Huge Reason we Won

[Longboysfan]

If we just could have eliminated the big plays Wilson was able to get with Baldwin and Lockett... it would have been another New Orleans type of performance for the D

Other than the late reception all the throws were closely contested.

 

[visionary]

What if all the 3rd down conversions were run plays?

Not just that

Even if all third downs were not run plays, a number of them clearly were

When you pick up several third downs by running, the next time you are in 3rd and 3, the defense will stack the box, making it easier to pass for third down. Even though this would be a passing third down, it would have been picked up because of the run game.

There are also other reasons a team would run, like to run out the clock or to be physical and "set the tone" . These runs might not be long but do their job.

The problem is that these are complicated and it is very difficult to get accurate stats around these sort of issues but posters like Adam post them as fact and posters like Idgit don't understand these limitations and believe them

My point is not that these stats are wrong
My point is that people posting these stats should explain their limitations and not try to shout down the rest of us who actually believe that the run game is very very important to winning

 

[Fmart322]

TOP is huge.

However, if we want to win the super bowl, we need to score early with the large TOP.

Our lack of scoring allows teams to stick around for far too long

I would after if our offense managed to take full advantage of that TOP with points. Fgs don't usually win playoff games. Touchdowns do.

 

[starfrombirth]

TOP.

Not sure why no one is talking about it, but it was a huge reason we won yesterday as well as several other times this year.

Our first drive was like 6 min. SEA 3 n out. Then more TOP.

At the end, the SEA O had a horrific time getting traction and our D was kept fresh.

Not sure what game you were watching but at the end of the game our defense couldn't stop the seahags. We only won because Janikowski pulled a hammy and they couldn't kick field goals or onsides kick apparently.

 

[Zekeats]

TOP.

Not sure why no one is talking about it, but it was a huge reason we won yesterday as well as several other times this year.

Our first drive was like 6 min. SEA 3 n out. Then more TOP.

At the end, the SEA O had a horrific time getting traction and our D was kept fresh.

Need to turn those long drives into 7 though. This fg crap is what leaves teams in a game as you seen sat, score 7 there and it’s a much different and more comfortable ball game

 

[Hawkeye19]

That is why he is Wilson.

That reply TD they got after the 2 minute warning took only 45 seconds.

Wilson.

He may have just run out of time with us.

He is scary.

Blowing a coverage on Lockett definitely helped them out lol

 

[Hawkeye19]

Other than the late reception all the throws were closely contested.

Not true. On one of Lockett’s big catches earlier in the game— Seattle got him matched up against Xavier Woods. He will win that battle 100% of the time and why we allowed that to happen in the first place is bewildering.

 

[Runwildboys]

We agree that TOP is a product of the first downs, correct?

Nah, just running very, very slowly.

 

[Nightman]

I would after if our offense managed to take full advantage of that TOP with points. Fgs don't usually win playoff games. Touchdowns do.

Points win games.... FGs matter

This nonsense that they don't is just nonsense

If a team scored a FG every time they had the ball they would a lot of games

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Nah, just running very, very slowly.

Both are true.

Bleeding the clock, first down conversions no matter the down(moving the chains), and limiting turnovers.

 

[Nightman]

Not just that

Even if all third downs were not run plays, a number of them clearly were

When you pick up several third downs by running, the next time you are in 3rd and 3, the defense will stack the box, making it easier to pass for third down. Even though this would be a passing third down, it would have been picked up because of the run game.

There are also other reasons a team would run, like to run out the clock or to be physical and "set the tone" . These runs might not be long but do their job.

The problem is that these are complicated and it is very difficult to get accurate stats around these sort of issues but posters like Adam post them as fact and posters like Idgit don't understand these limitations and believe them

My point is not that these stats are wrong
My point is that people posting these stats should explain their limitations and not try to shout down the rest of us who actually believe that the run game is very very important to winning

First rule when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging

You set up these strawmen of irrelevant questions and demand satisfaction when they have absolutely Zero bearing on the discussion...... it is how the unarmed debate.... focus on something non-related to appear to get a win

Have fun Don Quixote

 

[Runwildboys]

Both are true.

Bleeding the clock, first down conversions no matter the down(moving the chains), and limiting turnovers.

I was joking.

