How there could be some value in one year trade rentals

[darthseinfeld]

Let me just start by saying this is most definitely a bored slow news offseason thread lol.

Ill use a somewhat generic example to illustrated where there is some potential value in a one year trade rental

(Note, I have not heard any trade rumors regarding Robinson. Just using him as an example) Rams have declined Greg Robinsons 5th year option. Now lets pretend they are willing to move on from him for a day 3 pick. Dallas calls and offers a conditional 5th ( the comp 5th). Robinson our starting RT, has a solid season. Dallas lets him walk, and on the strength of his solid season signs a deal averaging 8 million per. Dallas, not active again in Free Agency, nets a 2019 4th round comp for Robinson. Effectively the final net for trade would be Robinson for one year and a 2019 late fourth, for a 2018 late fifth.

Given that Dallas usually isnt very active in FA, any trade they make for a player with a year left on the contract has the potential offer somewhat of a refund in the way of comp picks. And if you can get good value in a trade, and the player raises his market, there is potential to go more value back in picks then what you gave up.

Im not advocating this as any kind of policy. Too much wildcatting. But it is a different way of looking at trading for a guy on the last year of his deal. Like everything yes, you really have to access the value

 

[jrumann59]

I think its smart but I also think that is why all FO know this. I mean if LA know they can get a 5th with a possible upside being a 4th if they choose not to re-sign why trade him.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think its smart but I also think that is why all FO know this. I mean if LA know they can get a 5th with a possible upside being a 4th if they choose not to re-sign why trade him.

Could be they would rather have the earlier pick. In this senario they would a 2018 pick and any comp pick we get would be for 2019. It's also a gamble on our part. The picked netted via trade would be a sure thing

 

[jobberone]

Interesting. Too convoluted.

 

[Proof]

This is my thoughts regarding Sheldon Richardson

 

[Sydla]

Let me just start by saying this is most definitely a bored slow news offseason thread lol.

Ill use a somewhat generic example to illustrated where there is some potential value in a one year trade rental

(Note, I have not heard any trade rumors regarding Robinson. Just using him as an example) Rams have declined Greg Robinsons 5th year option. Now lets pretend they are willing to move on from him for a day 3 pick. Dallas calls and offers a conditional 5th ( the comp 5th). Robinson our starting RT, has a solid season. Dallas lets him walk, and on the strength of his solid season signs a deal averaging 8 million per. Dallas, not active again in Free Agency, nets a 2019 4th round comp for Robinson. Effectively the final net for trade would be Robinson for one year and a 2019 late fourth, for a 2018 late fifth.

Given that Dallas usually isnt very active in FA, any trade they make for a player with a year left on the contract has the potential offer somewhat of a refund in the way of comp picks. And if you can get good value in a trade, and the player raises his market, there is potential to go more value back in picks then what you gave up.

Im not advocating this as any kind of policy. Too much wildcatting. But it is a different way of looking at trading for a guy on the last year of his deal. Like everything yes, you really have to access the value

I'll save everyone the time and effort from having to respond. Here's what the detractors will say:

We don't need older players. We are building the right way, through the draft. Taking veterans who are older would be bad money spent. These older players will be progress stoppers for the youngsters who are about to kick butt and take names in the NFL. We have no use for quality aging vets. So don't waste your time...............

 

[Ranching]

Im not advocating this as any kind of policy. Too much wildcatting. But it is a different way of looking at trading for a guy on the last year of his deal. Like everything yes, you really have to access the value[/QUOTE]


Jerry made his fortune by wildcatting in oil and in football. Those days seem to be over, he hasn't taken any chances for a couple of years. I guess the Hardy fiasco is still haunting him.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Let me just start by saying this is most definitely a bored slow news offseason thread lol.

Ill use a somewhat generic example to illustrated where there is some potential value in a one year trade rental

(Note, I have not heard any trade rumors regarding Robinson. Just using him as an example) Rams have declined Greg Robinsons 5th year option. Now lets pretend they are willing to move on from him for a day 3 pick. Dallas calls and offers a conditional 5th ( the comp 5th). Robinson our starting RT, has a solid season. Dallas lets him walk, and on the strength of his solid season signs a deal averaging 8 million per. Dallas, not active again in Free Agency, nets a 2019 4th round comp for Robinson. Effectively the final net for trade would be Robinson for one year and a 2019 late fourth, for a 2018 late fifth.

