I broke down first show of Hard Knocks last year, this is what I saw!

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Ok, I broke down the Dallas Cowboys and this is what I saw that needs to be corrected with a more serious approach to football and detail.

1. Jerry Jones in his first comment states that this is like playing on Broadway, this is wrong signal to send to these players, this isnt broadway with all the glitz and glamour. This is pro football, its a hard pro sport that must be taken seriously with heart and determination. (I did like where jerry jones says he wants to be here with the cowboys, since he could be anywhere else in the world that he wanted to be right then).

2. On several issues with Wade, first let me say that I feel he is a very good defensive coordinator and get that out of the way, I think we all agree with that. Now on to several things that I think Wade needs to correct. First wade, get over this happy family atmosphere and every thing is rosey. When wade talks about expectations, where media and fans expect the players to get where they should be etc.
I think we all agree that in 2007 this team was geared for the superbowl. Yet, Wade, pay attention, when you come out and say right off the bat, I DONT EXPECT ANYMORE OF YOU THEN WHAT YOU EXPECT OF YOURSELF! Right there wade, wrong message to send this team. Your suppose to see where this team needs to go, how you need to push these players to get them there and what buttons to motivate them. Some players want to be the best, but others you have to kick their you know what and stay on top of them to see that they do, but to come out and say, I dont expect anymore of you then what you expect of yourself, is totally stupid and wrong wade.

3. Then wade, your asking the offensive coordinator what does he have planned for the offensive game plan for that day. Jason Garrett replies something alone these lines, just usual basic stuff, stuff that the players know. Wrong Wade, you should have asked for detail and had a game plan or asked for one from jason garrett to hold him accountable to do the job right. You didnt do your job right. There is a comment, assumption is the mother of all you know what. Never assume someone is doing their jobs, You should haave asked for a game plan and details wade, right there you didnt do your job nor did jason garrett.

4. For 2 days there was talking of adam jones catching fair punts with catching 6 balls and holding them all at once, not dropping the balls. Then crayton tries first day to tie adam jones and fails, so crayton comes back second day and catches 6, this is highlighted on film. Even wade talks about it, catching one, then 2, then 3 etc. Wade, pay attention, everyone knows how awful the special teams were, especially on punt returns. Yet, you are letting the players play around fair catching punts, when you should have had them working on returning punts, not playing around wade, a sloppy way to run a training camp wade.

5. Fans and media are talking about getting the players to the super bowl for the dallas cowboys. You wade come in to a meeting and say, its premature and almost ridiculous to talk about superbowl. Right, there your sending a wrong message to the team wade. Even jimmy johnson was asking in offseason Jimmy what if you dont make the playoffs, after getting to chicago in playoffs last year. We will make the playoffs Jimmy Johnson said, with a stern look at the media wirter. Yet, you wade are laughing and joking with the players and not serious about having a focused team, ready to play and hit.

6. Now this to me, is the final straw that broke the camels back. Wade, what in the world is a no hitting policy? You come out and say wade, I am not going to overwork this team. You are going to be fresh and ready to go (yeah they were fresh as daisies wade, and they wilted after september. Yet, your team faltered after first 3 weeks into september didnt they wade. You come out and make a joke about the camp cupcake last year and then you say this year, its camp marshmellow. Even roy williams safety wasnt pleased with the no hitting policy. Pay attention wade, their isnt real good leaders on this team that will keep the players inline and make them toe the mark. You cant treat them like professionals, even tom landry and jimmy johnson said, you have to get a player to see where he can be, but you have to get him there. Landry said, you have to get a player to do the things he doesnt want to do, like working hard, studying extra film, running that extra mile. Just like jimmy johnson said, fatigue makes cowards of you.
Now pay attention wade, when terry bradshaw, jimmy johnson, howie long, bob lily, randy white, nate newton(players that alll have said, and played the game, heck even michael irvin said his camp that he has for the 6 wrs and 6 dbs to get one player to make the cowboys 80 man roster) , all say this is a sloppy team, and this team wasnt ready for pro football hitting. When michael irwin says his camp will be alot tougher than your softeee camp and his players when they come to your camp, it will be a cakewalk for them, then your not doing your job wade. The players were in physical shape but not hitting pro football style shape, even the great bob lily said that. You cant do that wade when you have the players running around in shorts the first 25 days of training camp and you dont allow no hitting.

