Howard Jones LB Shepherd coming in for private workout

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He was a pass rusher in college. He played DE in the NFLPA game.

The fact that he is coming in for a visit probably eliminates the Jason Williams issue which was a poor mental makeup. The Cowboys have been much better in evaluating the mental makeup of players since Garrett became the Head Coach. He even had them hire an outside company that assists with the mental makeup evaluation.

The Cowboys have generally had success with the player that they drafted that had visited Valley Ranch or that they had otherwise met with privately.

Callahan spent significant time with Frederick prior to the draft; however, nobody on the Cowboys actually talked to Morris Claiborne prior to his draft.

So if they didn't talk to Claiborne, then they really haven't gotten any better under Garrett in evaluating mental make-up. Don't understand how no one in the Cowboys organization talked to Claiborne but yet you are going to trade up and draft him in the top 10.
 

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So if they didn't talk to Claiborne, then they really haven't gotten any better under Garrett in evaluating mental make-up. Don't understand how no one in the Cowboys organization talked to Claiborne but yet you are going to trade up and draft him in the top 10.

I'm sure they didn't plan to draft him. I'm sure they talked to his college Head Coach who once coached for the Cowboys, Les Miles.

Having said that, they really should talk to all players ranked as 1st rounders.

It seems to be a push pull between Jerry and Garrett/Stephen. I assume that Jerry pushed for the trade up for Claiborne and that Garrett, Stephen and the scouts didn't anticipate it. The good thing is that everything about this off-season hints that Jerry has given more power to Stephen/Garrett. Hopefully, that continues though the draft.

It does appear that Jerry only gets involved in the 1st round picks and lets Stephen/Garrett and the scouting dept. run the other rounds.
 

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I'm sure they didn't plan to draft him. I'm sure they talked to his college Head Coach who once coached for the Cowboys, Les Miles.

Having said that, they really should talk to all players ranked as 1st rounders.

It seems to be a push pull between Jerry and Garrett/Stephen. I assume that Jerry pushed for the trade up for Claiborne and that Garrett, Stephen and the scouts didn't anticipate it. The good thing is that everything about this off-season hints that Jerry has given more power to Stephen/Garrett. Hopefully, that continues though the draft.

It does appear that Jerry only gets involved in the 1st round picks and lets Stephen/Garrett and the scouting dept. run the other rounds.

I hope your right about JJ kind of taking a back seat after the 1st round. I still have a little hope left for Mo.
 

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I hope your right about JJ kind of taking a back seat after the 1st round. I still have a little hope left for Mo.

Claiborne is the only pick that I think fits in that category of players that they didn't personally interview since 2009.

In 2009 and prior, many of their draft busts were due to poor mental makeup and not lack of physical ability. Robert Brewster was lazy and didn't like football, Jason Williams could understand the complexities of an NFL defense, AOA could play the run or the pass but he couldn't anticipate when to play one vs the other, Bobby Carpenter and Jacob Rogers didn't like the physicality of football, etc..
 

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Agreed. I had heard some hype about him but he looks miserable in this game. He's in the 230's, so not holding up at the POA doesn't surprise me, but does he even look like too great of an athlete as a run and chase player? Nothing stands out.

from cbssports.com:

Jones received attention from Virginia, Virginia Tech and a few other FBS-level programs out of high school, but he didn't qualify academically to go the Division-I route so instead looked at Division-II schools, choosing Shepherd over Mercyhurst and West Virginia State. He arrived at Shepherd in 2008 as a 185-pound wide receiver, but redshirted and was academically ineligible, not seeing the field until 2010 when he transitioned to the defensive side of the ball. Jones started all but two games the last four seasons, recording consistent production each year, leaving Shepherd with several career marks, including sacks (34.5). He became the first player from Shepherd to receive a NFL Combine invite and is attempting to be just the fourth draft pick in school history and first since 1979. Jones is skilled and offers intriguing athletic traits, but is still very unpolished with his technique and football instincts -- skilled, but raw. He offers intriguing upside as a developmental prospect who can make plays on special teams coverage, but is still a year or two away from having a consistent role on defense.
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one doing that. I've been singing that song for three days, every time I see this thread on the top page. :)

Me too. I was waiting for someone to go there and wasn't worried my reference could be taken because I can go 3-4 songs deep with HJ before hitting google.
 
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My post history clearly suggests the opposite as I'm openly critical of the team in several areas that actually affect winning and losing. But your fantasy in this regard is, at least, consistent.

I've said in other threads that I look at both the draft and CFA collectively for an offseason since they combine to represent the collective effort of the scouts and management to evaluate the rookie talent pool. We know for a fact, for example, that the Cowboys will not select a player they have a mid-round grade on in some cases if they expect that player will make it to college free agency and thus be available without a pick. This is because the teams in this league approach the rookie talent pool as a whole and don't just look at adding talent with their actual picks.

What that in mind, 2012 brought us Mo, Leary, Wilber, Crawford, Hannah, Dunbar, Johnson, and Beasley. By my count, that's 4 starters or key role players and three other players who all play significant snaps on offense or defense. And, of course, Johnson, who you guys all dislike for whatever backwards reasons. Apart from Leary, the OL need was addressed in VFA, though you complained about that and were proven wrong in retrospect, too. Not too bad with a fractured process.

The Mo pick was a really good maneuver in that draft, and it's turned out that he hasn't been worth the value we gave up to get him to-date. That might be because he was mis-evaluated, but I'm not so sure that's the case. I still consider him a work in process, but there's no denying he's underdelivered on everybody's expectations.

2013, then, brought us Frederick, Escobar, Williams, Wilcox, Holloman, Heath, and Hamilton. It's too early to evaluate that class as a whole, but it looks like we could have as many as five starters from that group half way through their respective rookie contracts. I have a hard time buying any argument that finds fault with that for no better reason than they didn't like the discussion going on in the draft room at the time the first round selection was made. Then again, I don't have any particular ax to grind when it comes to evaluating what the team does I just try to look at the players who were added and evaluate them based on their relative ability to perform on our roster over time.

I totally agree with you assessment. I feel that the drafting mindset and culture has changed for the good. As with all teams, you are not going to hit a homerun with every draft pick. For me the jury is still out on Claiborne. I guarantee if he has a solid season the conversation on here will change. For me, I have reservations about Johnson and Heath, but the picks were made based off what the scouts brought tote table. I am overall fine with the possibilities of the '12 & '13 drafts potentials.
 

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Jones received attention from Virginia, Virginia Tech and a few other FBS-level programs out of high school, but he didn't qualify academically to go the Division-I route so instead looked at Division-II schools, choosing Shepherd over Mercyhurst and West Virginia State. He arrived at Shepherd in 2008 as a 185-pound wide receiver, but redshirted and was academically ineligible, not seeing the field until 2010 when he transitioned to the defensive side of the ball. Jones started all but two games the last four seasons, recording consistent production each year, leaving Shepherd with several career marks, including sacks (34.5). He became the first player from Shepherd to receive a NFL Combine invite and is attempting to be just the fourth draft pick in school history and first since 1979. Jones is skilled and offers intriguing athletic traits, but is still very unpolished with his technique and football instincts -- skilled, but raw. He offers intriguing upside as a developmental prospect who can make plays on special teams coverage, but is still a year or two away from having a consistent role on defense.

Wonderlich score? 185 pound receiver miraculously packs on 45 pounds in 6 years? Arrived in 2008, so he is at least 24?
 
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