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One cant help but think there may be some merit to all the haters saying that Jerry wants to keep a puppet around as head coach.

Phillips has not done enough to deserve a two or three year extension. He did however do enough to bring him back next year and prove himself again. However Jerry hands him an extension. Perhaps because of the type of coach Phillips is?

I dont know. I just know that I dont think Wade deserved a contract extension after this year. The option picked up sure. But not an extension. He got one, whether it was based on the team's performance or the amount of control and power Jerry Jones has.
 

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NextGenBoys;3248449 said:
One cant help but think there may be some merit to all the haters saying that Jerry wants to keep a puppet around as head coach.

Phillips has not done enough to deserve a two or three year extension. He did however do enough to bring him back next year and prove himself again. However Jerry hands him an extension. Perhaps because of the type of coach Phillips is?

I dont know. I just know that I dont think Wade deserved a contract extension after this year. The option picked up sure. But not an extension. He got one, whether it was based on the team's performance or the amount of control and power Jerry Jones has.

What is with all this puppet BS? Wade is no ones puppet

Look at guys Wade has pushed for to come to this team. Jerry does listen to his input and why not Wade has had success in the NFL as a coach.
 

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NextGenBoys;3248449 said:
Phillips has not done enough to deserve a two or three year extension. He did however do enough to bring him back next year and prove himself again. However Jerry hands him an extension.
I had no idea extensions were iron clad commitments that the coach keeps their job no matter what. Now that I know, I must share in your anger.
 

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NextGenBoys;3248449 said:
One cant help but think there may be some merit to all the haters saying that Jerry wants to keep a puppet around as head coach.

Phillips has not done enough to deserve a two or three year extension. He did however do enough to bring him back next year and prove himself again. However Jerry hands him an extension. Perhaps because of the type of coach Phillips is?

I dont know. I just know that I dont think Wade deserved a contract extension after this year. The option picked up sure. But not an extension. He got one, whether it was based on the team's performance or the amount of control and power Jerry Jones has.

I didn't want him back.But yet he is.I wouldn't worry about the contract.If Wade doesn't perform to Jerry's expectations he will be gone this time next year.

Craig
 

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Wade won his division 2 out of 3 years, getting into the playoffs both years. And he won a playoff game this year, which had not been done in a long time. His record over 3 years is 34-17 -- twice as many wins as losses.

In other words, yes, he did deserve an extension. You don't keep shuffling new head coaches (and coaching staffs) if you want the continuity in program that may keep you winning and in the playoffs. If you like the idea of trying to somehow wheel-and-deal and trade up, I suggest Pokemon cards and not NFL head coaches.
 

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Doomsday101;3248452 said:
What is with all this puppet BS? Wade is no ones puppet

Look at guys Wade has pushed for to come to this team. Jerry does listen to his input and why not Wade has had success in the NFL as a coach.

I dont believe for a second Jerry Jones treats Wade Phillips the same way he treated Bill Parcells.

Alexander;3248455 said:
I had no idea extensions were iron clad commitments that the coach keeps their job no matter what. Now that I know, I must share in your anger.

Yes, he can be fired at any time. But why hand him an extension if you think you may fire him? You're going to owe him that money.
 

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Alexander;3248455 said:
I had no idea extensions were iron clad commitments that the coach keeps their job no matter what. Now that I know, I must share in your anger.

Exactly. He can still be fired at any moment. Only difference is it will cost Jerry more money.
 

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Alexander;3248455 said:
I had no idea extensions were iron clad commitments that the coach keeps their job no matter what. Now that I know, I must share in your anger.

I agree. Jerry could have made it 5 years but if we fail this season to advance at the least to the NFC Championship game then it will not matter how long the deal is for. All it means is money out of Jerry pocket but no affect on caps or anything of that nature
 

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Wade got the option and a 1 year extension. He touched on this in the pc, that players tend to go their own way and do their own thing if the coach doesn't have that extra year. basically this was insurance against that. Jerry essentially picked up the option and if the Cowboys don't have a succesful 2010 he probably won't be back.

I've never been a Wade supporter but the guy has won me over. He's won the toughest division in football 2 out of 3 years, won 69% of his games, destroyed the hated Eagles twice in 6 days, helped win the franchise's 1st playoff game in 13 years, and the brightest point of the entire operation is likely the defense - his defense.

I have no idea if he can get that 6th World Championship, its not easy to win one, but I think at this point in time he's the right man for the job. I'm kinda excited to see what he can do in a 4th year, since he's never gotten that opportunity, I think, as a Head Coach.
 

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NextGenBoys;3248461 said:
I dont believe for a second Jerry Jones treats Wade Phillips the same way he treated Bill Parcells.



Yes, he can be fired at any time. But why hand him an extension if you think you may fire him? You're going to owe him that money.

You believe what you want, I do know by seeing coaches like DeCamillis and players such as Brooking, Sensabaugh as well as draft selections that Wade has the input to Jerry. I find funny Jerry brought TO to Dallas when BP was here so Jerry was not running scared of BP and I can promise you TO was never BP idea
 

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NextGenBoys;3248449 said:
One cant help but think there may be some merit to all the haters saying that Jerry wants to keep a puppet around as head coach.

Phillips has not done enough to deserve a two or three year extension. He did however do enough to bring him back next year and prove himself again. However Jerry hands him an extension. Perhaps because of the type of coach Phillips is?

