role in the New England 1996 draft has been pretty well documented. He ultimately left New England directly due to this. While history would like to assign that draft to his legacy, it's not so clear whether Glenn, Milloy, or Bruschi should be considered his guys either.

All said, I agree he is probably going to add at least 1 OL on the first day, but mainly because of his affinity for running the ball, for controling the clock, for fixing a continued weakness on the team, and because it's the overwhelming strength in this draft.

I agree with all of that.

But it looks like in his brief time with the Cowboys, he's been good at drafting the same positions he had success with other teams (LB, DB, RB) and he's not had any success at OL, which is basically the same at the top of his drafts with other teams.

Interesting similarities that's all. Like I said, I was bored.

 

[Rockytop6]

Get bored more often. Good job.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Get bored more often. Good job.

I agree. Well done, Trip.

Would it take too much to list the guys he drafted just with the Jets, when he was undoubtedly the one making the decisions?

 

[Cbz40]

Here are Parcells Drafts:

2000 As Jets GM
1 Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee
2 John Abraham LB South Carolina
3 Chad Pennington QB Marshall
4 Anthony Becht TE West Virginia
5 Laveranues Coles WR Florida State
6 Windrell Hayes WR USC
7 Tony Scott DB North Carolina State
8 Richard Seals DT Utah

1999
1 Randy Thomas G Mississippi State
2 David Loverne G San Jose State
3 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska
4 Jermaine Jones DB NW Louisiana
5 Marc Megna LB Richmond
6 J.P. Machado G Illinois
7 Ryan Young T Kansas State
8 Syvrud DE Jamestown

1998
1 Dorian Boose DT Washington State
2 Scott Frost DB Nebraska
3 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State
4 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati
5 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern
6 Doug Karczewski T Virginia
7 Blake Spence TE Oregon
8 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young
9 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland
10 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State
11 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young
12 Lawrence Hart TE Southern

1997
1 James Farrior LB Virginia
2 Rick Terry DT North Carolina
3 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa
4 Terry Day DE Mississippi State
5 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina
6 Lamont Burns G East Carolina
7 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee
8 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern
9 Chuck Clements QB Houston
10 Steve Rosga DB Colorado
11 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia

1996 (Who was running this draft?)
1 Terry (She) Glenn WR Ohio State
2 Lawyer Milloy DB Washington
3 Tedy Bruschi LB Arizona
4 Heath Irwin G Colorado
5 Chris Sullivan DT Boston College
6 Kantroy Barber RB West Virginia
7 John Elmore G Texas
8 Christian Peter DT Nebraska
9 Chris Griffin TE New Mexico
10 Marrio Grier RB Tennessee-Chattanooga
11 Devin Wyman DE Kentucky State
12 Lovett Purnell TE West Virginia
13 J.R. Conrad T Oklahoma

1995
1 Ty Law DB Michigan
2 Ted Johnson LB Colorado
3 Curtis Martin RB Pittsburgh
4 Jimmy Hitchcock DB North Carolina
5 Dave Wohlabaugh C Syracuse
6 Dino Philyaw RB Oregon
7 Carlos Yancy DB Georgia

1994
1 Willie McGinest DE USC
2 Kevin Lee WR Alabama
3 Ervin Collier DT Florida A&M
4 Joe Burch C Texas Southern
5 John Burke TE Virginia Tech
6 Patt O'Neill P Syracuse
7 Steve Hawkins DB Western Michigan
8 Max Lane T Navy
9 Darrell Mitchell WR Texas Tech
10 Jay Walker QB Howard
11 Marty Moore LB Kentucky

1993
1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State
2 Chris Slade DE Virginia
3 Todd Rucci T Penn State
4 Vincent Brisby WR N.E. Louisiana
5 Kevin Johnson DT Texas Southern
6 Corwin Brown DB Michigan
7 Scott Sisson K Georgia Tech
8 Richard Griffith TE Arizona
9 Lawrence Hatch DB Florida
10 Troy Brown WR Marshall

 

[Trip]

I agree. Well done, Trip.

Would it take too much to list the guys he drafted just with the Jets, when he was undoubtedly the one making the decisions?

Here you go. This paints a completely different picture, OL is about the only area that he had success. Although.... he only had one first rounder and hit with Farrior. Thomas, Young, Fabini all good OL. Jason Ferguson was a steal that late. See anything else?

1999
2 26 Randy Thomas OG Mississippi State
3 29 David Loverne OG San Jose State
4 28 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska
5 29 Jermaine Jones DB NW Louisiana
6 14 Marc Megna LB Richmond
6 28 J.P. Machado OG Illinois
7 17 Ryan Young OT Kansas State
7 29 J.J. Syvrud DE Jamestown

1998
2 26 Dorian Boose DT Washington State
3 6 Scott Frost DB Nebraska
3 26 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State
4 19 Jason Fabini OT Cincinnati
5 11 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern
5 18 Doug Karczewski OT Virginia
5 23 Blake Spence TE Oregon
5 26 Eric Bateman OT Brigham Young
6 10 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland
6 21 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State
6 30 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young
7 6 Lawrence Hart TE Southern

1997
1 8 James Farrior LB Virginia
2 1 Rick Terry DT North Carolina
3 28 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa
4 6 Terry Day DE Mississippi State
4 8 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina
5 1 Lamont Burns OG East Carolina
5 15 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee
6 1 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern
6 28 Chuck Clements QB Houston
7 1 Steve Rosga DB Colorado
7 28 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia

​

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thanks guys...

Yeesh, not much there with the Jets, is there? You wonder if he wasn't doing like a lot of new GMs and trying to outsmart everyone.

