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Afigueroa22;4585555 said:
Maybe the fact that we don't actually try to get rid of the "classes" should tell you something.

That would never happen in today's society. Someone will have to be a street sweeper, someone will have to be a company CEO. Society could not afford to pay all the street sweepers CEO money and great CEOs aren't a dime a dozen so when you find one, you have to pay him boat loads of cash to be your company's CEO. That money difference is what sets the classes apart.
 

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Sam I Am;4585987 said:
That would never happen in today's society. Someone will have to be a street sweeper, someone will have to be a company CEO. Society could not afford to pay all the street sweepers CEO money and great CEOs aren't a dime a dozen so when you find one, you have to pay him boat loads of cash to be your company's CEO. That money difference is what sets the classes apart.

I know we must have minimum wage emloyees but must we have starving children all over the world? Must we have buffets? The gap between rich and poor (globally) should be much smaller.
 

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Afigueroa22;4586003 said:
I know we must have minimum wage emloyees but must we have starving children all over the world? Must we have buffets? The gap between rich and poor (globally) should be much smaller.

That is why the rich should pay higher taxes and they should eliminate tax loopholes in general. If someone or a company owes taxes. Make them pay the damn taxes not find ways out of playing it.

They say 90% of the money is in the hands of 10% of the worlds population. There are billionaires that just sit on their cash rather than putting it to use. Use like help feeding the hungry.

Of course, there are hungry people out there that are hungry because they won't get off their ***. Some people put themselves in that position. The bad thing is, sometimes putting themselves in that positions puts their kids in that position too.
 

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Sam I Am;4586008 said:
That is why the rich should pay higher taxes and they should eliminate tax loopholes in general. If someone or a company owes taxes. Make them pay the damn taxes not find ways out of playing it.

I used to agree that the rich should be taxed more, but I've come to realize it's not fair. Companies on the other hand should be taxed up the backdoor. We are getting into politics so let's stop here :).

Many people are lazy, I agree. Most are put into unfair positions by fellow humans. Single mothers, families of murder victims, families of fallen soldiers, etc. Nationally, I come from a low class family. Globally, I understand I have more than one can ask for.

We as a species would rather not think about those that suffer while we bath in riches. Do we really need a billion dollar stadium? Do we need to pay athletes multi-millions?

All these things let us know what kind of people we are. If you look at what is on T.V. you will see what we value.
 

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That's not fair? Tell the guy working minimum wage living in a studio apartment and taking the bus to work to serve the guy with the $5M house and $250k car.
 

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Afigueroa22;4586003 said:
I know we must have minimum wage emloyees but must we have starving children all over the world? Must we have buffets? The gap between rich and poor (globally) should be much smaller.

These concerns fall under moral obligation and frankly with people thinking morality is ambiguous, you're not going to find a consensus on what's right and what's wrong. A person gorging figures it's his/her right to have as much as their money buys, etc, etc.
 

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Sam I Am;4586008 said:
That is why the rich should pay higher taxes and they should eliminate tax loopholes in general.

The only way to truly eliminate tax loopholes is to go to a flat tax or some variation of it. Tax loopholes exist precisely because of the tax bracket system.

The whole Robin Hood system that our tax brackets are modeled after sounds noble and all, but it is incredibly flawed and I personally loathe it. Essentially, America places a tax on success. Flat tax is the way to go, sad as it may sound the medium and high income households should not be forced to prop up those below them.
 

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Sam I Am;4586144 said:
That's not fair? Tell the guy working minimum wage living in a studio apartment and taking the bus to work to serve the guy with the $5M house and $250k car.

Life's not fair. Nobody is guranteed equality of results in life.
 

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The30YardSlant;4586155 said:
Life's not fair. Nobody is guranteed equality of results in life.

Yes. Which is another reason the rich should pay more taxes. :)
 

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Sam I Am;4586157 said:
Yes. Which is another reason the rich should pay more taxes. :)

So your solution to life's lack of "fairness" is to support an unfair tax rate? HALF of all Americans don't pay any taxes at all and you're whining about a flat tax being unfair?
 