I dont know. I just know that I dont think Wade deserved a contract extension after this year. The option picked up sure. But not an extension. He got one, whether it was based on the team's performance or the amount of control and power Jerry Jones has.

I heard somewhere that Jerry Jones is rolling the dice and really, really, really wants to make the Super Bowl in the year it is played at Cowboys Stadium (is that next year?) and he feels strongly that continuity is very important at this time for that reason. If this is what is going on then he probably feels that he will not only keep WP around to keep continuity but he now also wants to give him the confidence of a contract he has never given him to date. And tacking on extra years means little past the year of the Cowboys Stadium thing. He can eat those costs, if needed, after that by getting rid of WP then.
 

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Wade is not the master of the team or even close. he follows orders and has input that jerruh does seem to consider. Maybe not a puppet in the conventional sense but lets face it we ALL know who is BOSS.
 

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If Jerry does offer Wade an extension: "Well why did he deserve a three year extension? He hasn't fulfilled Jerry's or anybody's expectations?"

If Jerry does not offer Wade an extension: "Wade is basically a lame duck coach who is on the hotseat by the organization, owner, media and fans. This will be his last year."

It's a lose-lose situation. Everyone will find something negative to point out.
 

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I have never believed any of our coaches were puppets. I really don't believe it about Wade. I think there is a pretty good synergy happening and there are real chances for improvement and progress.

I say that and I am in no way one of Wade's biggest fans. I've been calling him Tommy Boy for 2 years on dcfanatic's radio show.

The players are behind him and good things are happening. One loss, no matter how bad it was, can make me stick my head in the sand and deny that. The guy deserved an extension and not having him appear to be a lame duck Head Coach is a good thing. It makes the entire team feel like they helped him earn it.

If he gets fired with years remaining on the contract the only person it hurts is Jerry. I don't know what kind of puppet master wants his own pain. I think instead he simply did what he felt was the right move for the team. I can't begrudge him that even as my guy sits and waits longer.
 

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NextGenBoys;3248461 said:
I dont believe for a second Jerry Jones treats Wade Phillips the same way he treated Bill Parcells.

Nor should he; they're two different people.
To act like there's some sort of singular iron clad way of treating different people is shallow and something Jerry seems to have learned doesn't accomplish anything.

Everyone likes to marginalize what Wade has accomplished here, with some pretty shifty word-play and convenient perspective. Ignoring progress and steps forward - glaring contrasts to what this team has been in the near past. Ambiguous excuses as to why there is success in one aspect, yet concrete definitions of why he'll remain a 'failure' in another.

For the first time in a long time a coach has brought the team to the top of the division and finally not just to the playoffs, but as favorites in the playoffs. The fact is, he's helped a team progress from perennial also-ran's to bona fide contender.

While some fans like to characterize their own inability to recognize these simple facts with pretensions of loftier expectations, they've simply ignored the reality that this team is a lot farther along than any Cowboy team has been in well over 10 years. That's not 'expecting more' it's ignoring reality.

Wade is doing fine and deserves a chance to build on the progress he's had a large hand in making.
 

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Alexander;3248455 said:
I had no idea extensions were iron clad commitments that the coach keeps their job no matter what. Now that I know, I must share in your anger.

Exactly, Jerry kept Wade from hanging by extending him 2 years. If the Boys regress next year or the year after, Jerry won't have a problem firing Wade. For all the anti-Wade haters on here, The Boys did improve this year under Wade, so as a owner you reward Wade for the teams improvement.
 

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NextGenBoys;3248461 said:
I dont believe for a second Jerry Jones treats Wade Phillips the same way he treated Bill Parcells.



Yes, he can be fired at any time. But why hand him an extension if you think you may fire him? You're going to owe him that money.

Because thats the way College and pro sports work in todays world. Doesn't make alot of sense, but how many players and coaches have you've seen reach a "settlement", or just fired and let go, cause that particular team no longer wants their services?
 

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NextGenBoys;3248461 said:
I dont believe for a second Jerry Jones treats Wade Phillips the same way he treated Bill Parcells.

I guess I would ask how one would know this. Jerry seems to have a great deal of respect for him.

Yes, he can be fired at any time. But why hand him an extension if you think you may fire him? You're going to owe him that money.

Maybe thats your answer, he knows he isnt going to fire him.
 

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Gadfly22;3248459 said:
Wade won his division 2 out of 3 years, getting into the playoffs both years. And he won a playoff game this year, which had not been done in a long time. His record over 3 years is 34-17 -- twice as many wins as losses.

In other words, yes, he did deserve an extension. You don't keep shuffling new head coaches (and coaching staffs) if you want the continuity in program that may keep you winning and in the playoffs. If you like the idea of trying to somehow wheel-and-deal and trade up, I suggest Pokemon cards and not NFL head coaches.

Oh yes, you really nailed it. Cuz when I think of success and trying to win Super Bowls, the first name that comes to mind is WADE PHILLIPS!
 

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To answer why give him an extension... Say we're recruiting a free agent and Wade is only on a one-year deal. Maybe the FA wonders if he should come here when the coaching staff might be fired next year.

That's just one example. Maybe we should ask Parcells why he thought lame duck coaches were a bad idea. ;)
 
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