(Although he was also the GM when he traded Keyshawn and had the four first rounders, and took Pennington and Becht, right?)

Or maybe -- imagine this -- we have better scouts here than he had there?

 

[Silverstar]

Peterman was drafted in the 3rd round but still counts under his criteria.

I knew that when I added him on there...was just lazy.

Forgot to edit the next line from 3 to 4 though...ooops

 

[Trip]

Here are Parcells Drafts:

2000 As Jets GM
1 Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee
2 John Abraham LB South Carolina
3 Chad Pennington QB Marshall
4 Anthony Becht TE West Virginia
5 Laveranues Coles WR Florida State
6 Windrell Hayes WR USC
7 Tony Scott DB North Carolina State
8 Richard Seals DT Utah

1999
1 Randy Thomas G Mississippi State
2 David Loverne G San Jose State
3 Jason Wiltz DT Nebraska
4 Jermaine Jones DB NW Louisiana
5 Marc Megna LB Richmond
6 J.P. Machado G Illinois
7 Ryan Young T Kansas State
8 Syvrud DE Jamestown

1998
1 Dorian Boose DT Washington State
2 Scott Frost DB Nebraska
3 Kevin Williams DB Oklahoma State
4 Jason Fabini T Cincinnati
5 Casey Dailey LB Northwestern
6 Doug Karczewski T Virginia
7 Blake Spence TE Oregon
8 Eric Bateman T Brigham Young
9 Eric Ogbogu DT Maryland
10 Chris Brazzell WR Angelo State
11 Dustin Johnson RB Brigham Young
12 Lawrence Hart TE Southern

1997
1 James Farrior LB Virginia
2 Rick Terry DT North Carolina
3 Dedric Ward WR Northern Iowa
4 Terry Day DE Mississippi State
5 Leon Johnson RB North Carolina
6 Lamont Burns G East Carolina
7 Raymond Austin DB Tennessee
8 Tim Scharf LB Northwestern
9 Chuck Clements QB Houston
10 Steve Rosga DB Colorado
11 Jason Ferguson DT Georgia

1996 (Who was running this draft?)
1 Terry (She) Glenn WR Ohio State
2 Lawyer Milloy DB Washington
3 Tedy Bruschi LB Arizona
4 Heath Irwin G Colorado
5 Chris Sullivan DT Boston College
6 Kantroy Barber RB West Virginia
7 John Elmore G Texas
8 Christian Peter DT Nebraska
9 Chris Griffin TE New Mexico
10 Marrio Grier RB Tennessee-Chattanooga
11 Devin Wyman DE Kentucky State
12 Lovett Purnell TE West Virginia
13 J.R. Conrad T Oklahoma

1995
1 Ty Law DB Michigan
2 Ted Johnson LB Colorado
3 Curtis Martin RB Pittsburgh
4 Jimmy Hitchcock DB North Carolina
5 Dave Wohlabaugh C Syracuse
6 Dino Philyaw RB Oregon
7 Carlos Yancy DB Georgia

1994
1 Willie McGinest DE USC
2 Kevin Lee WR Alabama
3 Ervin Collier DT Florida A&M
4 Joe Burch C Texas Southern
5 John Burke TE Virginia Tech
6 Patt O'Neill P Syracuse
7 Steve Hawkins DB Western Michigan
8 Max Lane T Navy
9 Darrell Mitchell WR Texas Tech
10 Jay Walker QB Howard
11 Marty Moore LB Kentucky

1993
1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State
2 Chris Slade DE Virginia
3 Todd Rucci T Penn State
4 Vincent Brisby WR N.E. Louisiana
5 Kevin Johnson DT Texas Southern
6 Corwin Brown DB Michigan
7 Scott Sisson K Georgia Tech
8 Richard Griffith TE Arizona
9 Lawrence Hatch DB Florida
10 Troy Brown WR Marshall

Hey CBZ40, You sure about Parcells being involved in the 2000 draft with the Jets? If so, then he's also the one that traded Keyshawn to the Bucs, and no doubt that would be his best draft with the Jets. I didn't think he was involved in that one, but I could be wrong.

Edit - You're absolutely right. That Keyshawn trade threw me off, but Parcells dealt him, and had a great 2000 draft with the Jets.

 

[Cbz40]

Hey CBZ40, You sure about Parcells being involved in the 2000 draft with the Jets? If so, then he's also the one that traded Keyshawn to the Bucs, and no doubt that would be his best draft with the Jets. I didn't think he was involved in that one, but I could be wrong.

No Sir I am not He may not have been.....I put this together 3 years ago for BP's 1st draft with the Cowboys.

 

[Trip]

No Sir I am not He may not have been.....I put this together 3 years ago for BP's 1st draft with the Cowboys.

Nope you're right. I found it after I posted that. He retired as coach in 1999, stayed on as GM in 2000, dealt Keyshawn and had a fantastic draft with the Jets.

 

[ravidubey]

Parcells' strengths don't lay as a GM (he didn't get himself a legit backup QB in 1999 with a contending team and it cost him). He's a very good head coach and master motivater who knows special teams very well. He loves finding playmakers on defense because IMO he thinks that's where he can teach the most. Look how many defensive backs-- that position has special teams crossover written all over it.

On offense he'll favor OL and TE's over the other skill positions. He loves competitors but usually does not trust them enough on offense to let them loose-- especially if he knows he has a good defense. He needs aggressive minds helping him on the offensive side of coaching, guys like Sean Payton and Drew Bledsoe come to mind .

 

[Trip]

Parcells' strengths don't lay as a GM

That's the popular opinion, and what I thought too. But it's hard to argue with that one draft he had as GM. Wow!