Huge Loss, But Playing Without Lee Is Nothing New

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Nick Eatman DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer

IRVING, Texas – One year ago, after the Cowboys finished their first OTA practice of 2013, any talk about the defense typically centered on about five guys. For this team to turn the corner and make the smooth transition to the 4-3 scheme, they needed their “ballers” to ball out.

That’s DeMarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Spencer , Sean Lee , and at the time, it was probably Brandon Carr . And then after that, Jason Hatcher, Morris Claiborne and Bruce Carter were being counted on as well.

Man, what a difference 12 months can make.


Ware, Ratliff and Hatcher … gone.

Lee is now out for the season again. Spencer doesn’t seem to be that close to returning from a microfracture knee surgery. And Claiborne and Carter are just trying to battle their way into the starting lineup again.

A year ago, these were your core guys on defense. And now, most of them are gone and the rest are not being counted on very heavily.

Good luck, Rod Marinelli.


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People thought I was crazy saying our D might be worse than last year. I still stand by that:

The Bad and Question Marks:
-Selvie might have peaked last year and there's no guarnantee he'll duplicate last year or improve.
-Spencer most likely won't play and if he does he probably won't provide much.
-Lawrence is a rookie and a fringe 1st rounder in a weak DE draft.
-Crawford and Bass are back from injury but have yet to prove anything in the NFL.
-Our most proven vet, Melton, is coming back from a serious injury and still isn't healthy enough to play.
-We're relying on a lot of 7th rounders on defense and JAG vets like McClain and Mincey.
-As expected, no Sean Lee this year.
-Bruce Carter is playing for his job and might be a bust after this year.
-Our "vets" on defense are young unproven guys like Holloman and Wilber.
-Claiborne is reaching bust status along with Carter.
-Carr is a decent CB at best but might still be psychologically wrecked.
-Scandrick is our best CB, which isn't a compliment.
-Church is probably our most proven defensive player, which definitely isn't a compliment.
-The other safeties are Wilcox, Heath and Matt Johnson.

The Good:
-Uhhhhh.....
 

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People thought I was crazy saying our D might be worse than last year. I still stand by that:

The Bad and Question Marks:
-Selvie might have peaked last year and there's no guarnantee he'll duplicate last year or improve.
-Spencer most likely won't play and if he does he probably won't provide much.
-Lawrence is a rookie and a fringe 1st rounder in a weak DE draft.
-Crawford and Bass are back from injury but have yet to prove anything in the NFL.
-Our most proven vet, Melton, is coming back from a serious injury and still isn't healthy enough to play.
-We're relying on a lot of 7th rounders on defense and JAG vets like McClain and Mincey.
-As expected, no Sean Lee this year.
-Bruce Carter is playing for his job and might be a bust after this year.
-Our "vets" on defense are young unproven guys like Holloman and Wilber.
-Claiborne is reaching bust status along with Carter.
-Carr is a decent CB at best but might still be psychologically wrecked.
-Scandrick is our best CB, which isn't a compliment.
-Church is probably our most proven defensive player, which definitely isn't a compliment.
-The other safeties are Wilcox, Heath and Matt Johnson.

The Good:
-Uhhhhh.....

Anything over 8-8 even if we miss playoffs will be an improvement given your list, which I agree with. Even 7-9 would be acceptable.
 

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I didn't know the GM was responsible for injuries that happen all the time.
Just more to us than others...but really, you are blaming the GM...why not the trainers.. or the dog walker passing by the practice facility...

A team with a butt load of questions marks doesn't happen. The Dallas Cowboys are very ill prepared personnel wise for 2014 which falls directly on the GM....yet again.
 

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Eatman makes a good point. As good a player as Lee is, he has missed a season worth of games already. This occurred early enough that the loss can be mitigated. Holloman and Hitchens should get plenty of reps and the 1st crack and then McClay needs to pull out his list of street free agents and get the right people in Dallas. Plus, look at teams like San Francisco and Seattle for training camp cuts.