7. Then you have a player like tank johnson come out and say, this team had 13 pro bowlers and this team should have 5 more pro bowlers on top of that, right there is the wrong attitude. You dont become pro bowlers by running around in shorts first 25 days and just talking. Takes hard work, sweat, tears and blood,. Heck even the great randy white said one time a group of players came to him and got him to tell coach landry that he was working the team to hard. After white got through telling Coach Landry, Landry asked white if that was all, randy said yes. What did Coach Landry do then, he realized that evidently that camp wasnt hard enough, so he picked up the pace and worked the players harder the next day. Even Ken Norton who won 3 super bowls that I know of for sure, maybe 4, said, heck, game time was a piece of cake to the players because training camp was harder than the games, that even practice during the week was more physical than game time and the players were ready for every situation, but that Coach Jimmy Johnson got his players battle tested by working them in training camp. Even jay novachek said that coach johnson probably beat up the players more than he should have, but how many did those cowboys win super bowls in the 90's wade? 3! How many playoff games have you won wade? There has to be a reason why your not winning in the playoffs wade, think about it.

Ok, im off my soap box now, and i have spoke my peace. Now, lets see what wade will do.
 

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It's easy to make this thread now that we know how the season ended.
 

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I watched one of those the other day.

It really makes you question why we cut Owens because his teammates loved him.
 

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Achozen;2761903 said:
It's easy to make this thread now that we know how the season ended.

main reason why i posted this, i wanted to see what wade had in plans for changes. So, I broke down film of the first hard knocks show, what was said, how it was said and why. Then I posted what I thought needed to be changed.
 

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Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to break down all the film that was actually taken rather than the heavily edited, and carefully put together, film that they showed on TV to create the ratings, drama, and situations they wanted?

Taking anything, positive or negative, from that show wouldn't be very beneficial to you. You didn't see all of any of those moments, situations, practices, days, anything. It's too heavily edited, and edited in the way the people from the show want it to come across, for anyone to make a really accurate account of what was going on.
 

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cowboyjoe;2761914 said:
main reason why i posted this, i wanted to see what wade had in plans for changes. So, I broke down film of the first hard knocks show, what was said, how it was said and why. Then I posted what I thought needed to be changed.

Wade is destined for failure because no matter what he teaches these guys they will find the craziest ways on earth to lose a football game.

Bill couldn't break them and if he can't do it than Wade has no shot.

We are a very good and exciting team but we cant get out of our own way and I don't think its something any coach can fix but lucky for the players thats who will get the blame.
 

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CATCH17;2761904 said:
I watched one of those the other day.

It really makes you question why we cut Owens because his teammates loved him.

Because of the media obsession with him. He's a distraction without even doing anything.

That and we had to cater to him. In doing so it hurt our team.
 

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CATCH17;2761904 said:
I watched one of those the other day.

It really makes you question why we cut Owens because his teammates loved him.

Some team mates loved him.....and that is part of why he had to go...but congrats on turning this into a T.O. thread
 

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BraveHeartFan;2761922 said:
Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to break down all the film that was actually taken rather than the heavily edited, and carefully put together, film that they showed on TV to create the ratings, drama, and situations they wanted?

Taking anything, positive or negative, from that show wouldn't be very beneficial to you. You didn't see all of any of those moments, situations, practices, days, anything. It's too heavily edited, and edited in the way the people from the show want it to come across, for anyone to make a really accurate account of what was going on.

i understand what your saying braveheart, but your missing my point
the attitude that wade is talking, even when he says i dont expect anymore of you than you do yourselves. Thats wrong. As a head coach, you have to see a player, how he reacts, what he could become. Just like Rayfield Wright, landry called him into this office and told him, im going to move you to OT.

Remember the RB Todd Christensen. Landry called him into his office after first year i think andtold him he wanted to move him to TE. Todd refused, so later after being cut, best i remember Todd Christensen goes to raiders and becomes a great TE. Even Everson Walls and Drew Pearson, they worked hard after Landry kept them in shape and showed them some things, and the rest is history. Its the head coaches job to see what buttons to push for each individual player, not all players are going to want to run the mile, but you make them.

Yet, when you come out and say, i only expect what you expect of yourselves, your setting yourself and your team up for failure. Just like on punt fair catching, they showed film on that for 2 days with crayton and adam jones. Do you remember braveheart punt returns, remember the blocking adam jones got in punt returns it wasnt there.

Remember Folk saying in one game that he had been practicing kicking another technique but not awhole lot, so he decided on his own to kick the ball, where he wasnt suppose too. Jimmy Johnson teams werent run that way, you knew what to do, when and how, it wasnt run sloppy like it was last year. Remember the play mcbrair got hurt, did you know braveheart that the special teams coach put burnett at a position he didnt play before, while doing that he moved 2 other players best i remember, not totally sure about the other 2 players but i do know that burnett was moved to a position he wasnt familar with.