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The30YardSlant;4586164 said:
So your solution to life's lack of "fairness" is to support an unfair tax rate? HALF of all Americans don't pay any taxes at all and you're whining about a flat tax being unfair?

There is nothing unfair about it. I pay more taxes than most Americans and I support it.

Anyhow. Time to drop this. It is a politically based subject.
 

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Sam I Am;4586171 said:
There is nothing unfair about it. I pay more taxes than most Americans and I support it.

Anyhow. Time to drop this. It is a politically based subject.
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Afigueroa22;4585267 said:
1) Are we naturally good or naturally bad?

2 ) Are we born with intellect? (ex: Einstein, Da Vinci, Hawking)

3) What is your opinion on how we as the human race have done so far?

1) All have sinned and fallen short ...

2) Intellect, emotion and will.

3) Probably cyclical, but it is deteorating right now.
 

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WV Cowboy;4586462 said:
1) All have sinned and fallen short ...

2) Intellect, emotion and will.

3) Probably cyclical, but it is deteorating right now.

1) I did not ask if we sinned, I asked if we would sin naturally with no direction.

2) To what extent does intellect present itself in most of us?

3) Do you mean it varies? I am not familiar with this term.
 

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Afigueroa22;4586545 said:
1) I did not ask if we sinned, I asked if we would sin naturally with no direction.

2) To what extent does intellect present itself in most of us?

3) Do you mean it varies? I am not familiar with this term.

1) Since I feel that we all have sinned, I am saying we all sin naturally

2) I think each has different levels/extent of intellect, emotion and will, ... who can measure each?

3) Small cycles of getting better and worse, .. deteorating right now
 

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WV Cowboy;4586560 said:
1) Since I feel that we all have sinned, I am saying we all sin naturally

2) I think each has different levels/extent of intellect, emotion and will, ... who can measure each?

3) Small cycles of getting better and worse, .. deteorating right now

I believe we can measure our intellect as a whole by observing our media and technological advances. We have come far but we seem to be in a stasis, technologically speaking. Most use their abilities to profit. Rarely do we see inventions come out that help.

Even medicinally people look to profit from illness. Do you know why most medicines do not cure, but only relieve? They don't make enough money off of a one time cure. Repeat business is the key to profiting.

Green cars and electric cars have existed for quite some time now. Why are they barely being released it seems? Oil companies bought out these projects and scrapped them. Nevermind that it means less pollution for our Earth, we want money.
 

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WV Cowboy;4586560 said:
1) Since I feel that we all have sinned, I am saying we all sin naturally

2) I think each has different levels/extent of intellect, emotion and will, ... who can measure each?

3) Small cycles of getting better and worse, .. deteorating right now

Misspelled deteriorating, ... twice. I knew it didn't look right. Oh well.
 

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WV Cowboy;4586560 said:
1) Since I feel that we all have sinned, I am saying we all sin naturally

2) I think each has different levels/extent of intellect, emotion and will, ... who can measure each?

3) Small cycles of getting better and worse, .. deteorating right now

how are people deteriorating?
 

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Afigueroa22;4586588 said:
I believe we can measure our intellect as a whole by observing our media and technological advances. We have come far but we seem to be in a stasis, technologically speaking. Most use their abilities to profit. Rarely do we see inventions come out that help.

Even medicinally people look to profit from illness. Do you know why most medicines do not cure, but only relieve? They don't make enough money off of a one time cure. Repeat business is the key to profiting.

Green cars and electric cars have existed for quite some time now. Why are they barely being released it seems? Oil companies bought out these projects and scrapped them. Nevermind that it means less pollution for our Earth, we want money.

Bullflop!
 

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CanadianCowboysFan;4586604 said:
how are people deteriorating?

Not each person, society, ... people as a group.

The question addressed the human race.
 
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