 

[Doomsday101]

Points win games.... FGs matter

This nonsense that they don't is just nonsense

If a team scored a FG every time they had the ball they would a lot of games

all points matter but not getting TD down in the redzone can be a killer. Dallas tends to put together long drives eating clock and it they are forced to hit 3's they leave their opponent in the game. You get 2 drives of 10 plays eating up clock yet in the end up 6 to 0 instead of 14-0 keeps the other team very much alive they are 1 play from taking the lead. Thankfully in this past game Dallas hit 75% TD in the redzone and proved to be the difference in this game

 

[Nightman]

Both are true.

Bleeding the clock, first down conversions no matter the down(moving the chains), and limiting turnovers.

There are many ways team can win an individual game

But if you want to know the number one stat that correlates to winning it is Passing more efficiently than your opponent......nothing else comes close and Rushing well is way down the list

ANY/A........... Adjusted Net Yards(Pass Yards - Sack Yards - 45xINTs + 20xTDs)/Attempts + Sacks

That is a widely used stat to judge Passing Efficiently.... there are variations that give even more precise correlations but this one is easy to find

 

[Stash]

TOP is huge.

However, if we want to win the super bowl, we need to score early with the large TOP.

Our lack of scoring allows teams to stick around for far too long

Yes. This has happened time and time and time again.

We control a game, put up big yardage, and handily win the TOP "battle" and end up scoring 6 points. Repeatedly settling for field goals vs touchdowns, or not scoring at all has been this team's Achilles heel for far too long.

Thankfully, things are on the uptick in that department lately and I only hope that continues.

 

[Nightman]

all points matter but not getting TD down in the redzone can be a killer. Dallas tends to put together long drives eating clock and it they are forced to hit 3's they leave their opponent in the game. You get 2 drives of 10 plays eating up clock yet in the end up 6 to 0 instead of 14-0 keeps the other team very much alive they are 1 play from taking the lead. Thankfully in this past game Dallas hit 75% TD in the redzone and proved to be the difference in this game

You can't assume TDs just because you get in the Red Zone

Fans overreact but getting points is important at all times

You lose because you give up more points than you score

Fans love to go back and add up missed points instead of placing the blame on giving up an easy scoring drive

DAL averaged 10 possessions a game and 2 pts a possession... that is 20 pts a game
If they got a FG every time that would be 30 pts a game

 

[Stash]

If we just could have eliminated the big plays Wilson was able to get with Baldwin and Lockett... it would have been another New Orleans type of performance for the D

Absolutely right.

Penalties and missed penalties were huge as well. For instance, we lost 7 points on the holding penalty on Austin's punt return. And in all likelihood, we lost at least 3 points when the officials missed blatant pass interference on that "endzone INT" nonsense that never should have happened. And a blatant hold on Randy Gregory was missed on the Seahawks 4th and 6 miracle pass and catch as well.

If the officials do a better job, that game is a blowout.

 

[Doomsday101]

You can't assume TDs just because you get in the Red Zone

Fans overreact but getting points is important at all times

You lose because you give up more points than you score

Fans love to go back and add up missed points instead of placing the blame on giving up an easy scoring drive

DAL averaged 10 possessions a game and 2 pts a possession... that is 20 pts a game
If they got a FG every time that would be 30 pts a game

You can't assume FG now days. I think it is critical for a ball control team to put the ball in the endzone, long drives eating up clock and coming away with 3 is a killer. Dallas has gone from the worst to hitting over 74% success rate that is damn good and it is up there with other top teams in the NFL. I agree points matter but you miss too many opportunities down in the redzone it will come back and bite you.

 

[visionary]

First rule when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging

You set up these strawmen of irrelevant questions and demand satisfaction when they have absolutely Zero bearing on the discussion...... it is how the unarmed debate.... focus on something non-related to appear to get a win

Have fun Don Quixote

Here is another rule:

Try to read before posting
If it's too complicated for your simple brain, ask

 

[Nightman]

You can't assume FG now days. I think it is critical for a ball control team to put the ball in the endzone, long drives eating up clock and coming away with 3 is a killer. Dallas has gone from of the worst to hitting over 74% success rate that is damn good and it is up there with other top teams in the NFL. I agree points matter but you miss too many opportunities down in the redzone it will come back and bite you.

Taking a long drive and getting a FG is not a killer...you get 3 points and you flip the field and rest your D

Three and outs are killers...... punting from the other teams 40 is a killer..... turnovers are killers

It is frustrating if you are dropping potential TDs and getting bad penalties.... self inflicted misses..... but otherwise take the points and re-load