Given that Dallas usually isnt very active in FA, any trade they make for a player with a year left on the contract has the potential offer somewhat of a refund in the way of comp picks. And if you can get good value in a trade, and the player raises his market, there is potential to go more value back in picks then what you gave up.

Im not advocating this as any kind of policy. Too much wildcatting. But it is a different way of looking at trading for a guy on the last year of his deal. Like everything yes, you really have to access the value

If they decline the fifth year option, doesn't that make him a free agent? If so, we could just sign him as a FA. I'm assuming a player becomes a FA if the team doesn't exercise the option year.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Or we trade and he washes out then we are out a fifth round pick for someone we had to cut (or who stinks)

 

[speedkilz88]

If they decline the fifth year option, doesn't that make him a free agent? If so, we could just sign him as a FA. I'm assuming a player becomes a FA if the team doesn't exercise the option year.

He'll be a free agent after this season.

 

[BourbonBalz]

He'll be a free agent after this season.

I thought the post was indicating he had already finished his 4th season. My bad.

 

[dagreat1_87]

not necessarily a bad idea but i think the draft would've been the time to do these type of trades. Take Robinson for example again. If we made that offer, the rams may have traded him because they would've had the chance to draft his replacement. Since the draft is over, a trade is unlikely because they have no one to replace him with. As bad as he may be, he'll still be starting in some way on their line

 

[xwalker]

Let me just start by saying this is most definitely a bored slow news offseason thread lol.

Ill use a somewhat generic example to illustrated where there is some potential value in a one year trade rental

(Note, I have not heard any trade rumors regarding Robinson. Just using him as an example) Rams have declined Greg Robinsons 5th year option. Now lets pretend they are willing to move on from him for a day 3 pick. Dallas calls and offers a conditional 5th ( the comp 5th). Robinson our starting RT, has a solid season. Dallas lets him walk, and on the strength of his solid season signs a deal averaging 8 million per. Dallas, not active again in Free Agency, nets a 2019 4th round comp for Robinson. Effectively the final net for trade would be Robinson for one year and a 2019 late fourth, for a 2018 late fifth.

Given that Dallas usually isnt very active in FA, any trade they make for a player with a year left on the contract has the potential offer somewhat of a refund in the way of comp picks. And if you can get good value in a trade, and the player raises his market, there is potential to go more value back in picks then what you gave up.

Im not advocating this as any kind of policy. Too much wildcatting. But it is a different way of looking at trading for a guy on the last year of his deal. Like everything yes, you really have to access the value

The 5th year option is fairly expensive (12.496M for Robinson). They must like him enough to invoke the option. If they like him enough to pay him that much money, then they probably won't trade him away for a 5th.

 

[darthseinfeld]

The 5th year option is fairly expensive (12.496M for Robinson). They must like him enough to invoke the option. If they like him enough to pay him that much money, then they probably won't trade him away for a 5th.

They declined the option

 

[Floatyworm]

I think its smart but I also think that is why all FO know this. I mean if LA know they can get a 5th with a possible upside being a 4th if they choose not to re-sign why trade him.

Because Robinson could also bomb the season. Then what? If you are the Rams...you just let a 5th rounder go...and you recieve nothing when he walks in FA.

I love the idea of trading comp picks....and then getting another. Nice work Darthseinfeld.

 

[Leadbelly]

A lot of teams do this already, the Patriots in particular. That's a contributor to why there were so many 4th round comp picks this year. I think teams have caught on and won't be surprised if the NFL adjusts their comp pick formula accordingly to nip this in the bud.

Teams with quality QBs can pretty easily make a mediocre WR look much better than he is and some desperate team will jump on him in FA. Works with undervalued FAs and cuts too. I suspect that's why the Pats signed Michael Floyd last year. I think we're already thinking in these terms with Cooper at LG. We have an OL that can make guys look really good surrounded by TSmith, Fred, and ZMart (along with Zeke).

 

[Daillest88]

Greg Robinson is so horrible. I don't think you guys know how bad he is