Do you remember braveheart when wade said we got out coached in defense, offense, special teams and coaching? More than one game. Thats sloppy football, thats my point braveheart.
 

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dadymat;2761930 said:
Some team mates loved him.....and that is part of why he had to go...but congrats on turning this into a T.O. thread

Thanks! Wooooooooo!

Do I get a trophy?

First I wanna thank Cowboyjoe... Without him this thread wouldn't have been possible.

I also want to thank HBO for welcoming the Cowboys on hardknocks.

Thanks to TO and his teammates for acting like he was a good leader.

I also want to give a shout out to mom and pops. I love you! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
 

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Wade is destined for failure because no matter what he teaches these guys they will find the craziest ways on earth to lose a football game.

Bill couldn't break them and if he can't do it than Wade has no shot.

I've said on more than one occasion after that debacle in Philadelphia I would have fired Wade then and there. He is not the guy to lead them to the next level. Jerry is gonna eat those words about continuity.
 

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CATCH17;2761904 said:
I watched one of those the other day.

It really makes you question why we cut Owens because his teammates loved him.

:rolleyes: Man, you really are a thread killer huh? lol
 

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dadymat;2761930 said:
Some team mates loved him.....and that is part of why he had to go...but congrats on turning this into a T.O. thread

Yeah, Brad Johnson and Bobby Carpenter couldn't stand him. Thats saying something.

He was a mentor for a lot of young guys on our team, Choice in particular.

With all that said it was time for him to go, and I defended him until the bitter end.
 

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cowboyjoe;2761914 said:
main reason why i posted this, i wanted to see what wade had in plans for changes. So, I broke down film of the first hard knocks show, what was said, how it was said and why. Then I posted what I thought needed to be changed.

Joe, I do appriciate your contributions to the forum, but i had to laugh when I saw the bolded statement. I can just imagine you sitting there in the dark, rolling Hard Knocks on the projector, pointing writng down Wade and jerry's statements! :rolleyes:
 

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I tuned in the other day and watched it, alot of stuff was the exact opposite from what happened during the season.
 

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Cowboy Joe, I for one liked this post and hope this team works hard,stays focused and executes this coming season.
Along with Kicking butt !
 

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We don't forget that now all of the true "problem" players are now off the team. We have replaced them either with unproven, hungry rookies or FA's that have worked with Wade in the past. If a team is hungry, they will fight, scrap and claw to win a football game at all costs. That is why I don't understand some of the fans' opinions that this draft was crap. Look at the impacts that Jones, Jenkins, Choice and Scandrick had, as well as Bennett. They all felt as though they had to prove themselves, and they were quite successful in their playing time last year.
 

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cowboyjoe;2761935 said:
i understand what your saying braveheart, but your missing my point
the attitude that wade is talking, even when he says i dont expect anymore of you than you do yourselves. Thats wrong. As a head coach, you have to see a player, how he reacts, what he could become. Just like Rayfield Wright, landry called him into this office and told him, im going to move you to OT.

Remember the RB Todd Christensen. Landry called him into his office after first year i think andtold him he wanted to move him to TE. Todd refused, so later after being cut, best i remember Todd Christensen goes to raiders and becomes a great TE. Even Everson Walls and Drew Pearson, they worked hard after Landry kept them in shape and showed them some things, and the rest is history. Its the head coaches job to see what buttons to push for each individual player, not all players are going to want to run the mile, but you make them.

Yet, when you come out and say, i only expect what you expect of yourselves, your setting yourself and your team up for failure. Just like on punt fair catching, they showed film on that for 2 days with crayton and adam jones. Do you remember braveheart punt returns, remember the blocking adam jones got in punt returns it wasnt there.

Remember Folk saying in one game that he had been practicing kicking another technique but not awhole lot, so he decided on his own to kick the ball, where he wasnt suppose too. Jimmy Johnson teams werent run that way, you knew what to do, when and how, it wasnt run sloppy like it was last year. Remember the play mcbrair got hurt, did you know braveheart that the special teams coach put burnett at a position he didnt play before, while doing that he moved 2 other players best i remember, not totally sure about the other 2 players but i do know that burnett was moved to a position he wasnt familar with.

Do you remember braveheart when wade said we got out coached in defense, offense, special teams and coaching? More than one game. Thats sloppy football, thats my point braveheart.

I do understand not liking his stance there. I can see where the bugs people because you then know he's not pushing them to be better than what they are. I just think it's really hard to get much more than something like that out of Hard Knocks because it's just too chopped up and such.
 
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