I am congratulating Jerry

[DallasEast]

I said that to some of the younger engineers I worked with and they didn't know what I was talking about.

Guess they didn't see the 1998 movie remake of the show either. Young people. lol.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

In a way, Cleveland might be one of the few places where Manziel would be insulated as the team keeps a very low profile. The only reason this trip of his is news is well, people are bored.

Yep and I'm willing to bet that there are at least a couple hundred other NFL players hitting up Vegas and other party destinations across the country as well but no one cares about them so they're not being stalked by TMZ and the paparazzi. And there's definitely no ESPN "party tracker" or whatever that thing was called that ESPN had up the other day where they were tracking all of Manziel's destinations.

If the kids performs well I would not care one bit about all the media attention. As long as he's where he's supposed to be and not doing anything illegal.

Besides we're the Cowboys. There's always going to be a circus surrounding the Cowboys, especially with Jerry Jones running things. No other middle of the pack NFL team is covered nationally like the Cowboys. So with or without Manziel, the circus will always be in town when it comes to Dallas. Whether you like it or not.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Jerry was never taking Manziel anyway, the dumb GM just gave his aging quarterback a huge extension...so I fail to see what you're congratulating him for....

 

[Nation]

I hope the reason we passed on Manziel was for football reasons and not circus reasons.

 

[Alexander]

Yep and I'm willing to bet that there are at least a couple hundred other NFL players hitting up Vegas and other party destinations across the country as well but no one cares about them so they're not being stalked by TMZ and the paparazzi. And there's definitely no ESPN "party tracker" or whatever that thing was called that ESPN had up the other day where they were tracking all of Manziel's destinations.

To me, it is asinine when it is the offseason and there is nothing, literally, to judge whether or not Manziel "gets it". If he crashes and burns in a game after a weekend of drinking champagne from the back of an inflatable goose, beat him up then.

 

[jazzcat22]

Guess they didn't see the 1998 movie remake of the show either. Young people. lol.

I made a comment once about the remake of True Grit, when a few people were talking about it, after it first came out....someone said....that was an old movie before...I then asked if they ever heard of John Wayne...they paused, said, yes, then said they would look it up and watch the original too then...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I know, I know - I must be crazy. Despite his contradictory comments he has made about passing on Johnny Manziel, he DID the right thing by not drafting him.

Each day that passes (and another Johnny Football video surfaces - like recent one with him using stacks of cash as a phone), I am grateful that the circus is in Cleveland and not with the Cowboys. If he is a Cowboy and these same things occur, the coverage, scrutiny and distractions would be suffocating and unbearable.

Thanks Jerry!

I was torn. On one hand Manziel is a talent. On the other hand, the one with 6 fingers, I thought Manziel was a ticking timebomb.

Then the other day I saw a photo of him in a mini-camp and the guy next to him dwarfed him.
My concussion is this:

This kid will be thowing a lot of sidearm passes when them 6'-7" defensive linemen come at him. He will have to scamble and revert to Johnny "Won't Stay in the Pocket" and will become a interception king.

good job, Jerra, you resisted a grab for celebrity and flash and instead was more prudence and picked accordingly.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

I was torn. On one hand Manziel is a talent. On the other hand, the one with 6 fingers, I thought Manziel was a ticking timebomb.

Then the other day I saw a photo of him in a mini-camp and the guy next to him dwarfed him.
My concussion is this:

This kid will be thowing a lot of sidearm passes when them 6'-7" defensive linemen come at him. He will have to scamble and revert to Johnny "Won't Stay in the Pocket" and will become a interception king.

good job, Jerra, you resisted a grab for celebrity and flash and instead was more prudence and picked accordingly.

His size is the thing that always concerned me as well. Not necessarily his height but his weight.

Brees and Russell Wilson are successful QBs who are 6' and under but they are a little bulkier than Manziel. Plus neither of them run as much and when they do they know when to get down and avoid the hit.

My concern is that Manziel is a bit stubborn/cocky when he's running in the open field. Kind of like RGIII back in 2012. He doesn't want to slide and wants to prove how tough he is by putting his head down and fighting for a few extra yards.

I'm sure the Cleveland brass has talked to him extensively about this but young guys like him are usually head strong and don't listen until it's too late. Again....see RGIII. Washington coaches told him several times that he needed to get down or get out of bounds but he was so hardwired to fight for extra yardage that their advice never took until he got hurt. Two knee injuries later, now he gets it.

I can easily see the same thing happening to Manziel. I watched him play a lot and just like RGIII he'd rather lower his head than slide down. He got banged up a little playing that way in the SEC. Nothing serious but still. In the NFL we all know the players are bigger, faster stronger....but you also have to factor in all the extra practice sessions and extra preseason and regular season games.