This happening so early may be the blessing in disguise.
 

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Looks real bad. This d could seriously be worse than last years! So many questions going into the season on d its ridiculous.

It does look bad. But I think, for several reasons, this defense will be significantly better than last year's debacle.
Sadly, last year was so bad that even a significant step would not even get us to average.
 

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Since Lee took over as the starter in 2011, he’s started 32 games and the Cowboys are 15-17.
In the 16 games without Lee, the Cowboys are 9-7, including a 3-2 record down the stretch last season.

Food for thought.
 

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I am hoping that this shows management not to take risks with players that have a history of injuries. Some people can handle the wear and tear of NFL football and some can't. Lee obviously can't. No matter how gifted you are as a player - if you can't play you are in the way.

I was expecting our D to be on par with last years unit even before Lee's injury. There is limited depth, limited talent and too many guys playing out of position or a new position.

I am sorry to say but I would consider ourselves lucky to win 6 games with this brutal schedule we have. I am so bummed out and we are not even in training camp. This team is depressing.
 

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People thought I was crazy saying our D might be worse than last year. I still stand by that:

The Bad and Question Marks:
-Selvie might have peaked last year and there's no guarnantee he'll duplicate last year or improve.
-Spencer most likely won't play and if he does he probably won't provide much.
-Lawrence is a rookie and a fringe 1st rounder in a weak DE draft.
-Crawford and Bass are back from injury but have yet to prove anything in the NFL.
-Our most proven vet, Melton, is coming back from a serious injury and still isn't healthy enough to play.
-We're relying on a lot of 7th rounders on defense and JAG vets like McClain and Mincey.
-As expected, no Sean Lee this year.
-Bruce Carter is playing for his job and might be a bust after this year.
-Our "vets" on defense are young unproven guys like Holloman and Wilber.
-Claiborne is reaching bust status along with Carter.
-Carr is a decent CB at best but might still be psychologically wrecked.
-Scandrick is our best CB, which isn't a compliment.
-Church is probably our most proven defensive player, which definitely isn't a compliment.
-The other safeties are Wilcox, Heath and Matt Johnson.

The Good:
-Uhhhhh.....

So...let me see if get this straight....

You are willing to count on every position being a downgrade from last year or insulting every decent guy we do have (Carr, Church, Scandrick) and assume no positives will occur.

Yep....I know a lot of folks like you.

Let me take your list and put the positive spin on it.
-Selvie came in off the street and had a minimal training camp and no offseason with the team and put up his best numbers ever. With a full year in the system and probably being able to play WDE where he may be a better fit, he might blow up this year.
-Spencer basically didn't play at all a year ago...if he comes back it's an added piece of the puzzle to work with even as a rotation player
-Lawrence is a rookie that fits exactly what we need, some speed and a high motor
-Crawford was raved about last year by Hatcher who saw the writing on the wall and said this is the guy that will make me expendable. Bass was the second most talked about DL in the offseason. Again two guys with a little hype looking to prove themselves.
-We've added Henry Melton, a still young guy that has been dominant in Marinelli's system.
-We have several 7th rounders looking like steals. Mincey and McClain know their roles and will excel being in a rotation.
-Lost Sean Lee, but guys got valuable experience last season playing without him that otherwise wouldn't. We will be more prepared for his loss.
-Bruce Carter had a down year but is playing for a contract, you know how that normally works. Cha-ching!!!!!
-What we lack in experience we make up for in youth, determination and athletic ability. Holloman and Wilbur are ready to rock and roll!!!!!
-Claiborne is finally healthy after flashing some decent ability his first year...basically gives us another draft pick on defense
-Scandrick was one of the best slot corners in the league, earned a starting spot...player playing with a chip on his shoulder
-Church is one hell of an enforcer and is all over the field. Big hits, forced fumbles, the guy makes plays
-Matt Johnson has shaken the injury bug, is ready to show that he is an all over the field safety. Wilcox not only brings big hitting ability but has a year in the system and a lot of playing time to build on. Heath adds depth due to his baptism by fire a year ago.