It'll be interesting to see how long he holds up in year one. I suspect he'll put on 10 pounds or so going into next year.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Let's see how well Manziel performs on the field first before propping Jerry for passing on him.

I don't have a single issue with anything Manziel is doing.

He's done nothing illegal. All he's done is take a few vacation trips during his down time and posted a few pics of him having harmless fun on social media sites.

Big deal. He's 21 years old and enjoying himself.

Honestly I have less of a problem with all of Manziel's trips than I did with Romo and Witten's Cabo trip in 20907. At least Manziel has the common sense to party and relax during the offseason. Meanwhile, our two of our "leaders" were vacationing it up during the playoffs.

I agree. Only time will tell if it was the right decision. It 's easy to say so right now.

 

[khiladi]

I don't watch college football, but the fact we don't even call a bootleg, except every time their is a solar eclipse, is enough to quash the idea that he would be good for us. That is why I'm glad he wasn't drafted.

 

[khiladi]

Also thanks to Jerry for doing a great GM move, to sign Weeden, as Orton has been a no show.
Give credit where credit is due, though some won't claim this is a JJ move....

Please don't put Weeden and great in the same sentence...

 

[StevenOtero]

This team is enough of a circus w/out Johnny Fanziel.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

His size is the thing that always concerned me as well. Not necessarily his height but his weight.

Brees and Russell Wilson are successful QBs who are 6' and under but they are a little bulkier than Manziel. Plus neither of them run as much and when they do they know when to get down and avoid the hit.

My concern is that Manziel is a bit stubborn/cocky when he's running in the open field. Kind of like RGIII back in 2012. He doesn't want to slide and wants to prove how tough he is by putting his head down and fighting for a few extra yards.

I'm sure the Cleveland brass has talked to him extensively about this but young guys like him are usually head strong and don't listen until it's too late. Again....see RGIII. Washington coaches told him several times that he needed to get down or get out of bounds but he was so hardwired to fight for extra yardage that their advice never took until he got hurt. Two knee injuries later, now he gets it.

I can easily see the same thing happening to Manziel. I watched him play a lot and just like RGIII he'd rather lower his head than slide down. He got banged up a little playing that way in the SEC. Nothing serious but still. In the NFL we all know the players are bigger, faster stronger....but you also have to factor in all the extra practice sessions and extra preseason and regular season games.

It'll be interesting to see how long he holds up in year one. I suspect he'll put on 10 pounds or so going into next year.

Are you a scout?
That was an awfully good assessment.

Thx!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Please don't put Weeden and great in the same sentence...

or Romo and Super Bowl, or Romo and Manning/Brady etc.. . . . wait, that is another thread. nevermind.

 

[jnday]

Let's see how well Manziel performs on the field first before propping Jerry for passing on him.

I don't have a single issue with anything Manziel is doing.

He's done nothing illegal. All he's done is take a few vacation trips during his down time and posted a few pics of him having harmless fun on social media sites.

Big deal. He's 21 years old and enjoying himself.

Honestly I have less of a problem with all of Manziel's trips than I did with Romo and Witten's Cabo trip in 20907. At least Manziel has the common sense to party and relax during the offseason. Meanwhile, our two of our "leaders" were vacationing it up during the playoffs.

Exactly. If Romo doesn't come back from his surgeries or his career is shortened. The decision to pass on Manziel won't look so smart. Good point about the Cabo trip as well.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Are you a scout?
That was an awfully good assessment.

Thx!

LOL...I'm no scout.

I just based my assessment on general observations from watching Manziel in college.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'm just thrilled I don't have to root for that guy. It's similar (but not as egregious) to Roethlisberger: I'm free to hate him for being a rotten human being without the cognitive dissonance that would come with him being on the Cowboys.

Very True!

Having to root for Deion as a Cowboy is enough for one lifetime!

 

[jazzcat22]

Please don't put Weeden and great in the same sentence...

LOL
Wasn't my intention to have that analogy. I'll rephrase next time, if it comes up.

 

[joseephuss]

Exactly. If Romo doesn't come back from his surgeries or his career is shortened. The decision to pass on Manziel won't look so smart. Good point about the Cabo trip as well.

Even if Romo doesn't play another down passing on Manziel could still be the right decision. Manziel may not be a good QB. I'm betting he won't be.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Even if Romo doesn't play another down passing on Manziel could still be the right decision. Manziel may not be a good QB. I'm betting he won't be.

I was against drafting him as well. Mainly because I wanted us to go all in on upgrading the defense. Plus I was assuming Romo would be our guy for the next couple of years.

Next year I'd be perfectly fine going after a QB in the first round; provided the value is right.