It can go both ways, but chances are, there are going to be some positives, there are going to be some negatives. I think the defense is going to be much improved myself. Top ten? Nope. Top half? Probably not. Top 20? Maybe. Top 25. Yeah, absolutely.

With the improvement to the offense, a defense that jumps 7-10 spots will make a big difference.
 

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So...let me see if get this straight....

You are willing to count on every position being a downgrade from last year or insulting every decent guy we do have (Carr, Church, Scandrick) and assume no positives will occur.

Yep....I know a lot of folks like you.

Let me take your list and put the positive spin on it.
-Selvie came in off the street and had a minimal training camp and no offseason with the team and put up his best numbers ever. With a full year in the system and probably being able to play WDE where he may be a better fit, he might blow up this year.
-Spencer basically didn't play at all a year ago...if he comes back it's an added piece of the puzzle to work with even as a rotation player
-Lawrence is a rookie that fits exactly what we need, some speed and a high motor
-Crawford was raved about last year by Hatcher who saw the writing on the wall and said this is the guy that will make me expendable. Bass was the second most talked about DL in the offseason. Again two guys with a little hype looking to prove themselves.
-We've added Henry Melton, a still young guy that has been dominant in Marinelli's system.
-We have several 7th rounders looking like steals. Mincey and McClain know their roles and will excel being in a rotation.
-Lost Sean Lee, but guys got valuable experience last season playing without him that otherwise wouldn't. We will be more prepared for his loss.
-Bruce Carter had a down year but is playing for a contract, you know how that normally works. Cha-ching!!!!!
-What we lack in experience we make up for in youth, determination and athletic ability. Holloman and Wilbur are ready to rock and roll!!!!!
-Claiborne is finally healthy after flashing some decent ability his first year...basically gives us another draft pick on defense
-Scandrick was one of the best slot corners in the league, earned a starting spot...player playing with a chip on his shoulder
-Church is one hell of an enforcer and is all over the field. Big hits, forced fumbles, the guy makes plays
-Matt Johnson has shaken the injury bug, is ready to show that he is an all over the field safety. Wilcox not only brings big hitting ability but has a year in the system and a lot of playing time to build on. Heath adds depth due to his baptism by fire a year ago.

It can go both ways, but chances are, there are going to be some positives, there are going to be some negatives. I think the defense is going to be much improved myself. Top ten? Nope. Top half? Probably not. Top 20? Maybe. Top 25. Yeah, absolutely.

With the improvement to the offense, a defense that jumps 7-10 spots will make a big difference.

My point was that literally everyone on our defense is a question mark. You can't win that way. Like you said, some things will work out well and some things will be a disaster. But you have to have some certainties on defense. Put it this way, even if EVERY question (and there are a lot) worked out well, we'd still be at best an average defense. So basically we'd need to win the lottery to break even. We're much more likely to be a disaster than decent. And my list didn't even include injuries. Our only reliable player (when he's on the field) is out for the year. There will be other injuries. It's just a matter of time. We're likely to be awful before the injuries. Imagine how we'll be when they actually happen. My point -- there are just way too many question marks on this defense. Even an optimist could see our ceiling isn't very high.
 

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We were awful last year...historically bad. In most cases it was due to older guys being injured...which happens with older guys. The defense is being turned over with a lot of young bodies....chances are those guys get better with more playing time, compared with vets, who tend to stay the same or get worse. What is your definition of average? It would be like somewhere from 12-22 for me. I think we can be in the high teens to low 20's. That is a significant upgrade over low 20's into the 30's and there really shouldn't be decline in the offense. If anything, should be better with a year of experience for Frederick, Leary, Smith, Williams, Murray, Escobar and adding a stud OL in Martin.
 
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